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ParticipantBill there is nothing that I have lied about. Nor has there been anything that I am hypocritical about. Yes the majority of the bailout money is going to the banks and Wall St. I know that, I have posted about it all the time. It is pathetic and is yet another display about how Wall St is in the hip pocket of the govt. Yet there are people who have been bailed out and had loan modifications. Those modifications in most cases will only further bury those people in debt. They are idiots for taking the mods. The only one making money off of them is the lender.
Yes you could have mailed in your keys and perhaps the property would sit empty. However you would be living in an apartment paying rent and obviously that is an inconvenience for you. Yes you are taking advantage of your situation. Every day people pick and choose on what loans they will repay and what loans they will not. It doesn’t matter if it is a credit card, a car payment, or a home. Some people have true hardship and cannot pay, and some don’t. I think people who walk on loans for pure business decisions do so for good reasons. Those who walk away from the asset or short sell or give it back, I get that and applaud them for showing some integrity in the wake of a purchase they should not have made. You chose to pay most bills and walked on your home and brag about what a great rockstar life you lead while you still live there. There is no shame in your tone, nor remorse or regret, just proud banter about the life you lead. Oh and anger and vitriol for being called a deadbeat. Fantastic and good for you, like I said… Tell your kids and family and friends about it. I am sure you are the envy of them all. They all probably say wow I wish I could be like Bill. Yet you are still a deadbeat in my eyes. Kind like my 5 year old… he takes advantage of situations until he is taken care of by his parents. You will take advantage until the bank kicks you out. You could short sell, you could mail in the keys, you could go rent but you don’t because it is advantageous for you. Wow you are keeping the neighborhood up by watering the lawn. Kudos, in your eyes your a saint. In mine you are a deadbeat, but a deadbeat with a nice lawn.
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ParticipantBill there is nothing that I have lied about. Nor has there been anything that I am hypocritical about. Yes the majority of the bailout money is going to the banks and Wall St. I know that, I have posted about it all the time. It is pathetic and is yet another display about how Wall St is in the hip pocket of the govt. Yet there are people who have been bailed out and had loan modifications. Those modifications in most cases will only further bury those people in debt. They are idiots for taking the mods. The only one making money off of them is the lender.
Yes you could have mailed in your keys and perhaps the property would sit empty. However you would be living in an apartment paying rent and obviously that is an inconvenience for you. Yes you are taking advantage of your situation. Every day people pick and choose on what loans they will repay and what loans they will not. It doesn’t matter if it is a credit card, a car payment, or a home. Some people have true hardship and cannot pay, and some don’t. I think people who walk on loans for pure business decisions do so for good reasons. Those who walk away from the asset or short sell or give it back, I get that and applaud them for showing some integrity in the wake of a purchase they should not have made. You chose to pay most bills and walked on your home and brag about what a great rockstar life you lead while you still live there. There is no shame in your tone, nor remorse or regret, just proud banter about the life you lead. Oh and anger and vitriol for being called a deadbeat. Fantastic and good for you, like I said… Tell your kids and family and friends about it. I am sure you are the envy of them all. They all probably say wow I wish I could be like Bill. Yet you are still a deadbeat in my eyes. Kind like my 5 year old… he takes advantage of situations until he is taken care of by his parents. You will take advantage until the bank kicks you out. You could short sell, you could mail in the keys, you could go rent but you don’t because it is advantageous for you. Wow you are keeping the neighborhood up by watering the lawn. Kudos, in your eyes your a saint. In mine you are a deadbeat, but a deadbeat with a nice lawn.
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ParticipantBill there is nothing that I have lied about. Nor has there been anything that I am hypocritical about. Yes the majority of the bailout money is going to the banks and Wall St. I know that, I have posted about it all the time. It is pathetic and is yet another display about how Wall St is in the hip pocket of the govt. Yet there are people who have been bailed out and had loan modifications. Those modifications in most cases will only further bury those people in debt. They are idiots for taking the mods. The only one making money off of them is the lender.
