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For some reason I thought the PB plumbing was introduced in mid 70s.

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[quote=AN]It’s all shades of gray. You can’t logically be pissed w/one scenario w/out being pissed about the other. You gals are just trying to justify low balling AND going straight to the LA to sneak in on the deal. We all know shady agents will push for the offer their representing over other offers, since they can get commissions on both ends. Greed is just human nature. Why would a LA push for other offers instead of the one they’re representing?

Let me ask you one question, if you happen to know the LA and the LA told you that they have a SS that you’d love. They offer to put your offer in at 30% below list price (20-25% below market price) and put the property in contingent state right away. Would you jump on the deal or would your moral stop you from jumping on the deal?[/quote]
Sorry AN, but this is the housing market we are talking about. the example you mentioned – you are refering at a property that would become contingent practically the moment it hits the MLS, correct? If that’s the case, yes, I think it’s unethical of the LA. But in a short sale, how does he know if the bank would approve such a lowball offer, anyway? I will not get in such a deal, because that’s sleazy.

If the property has been on the market for some days, well, I think there is nothing unfair about going with the LA. For all I know, for the same property multiple buyers will go with the LA evening out the play field. So, in that case I’d jump on it. The offers are submitted as time goes on, not by a certain deadline – in most cases. So if the sellers are worried they won’t get what they want they may want to accept the first reasonably low offer they get. So why shouldn’t it be mine? Nothing unfair about it. It’s all about timing. If I had submitted the same lowball offer in day 1, I would have been turned down.

Side note:
Where were the morals of buyers when they ran up the price during the bubble? I lost on a few houses then because of the bidding wars who gives more above the LP. If that wasn’t immoral…. It’s a dirty game and you have to be willing to play dirty, if you have the opportunity.

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[quote=AN]It’s all shades of gray. You can’t logically be pissed w/one scenario w/out being pissed about the other. You gals are just trying to justify low balling AND going straight to the LA to sneak in on the deal. We all know shady agents will push for the offer their representing over other offers, since they can get commissions on both ends. Greed is just human nature. Why would a LA push for other offers instead of the one they’re representing?

Let me ask you one question, if you happen to know the LA and the LA told you that they have a SS that you’d love. They offer to put your offer in at 30% below list price (20-25% below market price) and put the property in contingent state right away. Would you jump on the deal or would your moral stop you from jumping on the deal?[/quote]
Sorry AN, but this is the housing market we are talking about. the example you mentioned – you are refering at a property that would become contingent practically the moment it hits the MLS, correct? If that’s the case, yes, I think it’s unethical of the LA. But in a short sale, how does he know if the bank would approve such a lowball offer, anyway? I will not get in such a deal, because that’s sleazy.

If the property has been on the market for some days, well, I think there is nothing unfair about going with the LA. For all I know, for the same property multiple buyers will go with the LA evening out the play field. So, in that case I’d jump on it. The offers are submitted as time goes on, not by a certain deadline – in most cases. So if the sellers are worried they won’t get what they want they may want to accept the first reasonably low offer they get. So why shouldn’t it be mine? Nothing unfair about it. It’s all about timing. If I had submitted the same lowball offer in day 1, I would have been turned down.

Side note:
Where were the morals of buyers when they ran up the price during the bubble? I lost on a few houses then because of the bidding wars who gives more above the LP. If that wasn’t immoral…. It’s a dirty game and you have to be willing to play dirty, if you have the opportunity.

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[quote=AN]It’s all shades of gray. You can’t logically be pissed w/one scenario w/out being pissed about the other. You gals are just trying to justify low balling AND going straight to the LA to sneak in on the deal. We all know shady agents will push for the offer their representing over other offers, since they can get commissions on both ends. Greed is just human nature. Why would a LA push for other offers instead of the one they’re representing?

Let me ask you one question, if you happen to know the LA and the LA told you that they have a SS that you’d love. They offer to put your offer in at 30% below list price (20-25% below market price) and put the property in contingent state right away. Would you jump on the deal or would your moral stop you from jumping on the deal?[/quote]
Sorry AN, but this is the housing market we are talking about. the example you mentioned – you are refering at a property that would become contingent practically the moment it hits the MLS, correct? If that’s the case, yes, I think it’s unethical of the LA. But in a short sale, how does he know if the bank would approve such a lowball offer, anyway? I will not get in such a deal, because that’s sleazy.

If the property has been on the market for some days, well, I think there is nothing unfair about going with the LA. For all I know, for the same property multiple buyers will go with the LA evening out the play field. So, in that case I’d jump on it. The offers are submitted as time goes on, not by a certain deadline – in most cases. So if the sellers are worried they won’t get what they want they may want to accept the first reasonably low offer they get. So why shouldn’t it be mine? Nothing unfair about it. It’s all about timing. If I had submitted the same lowball offer in day 1, I would have been turned down.

