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The dose is what matters.

Everything is a poison, what matters is the dose. I think Paracelsus said that. Still completely true. Beside the dose, the duration of exposure to a chemical (think about pollution, chemicals released from factories in the air/soil/water).

But ANY chemical in a high enough one-dose CAN make you sick, and even kill you Even water!

So, before people start to worry about various components in vaccines, they should look at the dose of the components, and see the studies that found out at what dose have serious ill effects been observed, for those things.

Example for FluMist (H1N1 nasal):
.2 mg monosodium glutamate,
2.00 mg/dose hydrolyzed porcine gelatin,
2.4 mg/dose arginine,
13.7 mg/dose sucrose
2.3 mg/dose dibasic potassium phosphate
1 mg/dose monobasic potassium phosphate

You consume more MSG, sucrose, arginine, and potassium phosphate at one fast food kids meal… Of course, if you are allergic/sensitive to arginine/gelatin/MSG etc. you may have side effects from eating fast food…

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One other thing — we keep hearing that the real danger is that the H1N1 might mutate into a more virulent strain. if this outbreak in the Ukraine is caused by a mutation, the current vaccine is useless anyway. And when the CDC has admitted that the vaccine missed the circulating strains entirely in past years, there was no change in the cases of flu reported. Yet each year we are to believe that it is effective.[/quote]

I believe in this case since it was “discovered” in spring, they have identified the strain of H1N1 exactly. It’s hard to say if the vaccine will be useless against mutated virus. It really depends on the mutations. Probably it will offer some protection still. I wish there were more scientific and reliable data about what’s going in Ukraine.

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[quote=Vee]
One other thing — we keep hearing that the real danger is that the H1N1 might mutate into a more virulent strain. if this outbreak in the Ukraine is caused by a mutation, the current vaccine is useless anyway. And when the CDC has admitted that the vaccine missed the circulating strains entirely in past years, there was no change in the cases of flu reported. Yet each year we are to believe that it is effective.[/quote]

I believe in this case since it was “discovered” in spring, they have identified the strain of H1N1 exactly. It’s hard to say if the vaccine will be useless against mutated virus. It really depends on the mutations. Probably it will offer some protection still. I wish there were more scientific and reliable data about what’s going in Ukraine.

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[quote=Vee]
One other thing — we keep hearing that the real danger is that the H1N1 might mutate into a more virulent strain. if this outbreak in the Ukraine is caused by a mutation, the current vaccine is useless anyway. And when the CDC has admitted that the vaccine missed the circulating strains entirely in past years, there was no change in the cases of flu reported. Yet each year we are to believe that it is effective.[/quote]

I believe in this case since it was “discovered” in spring, they have identified the strain of H1N1 exactly. It’s hard to say if the vaccine will be useless against mutated virus. It really depends on the mutations. Probably it will offer some protection still. I wish there were more scientific and reliable data about what’s going in Ukraine.

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[quote=Vee]
One other thing — we keep hearing that the real danger is that the H1N1 might mutate into a more virulent strain. if this outbreak in the Ukraine is caused by a mutation, the current vaccine is useless anyway. And when the CDC has admitted that the vaccine missed the circulating strains entirely in past years, there was no change in the cases of flu reported. Yet each year we are to believe that it is effective.[/quote]

I believe in this case since it was “discovered” in spring, they have identified the strain of H1N1 exactly. It’s hard to say if the vaccine will be useless against mutated virus. It really depends on the mutations. Probably it will offer some protection still. I wish there were more scientific and reliable data about what’s going in Ukraine.

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[quote=Vee]
One other thing — we keep hearing that the real danger is that the H1N1 might mutate into a more virulent strain. if this outbreak in the Ukraine is caused by a mutation, the current vaccine is useless anyway. And when the CDC has admitted that the vaccine missed the circulating strains entirely in past years, there was no change in the cases of flu reported. Yet each year we are to believe that it is effective.[/quote]

I believe in this case since it was “discovered” in spring, they have identified the strain of H1N1 exactly. It’s hard to say if the vaccine will be useless against mutated virus. It really depends on the mutations. Probably it will offer some protection still. I wish there were more scientific and reliable data about what’s going in Ukraine.