Yes you could have mailed in your keys and perhaps the property would sit empty. However you would be living in an apartment paying rent and obviously that is an inconvenience for you. Yes you are taking advantage of your situation. Every day people pick and choose on what loans they will repay and what loans they will not. It doesn’t matter if it is a credit card, a car payment, or a home. Some people have true hardship and cannot pay, and some don’t. I think people who walk on loans for pure business decisions do so for good reasons. Those who walk away from the asset or short sell or give it back, I get that and applaud them for showing some integrity in the wake of a purchase they should not have made. You chose to pay most bills and walked on your home and brag about what a great rockstar life you lead while you still live there. There is no shame in your tone, nor remorse or regret, just proud banter about the life you lead. Oh and anger and vitriol for being called a deadbeat. Fantastic and good for you, like I said… Tell your kids and family and friends about it. I am sure you are the envy of them all. They all probably say wow I wish I could be like Bill. Yet you are still a deadbeat in my eyes. Kind like my 5 year old… he takes advantage of situations until he is taken care of by his parents. You will take advantage until the bank kicks you out. You could short sell, you could mail in the keys, you could go rent but you don’t because it is advantageous for you. Wow you are keeping the neighborhood up by watering the lawn. Kudos, in your eyes your a saint. In mine you are a deadbeat, but a deadbeat with a nice lawn.
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Participantanother telling stat is the expireds and cancelleds compared to the number of closings…
ouch.
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Participantanother telling stat is the expireds and cancelleds compared to the number of closings…
ouch.
SD Realtor
Participantanother telling stat is the expireds and cancelleds compared to the number of closings…
ouch.
SD Realtor
Participantanother telling stat is the expireds and cancelleds compared to the number of closings…
ouch.
SD Realtor
Participantanother telling stat is the expireds and cancelleds compared to the number of closings…
ouch.
SD Realtor
ParticipantBrian hard work is all relative. However the rate of wages is not determined by me or you, it is determined by the free market. If someone wants to mone coal for a living then that is their choice. If I want to write code or sell homes it is my choice as well and it is hard work. So are all professions but don’t penalize me because I choose to work harder and make more money, regardless of the profession. The bottom line is that I have a simple disagreement about a flat tax. Funny how you all like to make light of those who don’t agree with the enacted polices or namecall those who disagree with moore taxes to enable more spending. Putting a label on a flat tax is fine at it but there is not anything “unfair” about it at all. In fact many of the emerging countries in eastern europe have embraced it.
Honestly it seems to me that there is this inherent mindset out there of those that are successful must carry the burden for those who are not. Thus, they MUST pay a higher tax rate because they make more money. Honestly that is such a jaded outlook that it is laughable. Now without a doubt, even you could see that an ALTERNATE solution can exist where everyone does indeed pay the same rate without loopholes. In fact this solution could exist and in some countries DOES exist. However because of the “debt to society” that some people think is a necessary burden to wealthy people, a flat tax is roundly criticized as being unfair.
The fact of the matter is that is very fair. Unfortuntely it just rubs people the wrong way because they think that those that are successful should pay more. Maybe because of jealousy or envy or personal regret. I am mad as hell that I wasn’t born into wealth but I cannot see how that justifies that a wealthy family should have higher tax rate then my family.
The “fairness” that is “created” by taxing the wealthy is this sort of utopia that to me is a sham. Furthermore that fairness only is relegated to the USA. Because if those people were really honest to themselves, that “debt to society” should be extended worldwide correct? We in the USA are a hell of alot luckier then most of the world population right? A kid who is in Detroit in the projects is luckier then the kid in a camp in Darfur right? So shouldn’t that kid in Detroit have to pay a little bit?
See the “debt to society” argument for wealthier people to pay more is limited in the conversation because to make it abstract shows how unfair it can really be. The reality of the world is just not like that. In fact the wealthy will always be wealthy and the govt will ALWAYS side with the wealthy. If there was a flat tax with no loopholes at least there would actually be some fairness.
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ParticipantBrian hard work is all relative. However the rate of wages is not determined by me or you, it is determined by the free market. If someone wants to mone coal for a living then that is their choice. If I want to write code or sell homes it is my choice as well and it is hard work. So are all professions but don’t penalize me because I choose to work harder and make more money, regardless of the profession. The bottom line is that I have a simple disagreement about a flat tax. Funny how you all like to make light of those who don’t agree with the enacted polices or namecall those who disagree with moore taxes to enable more spending. Putting a label on a flat tax is fine at it but there is not anything “unfair” about it at all. In fact many of the emerging countries in eastern europe have embraced it.