Side note:
Where were the morals of buyers when they ran up the price during the bubble? I lost on a few houses then because of the bidding wars who gives more above the LP. If that wasn’t immoral…. It’s a dirty game and you have to be willing to play dirty, if you have the opportunity.

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[quote=AN]It’s all shades of gray. You can’t logically be pissed w/one scenario w/out being pissed about the other. You gals are just trying to justify low balling AND going straight to the LA to sneak in on the deal. We all know shady agents will push for the offer their representing over other offers, since they can get commissions on both ends. Greed is just human nature. Why would a LA push for other offers instead of the one they’re representing?

Let me ask you one question, if you happen to know the LA and the LA told you that they have a SS that you’d love. They offer to put your offer in at 30% below list price (20-25% below market price) and put the property in contingent state right away. Would you jump on the deal or would your moral stop you from jumping on the deal?[/quote]
Sorry AN, but this is the housing market we are talking about. the example you mentioned – you are refering at a property that would become contingent practically the moment it hits the MLS, correct? If that’s the case, yes, I think it’s unethical of the LA. But in a short sale, how does he know if the bank would approve such a lowball offer, anyway? I will not get in such a deal, because that’s sleazy.

If the property has been on the market for some days, well, I think there is nothing unfair about going with the LA. For all I know, for the same property multiple buyers will go with the LA evening out the play field. So, in that case I’d jump on it. The offers are submitted as time goes on, not by a certain deadline – in most cases. So if the sellers are worried they won’t get what they want they may want to accept the first reasonably low offer they get. So why shouldn’t it be mine? Nothing unfair about it. It’s all about timing. If I had submitted the same lowball offer in day 1, I would have been turned down.

Side note:
Where were the morals of buyers when they ran up the price during the bubble? I lost on a few houses then because of the bidding wars who gives more above the LP. If that wasn’t immoral…. It’s a dirty game and you have to be willing to play dirty, if you have the opportunity.

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[quote=AN]It’s all shades of gray. You can’t logically be pissed w/one scenario w/out being pissed about the other. You gals are just trying to justify low balling AND going straight to the LA to sneak in on the deal. We all know shady agents will push for the offer their representing over other offers, since they can get commissions on both ends. Greed is just human nature. Why would a LA push for other offers instead of the one they’re representing?

Let me ask you one question, if you happen to know the LA and the LA told you that they have a SS that you’d love. They offer to put your offer in at 30% below list price (20-25% below market price) and put the property in contingent state right away. Would you jump on the deal or would your moral stop you from jumping on the deal?[/quote]
Sorry AN, but this is the housing market we are talking about. the example you mentioned – you are refering at a property that would become contingent practically the moment it hits the MLS, correct? If that’s the case, yes, I think it’s unethical of the LA. But in a short sale, how does he know if the bank would approve such a lowball offer, anyway? I will not get in such a deal, because that’s sleazy.

If the property has been on the market for some days, well, I think there is nothing unfair about going with the LA. For all I know, for the same property multiple buyers will go with the LA evening out the play field. So, in that case I’d jump on it. The offers are submitted as time goes on, not by a certain deadline – in most cases. So if the sellers are worried they won’t get what they want they may want to accept the first reasonably low offer they get. So why shouldn’t it be mine? Nothing unfair about it. It’s all about timing. If I had submitted the same lowball offer in day 1, I would have been turned down.

Side note:
Where were the morals of buyers when they ran up the price during the bubble? I lost on a few houses then because of the bidding wars who gives more above the LP. If that wasn’t immoral…. It’s a dirty game and you have to be willing to play dirty, if you have the opportunity.

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I thought i’ll revive this thread. We saw a nice house we liked in PQ with a pretty nice, decent size pool/hot tub combo.

Thanks for all the useful tips, about chemicals and solar cover.

I am kind of scared of the few hundred bucks a month utility costs. And I don’t know how much we’ll use it. Though I suppose if you have it right in your back yard, you use it. We probably won’t use it during the winter. A friend that lives in PQ claims he never heats the pool, just the spa and uses solar cover which in summer keeps the water at low to mid 70s.

I abhore cold water in the pool and so I am thinking I’d heat up the pool 3 days a week to low 80s degrees and run it the whole day (with solar cover while we are gone from home), so I can enjoy it morning and evening. This only from late spring to early fall, i.e. 6 months a year.

How much do you think I should budget in utilities for the pool heating and maintaining in those months, as well an in the off-months?

Many thanks!!!

P.S. How much a solar heater consumes to heat up your pool?

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I thought i’ll revive this thread. We saw a nice house we liked in PQ with a pretty nice, decent size pool/hot tub combo.

Thanks for all the useful tips, about chemicals and solar cover.