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FDA version is more detailed.
[quote=Vee]The CDC’s version is different from the actual package insert, which is much more generalized.[/quote]

You mean more detailed?

Here it is, everybody should read it
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm182406.pdf

it describes the clinical trials they did on various groups of population, and what adverse effects have been reported, even post-marketing experience

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FDA version is more detailed.
[quote=Vee]The CDC’s version is different from the actual package insert, which is much more generalized.[/quote]

You mean more detailed?

Here it is, everybody should read it
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm182406.pdf

it describes the clinical trials they did on various groups of population, and what adverse effects have been reported, even post-marketing experience

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FDA version is more detailed.
[quote=Vee]The CDC’s version is different from the actual package insert, which is much more generalized.[/quote]

You mean more detailed?

Here it is, everybody should read it
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm182406.pdf

it describes the clinical trials they did on various groups of population, and what adverse effects have been reported, even post-marketing experience

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FDA version is more detailed.
[quote=Vee]The CDC’s version is different from the actual package insert, which is much more generalized.[/quote]

You mean more detailed?

Here it is, everybody should read it
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm182406.pdf

it describes the clinical trials they did on various groups of population, and what adverse effects have been reported, even post-marketing experience

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FDA version is more detailed.
[quote=Vee]The CDC’s version is different from the actual package insert, which is much more generalized.[/quote]

You mean more detailed?

Here it is, everybody should read it
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm182406.pdf

it describes the clinical trials they did on various groups of population, and what adverse effects have been reported, even post-marketing experience

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I am sorry to hear that about your daughter, and thanks for sharing that.

Regarding Bell’s palsy. I’ve looked up Bell’s palsy, and it seems that most common known causes are viral infections (most common ones are herpes simplex(cold sores), flu and cold viruses, HIV, ear infections, herpse zoster (chickenpox/shingles), mumps, mononucleosis/ Epstein-Barr), sometimes bacterial (like Lyme disease). Other causes are suspected, like auto-immune dissorders, diabetes, injuries. But it’s hard to know. Often the cause cannot be pinpointed in a given case. Probably 20 years ago it was even less known about the Bell’s palsy, probably the doctor really didn’t know. Did it at least go away in a short time like the doctor said?

There were very small number of cases in which the cause seems to be the attenuated influenza virus in the nasal vaccines, indeed.

Since you mention this happened after vaccination, it seems likely it was a natural response to the attenuated viruses in the vaccines, if there were any. This palsy is a temporary paralysis of a facial nerve due to inflammation and temporary compression of the facial nerves. I would think it would be unrelated with central neurological damage and learning disabilities. But yes, I believe in rare cases the live virus in FluMist can cause Bell’s palsy, which usually goes away on its own in a few days.

Regarding learning disabilities, which seems to be a bit of a epidemic in US, I believe it is due to some chemicals in the environment/food/etc., and it is a sign of some neurological damage. Definitely I don’t believe it’s genetic per se. Like you said, we all carry the same genes, but there are mutations in the genes that maybe could make some more susceptible to chemicals and such, I am not sure. Maybe some of those mutations have become more prevalent due to some (other) chemicals present, who knows.

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I am sorry to hear that about your daughter, and thanks for sharing that.

Regarding Bell’s palsy. I’ve looked up Bell’s palsy, and it seems that most common known causes are viral infections (most common ones are herpes simplex(cold sores), flu and cold viruses, HIV, ear infections, herpse zoster (chickenpox/shingles), mumps, mononucleosis/ Epstein-Barr), sometimes bacterial (like Lyme disease). Other causes are suspected, like auto-immune dissorders, diabetes, injuries. But it’s hard to know. Often the cause cannot be pinpointed in a given case. Probably 20 years ago it was even less known about the Bell’s palsy, probably the doctor really didn’t know. Did it at least go away in a short time like the doctor said?

There were very small number of cases in which the cause seems to be the attenuated influenza virus in the nasal vaccines, indeed.