Honestly it seems to me that there is this inherent mindset out there of those that are successful must carry the burden for those who are not. Thus, they MUST pay a higher tax rate because they make more money. Honestly that is such a jaded outlook that it is laughable. Now without a doubt, even you could see that an ALTERNATE solution can exist where everyone does indeed pay the same rate without loopholes. In fact this solution could exist and in some countries DOES exist. However because of the “debt to society” that some people think is a necessary burden to wealthy people, a flat tax is roundly criticized as being unfair.
The fact of the matter is that is very fair. Unfortuntely it just rubs people the wrong way because they think that those that are successful should pay more. Maybe because of jealousy or envy or personal regret. I am mad as hell that I wasn’t born into wealth but I cannot see how that justifies that a wealthy family should have higher tax rate then my family.
The “fairness” that is “created” by taxing the wealthy is this sort of utopia that to me is a sham. Furthermore that fairness only is relegated to the USA. Because if those people were really honest to themselves, that “debt to society” should be extended worldwide correct? We in the USA are a hell of alot luckier then most of the world population right? A kid who is in Detroit in the projects is luckier then the kid in a camp in Darfur right? So shouldn’t that kid in Detroit have to pay a little bit?
See the “debt to society” argument for wealthier people to pay more is limited in the conversation because to make it abstract shows how unfair it can really be. The reality of the world is just not like that. In fact the wealthy will always be wealthy and the govt will ALWAYS side with the wealthy. If there was a flat tax with no loopholes at least there would actually be some fairness.
SD Realtor
ParticipantBrian hard work is all relative. However the rate of wages is not determined by me or you, it is determined by the free market. If someone wants to mone coal for a living then that is their choice. If I want to write code or sell homes it is my choice as well and it is hard work. So are all professions but don’t penalize me because I choose to work harder and make more money, regardless of the profession. The bottom line is that I have a simple disagreement about a flat tax. Funny how you all like to make light of those who don’t agree with the enacted polices or namecall those who disagree with moore taxes to enable more spending. Putting a label on a flat tax is fine at it but there is not anything “unfair” about it at all. In fact many of the emerging countries in eastern europe have embraced it.
Honestly it seems to me that there is this inherent mindset out there of those that are successful must carry the burden for those who are not. Thus, they MUST pay a higher tax rate because they make more money. Honestly that is such a jaded outlook that it is laughable. Now without a doubt, even you could see that an ALTERNATE solution can exist where everyone does indeed pay the same rate without loopholes. In fact this solution could exist and in some countries DOES exist. However because of the “debt to society” that some people think is a necessary burden to wealthy people, a flat tax is roundly criticized as being unfair.
The fact of the matter is that is very fair. Unfortuntely it just rubs people the wrong way because they think that those that are successful should pay more. Maybe because of jealousy or envy or personal regret. I am mad as hell that I wasn’t born into wealth but I cannot see how that justifies that a wealthy family should have higher tax rate then my family.
The “fairness” that is “created” by taxing the wealthy is this sort of utopia that to me is a sham. Furthermore that fairness only is relegated to the USA. Because if those people were really honest to themselves, that “debt to society” should be extended worldwide correct? We in the USA are a hell of alot luckier then most of the world population right? A kid who is in Detroit in the projects is luckier then the kid in a camp in Darfur right? So shouldn’t that kid in Detroit have to pay a little bit?
See the “debt to society” argument for wealthier people to pay more is limited in the conversation because to make it abstract shows how unfair it can really be. The reality of the world is just not like that. In fact the wealthy will always be wealthy and the govt will ALWAYS side with the wealthy. If there was a flat tax with no loopholes at least there would actually be some fairness.
SD Realtor
ParticipantBrian hard work is all relative. However the rate of wages is not determined by me or you, it is determined by the free market. If someone wants to mone coal for a living then that is their choice. If I want to write code or sell homes it is my choice as well and it is hard work. So are all professions but don’t penalize me because I choose to work harder and make more money, regardless of the profession. The bottom line is that I have a simple disagreement about a flat tax. Funny how you all like to make light of those who don’t agree with the enacted polices or namecall those who disagree with moore taxes to enable more spending. Putting a label on a flat tax is fine at it but there is not anything “unfair” about it at all. In fact many of the emerging countries in eastern europe have embraced it.
Honestly it seems to me that there is this inherent mindset out there of those that are successful must carry the burden for those who are not. Thus, they MUST pay a higher tax rate because they make more money. Honestly that is such a jaded outlook that it is laughable. Now without a doubt, even you could see that an ALTERNATE solution can exist where everyone does indeed pay the same rate without loopholes. In fact this solution could exist and in some countries DOES exist. However because of the “debt to society” that some people think is a necessary burden to wealthy people, a flat tax is roundly criticized as being unfair.