I am kind of scared of the few hundred bucks a month utility costs. And I don’t know how much we’ll use it. Though I suppose if you have it right in your back yard, you use it. We probably won’t use it during the winter. A friend that lives in PQ claims he never heats the pool, just the spa and uses solar cover which in summer keeps the water at low to mid 70s.

I abhore cold water in the pool and so I am thinking I’d heat up the pool 3 days a week to low 80s degrees and run it the whole day (with solar cover while we are gone from home), so I can enjoy it morning and evening. This only from late spring to early fall, i.e. 6 months a year.

How much do you think I should budget in utilities for the pool heating and maintaining in those months, as well an in the off-months?

Many thanks!!!

P.S. How much a solar heater consumes to heat up your pool?

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I thought i’ll revive this thread. We saw a nice house we liked in PQ with a pretty nice, decent size pool/hot tub combo.

Thanks for all the useful tips, about chemicals and solar cover.

I am kind of scared of the few hundred bucks a month utility costs. And I don’t know how much we’ll use it. Though I suppose if you have it right in your back yard, you use it. We probably won’t use it during the winter. A friend that lives in PQ claims he never heats the pool, just the spa and uses solar cover which in summer keeps the water at low to mid 70s.

I abhore cold water in the pool and so I am thinking I’d heat up the pool 3 days a week to low 80s degrees and run it the whole day (with solar cover while we are gone from home), so I can enjoy it morning and evening. This only from late spring to early fall, i.e. 6 months a year.

How much do you think I should budget in utilities for the pool heating and maintaining in those months, as well an in the off-months?

Many thanks!!!

P.S. How much a solar heater consumes to heat up your pool?

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I thought i’ll revive this thread. We saw a nice house we liked in PQ with a pretty nice, decent size pool/hot tub combo.

Thanks for all the useful tips, about chemicals and solar cover.

I am kind of scared of the few hundred bucks a month utility costs. And I don’t know how much we’ll use it. Though I suppose if you have it right in your back yard, you use it. We probably won’t use it during the winter. A friend that lives in PQ claims he never heats the pool, just the spa and uses solar cover which in summer keeps the water at low to mid 70s.

I abhore cold water in the pool and so I am thinking I’d heat up the pool 3 days a week to low 80s degrees and run it the whole day (with solar cover while we are gone from home), so I can enjoy it morning and evening. This only from late spring to early fall, i.e. 6 months a year.

How much do you think I should budget in utilities for the pool heating and maintaining in those months, as well an in the off-months?

Many thanks!!!

P.S. How much a solar heater consumes to heat up your pool?

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I thought i’ll revive this thread. We saw a nice house we liked in PQ with a pretty nice, decent size pool/hot tub combo.

Thanks for all the useful tips, about chemicals and solar cover.

I am kind of scared of the few hundred bucks a month utility costs. And I don’t know how much we’ll use it. Though I suppose if you have it right in your back yard, you use it. We probably won’t use it during the winter. A friend that lives in PQ claims he never heats the pool, just the spa and uses solar cover which in summer keeps the water at low to mid 70s.

I abhore cold water in the pool and so I am thinking I’d heat up the pool 3 days a week to low 80s degrees and run it the whole day (with solar cover while we are gone from home), so I can enjoy it morning and evening. This only from late spring to early fall, i.e. 6 months a year.

How much do you think I should budget in utilities for the pool heating and maintaining in those months, as well an in the off-months?

Many thanks!!!

P.S. How much a solar heater consumes to heat up your pool?

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[quote=bearishgurl][quote=UCguy] . . . But what if the plumbing is all polybutilene (or whatever) and wasn’t replaced? . . . [/quote]

UCGuy, DO NOT even make an offer on a property that has this problem. ASK the LA first if their listing had or currently has PBT plumbing.

If you are working with a competent agent who is intimately familiar with the area(s) you are seeking to buy in, you can tell them you are not interested in a property built with PBT plumbing and they should KNOW COLD which tracts are subject to this issue. If a seller can PROVE their property was ENTIRELY re-plumbed, you want to see the invoices for work performed BEFORE making an offer and also have a thorough plumbing inspection done if your offer is accepted.

Many replumb jobs are NOT entire replumbs. Some are just fixes at where there was a previous burst or leak, that drywall only and all the “visible” plumbing to the naked eye.[/quote]

Excellent advice, BG, I haven’t thought about that – asking the realtor to find out. Isn’t though a bit of a hassle to ask for seller’s proof he did the whole plumbing BEFORe putting an offer? I mean, he may not want to go to the trouble of providing them and accept the offer of a less-inquiring buyer. I don’t wan’t to turn them off off the bat. Don’t get me wrong, I’d make the offer contingent on the inspection finding out if the replumbing has be done fully – and based on the ORAL confirmation that it has been done. What if the house exchanged hands more than once after the replumbing was supposed to be redone (I am thinking about PQ – where people received a credit to re-do their plumbing entirely, but not all spent that money on the intended stuff) – they may not have the proofs.