Since you mention this happened after vaccination, it seems likely it was a natural response to the attenuated viruses in the vaccines, if there were any. This palsy is a temporary paralysis of a facial nerve due to inflammation and temporary compression of the facial nerves. I would think it would be unrelated with central neurological damage and learning disabilities. But yes, I believe in rare cases the live virus in FluMist can cause Bell’s palsy, which usually goes away on its own in a few days.

Regarding learning disabilities, which seems to be a bit of a epidemic in US, I believe it is due to some chemicals in the environment/food/etc., and it is a sign of some neurological damage. Definitely I don’t believe it’s genetic per se. Like you said, we all carry the same genes, but there are mutations in the genes that maybe could make some more susceptible to chemicals and such, I am not sure. Maybe some of those mutations have become more prevalent due to some (other) chemicals present, who knows.

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I am sorry to hear that about your daughter, and thanks for sharing that.

Regarding Bell’s palsy. I’ve looked up Bell’s palsy, and it seems that most common known causes are viral infections (most common ones are herpes simplex(cold sores), flu and cold viruses, HIV, ear infections, herpse zoster (chickenpox/shingles), mumps, mononucleosis/ Epstein-Barr), sometimes bacterial (like Lyme disease). Other causes are suspected, like auto-immune dissorders, diabetes, injuries. But it’s hard to know. Often the cause cannot be pinpointed in a given case. Probably 20 years ago it was even less known about the Bell’s palsy, probably the doctor really didn’t know. Did it at least go away in a short time like the doctor said?

There were very small number of cases in which the cause seems to be the attenuated influenza virus in the nasal vaccines, indeed.

Since you mention this happened after vaccination, it seems likely it was a natural response to the attenuated viruses in the vaccines, if there were any. This palsy is a temporary paralysis of a facial nerve due to inflammation and temporary compression of the facial nerves. I would think it would be unrelated with central neurological damage and learning disabilities. But yes, I believe in rare cases the live virus in FluMist can cause Bell’s palsy, which usually goes away on its own in a few days.

Regarding learning disabilities, which seems to be a bit of a epidemic in US, I believe it is due to some chemicals in the environment/food/etc., and it is a sign of some neurological damage. Definitely I don’t believe it’s genetic per se. Like you said, we all carry the same genes, but there are mutations in the genes that maybe could make some more susceptible to chemicals and such, I am not sure. Maybe some of those mutations have become more prevalent due to some (other) chemicals present, who knows.

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I am sorry to hear that about your daughter, and thanks for sharing that.

Regarding Bell’s palsy. I’ve looked up Bell’s palsy, and it seems that most common known causes are viral infections (most common ones are herpes simplex(cold sores), flu and cold viruses, HIV, ear infections, herpse zoster (chickenpox/shingles), mumps, mononucleosis/ Epstein-Barr), sometimes bacterial (like Lyme disease). Other causes are suspected, like auto-immune dissorders, diabetes, injuries. But it’s hard to know. Often the cause cannot be pinpointed in a given case. Probably 20 years ago it was even less known about the Bell’s palsy, probably the doctor really didn’t know. Did it at least go away in a short time like the doctor said?

There were very small number of cases in which the cause seems to be the attenuated influenza virus in the nasal vaccines, indeed.

Since you mention this happened after vaccination, it seems likely it was a natural response to the attenuated viruses in the vaccines, if there were any. This palsy is a temporary paralysis of a facial nerve due to inflammation and temporary compression of the facial nerves. I would think it would be unrelated with central neurological damage and learning disabilities. But yes, I believe in rare cases the live virus in FluMist can cause Bell’s palsy, which usually goes away on its own in a few days.

Regarding learning disabilities, which seems to be a bit of a epidemic in US, I believe it is due to some chemicals in the environment/food/etc., and it is a sign of some neurological damage. Definitely I don’t believe it’s genetic per se. Like you said, we all carry the same genes, but there are mutations in the genes that maybe could make some more susceptible to chemicals and such, I am not sure. Maybe some of those mutations have become more prevalent due to some (other) chemicals present, who knows.

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