The fact of the matter is that is very fair. Unfortuntely it just rubs people the wrong way because they think that those that are successful should pay more. Maybe because of jealousy or envy or personal regret. I am mad as hell that I wasn’t born into wealth but I cannot see how that justifies that a wealthy family should have higher tax rate then my family.
The “fairness” that is “created” by taxing the wealthy is this sort of utopia that to me is a sham. Furthermore that fairness only is relegated to the USA. Because if those people were really honest to themselves, that “debt to society” should be extended worldwide correct? We in the USA are a hell of alot luckier then most of the world population right? A kid who is in Detroit in the projects is luckier then the kid in a camp in Darfur right? So shouldn’t that kid in Detroit have to pay a little bit?
See the “debt to society” argument for wealthier people to pay more is limited in the conversation because to make it abstract shows how unfair it can really be. The reality of the world is just not like that. In fact the wealthy will always be wealthy and the govt will ALWAYS side with the wealthy. If there was a flat tax with no loopholes at least there would actually be some fairness.
SD Realtor
ParticipantBrian hard work is all relative. However the rate of wages is not determined by me or you, it is determined by the free market. If someone wants to mone coal for a living then that is their choice. If I want to write code or sell homes it is my choice as well and it is hard work. So are all professions but don’t penalize me because I choose to work harder and make more money, regardless of the profession. The bottom line is that I have a simple disagreement about a flat tax. Funny how you all like to make light of those who don’t agree with the enacted polices or namecall those who disagree with moore taxes to enable more spending. Putting a label on a flat tax is fine at it but there is not anything “unfair” about it at all. In fact many of the emerging countries in eastern europe have embraced it.
Honestly it seems to me that there is this inherent mindset out there of those that are successful must carry the burden for those who are not. Thus, they MUST pay a higher tax rate because they make more money. Honestly that is such a jaded outlook that it is laughable. Now without a doubt, even you could see that an ALTERNATE solution can exist where everyone does indeed pay the same rate without loopholes. In fact this solution could exist and in some countries DOES exist. However because of the “debt to society” that some people think is a necessary burden to wealthy people, a flat tax is roundly criticized as being unfair.
The fact of the matter is that is very fair. Unfortuntely it just rubs people the wrong way because they think that those that are successful should pay more. Maybe because of jealousy or envy or personal regret. I am mad as hell that I wasn’t born into wealth but I cannot see how that justifies that a wealthy family should have higher tax rate then my family.
The “fairness” that is “created” by taxing the wealthy is this sort of utopia that to me is a sham. Furthermore that fairness only is relegated to the USA. Because if those people were really honest to themselves, that “debt to society” should be extended worldwide correct? We in the USA are a hell of alot luckier then most of the world population right? A kid who is in Detroit in the projects is luckier then the kid in a camp in Darfur right? So shouldn’t that kid in Detroit have to pay a little bit?
See the “debt to society” argument for wealthier people to pay more is limited in the conversation because to make it abstract shows how unfair it can really be. The reality of the world is just not like that. In fact the wealthy will always be wealthy and the govt will ALWAYS side with the wealthy. If there was a flat tax with no loopholes at least there would actually be some fairness.
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ParticipantFunny about that Concho as several clients I have who have Canadian relatives, and even some of my own family in Canada came to the USA for medical procedures due to the length of time they had to wait for their own system to get them the procedure.
Again, it is sad to read postings where people do not even have fundamental knowledge about the source of where the tax money goes. Confusing sales tax with a VAT is a sad commentary. Most people have no clue about other taxes they pay, for example when the go pump gas at the pump. To hear people thing other taxes will go away when a VAT is implemented is crazy.
Once a tax is in place it doesn’t just go away.
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CAR I don’t buy into the only poor people have multiple jobs. I am a walking example of multiple jobs. For over 8 years I had my engineering job and my real estate business. I paid a higher tax rate because I made more money then if I had only one job. I also worked WAY more hours then someone who would have only had 1 of those jobs. With that money I made investments to make more money and get taxed at an even higher rate.
Anyways to me, a flat tax with NO loopholes makes a heck of alot of sense. Penalizing someone for busting ass and working hard makes no sense to me.
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