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[quote=bearishgurl][quote=UCguy] . . . But what if the plumbing is all polybutilene (or whatever) and wasn’t replaced? . . . [/quote]

UCGuy, DO NOT even make an offer on a property that has this problem. ASK the LA first if their listing had or currently has PBT plumbing.

If you are working with a competent agent who is intimately familiar with the area(s) you are seeking to buy in, you can tell them you are not interested in a property built with PBT plumbing and they should KNOW COLD which tracts are subject to this issue. If a seller can PROVE their property was ENTIRELY re-plumbed, you want to see the invoices for work performed BEFORE making an offer and also have a thorough plumbing inspection done if your offer is accepted.

Many replumb jobs are NOT entire replumbs. Some are just fixes at where there was a previous burst or leak, that drywall only and all the “visible” plumbing to the naked eye.[/quote]

Excellent advice, BG, I haven’t thought about that – asking the realtor to find out. Isn’t though a bit of a hassle to ask for seller’s proof he did the whole plumbing BEFORe putting an offer? I mean, he may not want to go to the trouble of providing them and accept the offer of a less-inquiring buyer. I don’t wan’t to turn them off off the bat. Don’t get me wrong, I’d make the offer contingent on the inspection finding out if the replumbing has be done fully – and based on the ORAL confirmation that it has been done. What if the house exchanged hands more than once after the replumbing was supposed to be redone (I am thinking about PQ – where people received a credit to re-do their plumbing entirely, but not all spent that money on the intended stuff) – they may not have the proofs.

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[quote=bearishgurl][quote=UCguy] . . . But what if the plumbing is all polybutilene (or whatever) and wasn’t replaced? . . . [/quote]

UCGuy, DO NOT even make an offer on a property that has this problem. ASK the LA first if their listing had or currently has PBT plumbing.

If you are working with a competent agent who is intimately familiar with the area(s) you are seeking to buy in, you can tell them you are not interested in a property built with PBT plumbing and they should KNOW COLD which tracts are subject to this issue. If a seller can PROVE their property was ENTIRELY re-plumbed, you want to see the invoices for work performed BEFORE making an offer and also have a thorough plumbing inspection done if your offer is accepted.

Many replumb jobs are NOT entire replumbs. Some are just fixes at where there was a previous burst or leak, that drywall only and all the “visible” plumbing to the naked eye.[/quote]

Excellent advice, BG, I haven’t thought about that – asking the realtor to find out. Isn’t though a bit of a hassle to ask for seller’s proof he did the whole plumbing BEFORe putting an offer? I mean, he may not want to go to the trouble of providing them and accept the offer of a less-inquiring buyer. I don’t wan’t to turn them off off the bat. Don’t get me wrong, I’d make the offer contingent on the inspection finding out if the replumbing has be done fully – and based on the ORAL confirmation that it has been done. What if the house exchanged hands more than once after the replumbing was supposed to be redone (I am thinking about PQ – where people received a credit to re-do their plumbing entirely, but not all spent that money on the intended stuff) – they may not have the proofs.

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[quote=bearishgurl][quote=UCguy] . . . But what if the plumbing is all polybutilene (or whatever) and wasn’t replaced? . . . [/quote]

UCGuy, DO NOT even make an offer on a property that has this problem. ASK the LA first if their listing had or currently has PBT plumbing.

If you are working with a competent agent who is intimately familiar with the area(s) you are seeking to buy in, you can tell them you are not interested in a property built with PBT plumbing and they should KNOW COLD which tracts are subject to this issue. If a seller can PROVE their property was ENTIRELY re-plumbed, you want to see the invoices for work performed BEFORE making an offer and also have a thorough plumbing inspection done if your offer is accepted.

Many replumb jobs are NOT entire replumbs. Some are just fixes at where there was a previous burst or leak, that drywall only and all the “visible” plumbing to the naked eye.[/quote]

Excellent advice, BG, I haven’t thought about that – asking the realtor to find out. Isn’t though a bit of a hassle to ask for seller’s proof he did the whole plumbing BEFORe putting an offer? I mean, he may not want to go to the trouble of providing them and accept the offer of a less-inquiring buyer. I don’t wan’t to turn them off off the bat. Don’t get me wrong, I’d make the offer contingent on the inspection finding out if the replumbing has be done fully – and based on the ORAL confirmation that it has been done. What if the house exchanged hands more than once after the replumbing was supposed to be redone (I am thinking about PQ – where people received a credit to re-do their plumbing entirely, but not all spent that money on the intended stuff) – they may not have the proofs.

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