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Ricechex
Participant[quote=sdrealtor][quote=CA renter][quote=Ricechex][quote=faterikcartman]And just another word to the wise: every time your presented with a question to vote for a tax increase to pay for so-called essential services like police and fire you’re being hoodwinked. They couch the question like that so they don’t have to cut spending for other things which you wouldn’t vote for if you were presented the choice.
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Now, this is quite true. Take a look at Prop J. There is some propaganda. Extra taxes to “retain” math and science teachers. Did you know the entire district bought EVERY 3rd, 6th, and 9th grader a netbook? This from a district that is so short of funds? I would much rather RETAIN the teachers/smaller classroom size, than spend oodles of money on netbooks. The students can bring home the netbooks with them too. I wonder who the district contracted with for that one? Which private company made LOTS of money on those netbooks? I don’t remember voting on that one do you?
No need to blame the teachers either, they had nothing to do with it. When we blame the public servants, (firefighters, police, teachers, etc) it is essentially blaming the grunts that actually DO the job. It is the corruption at the top that is really the problem.[/quote]
Fantastic, and very accurate post![/quote]
I dont see anyone blaming the grunts aorund here, we are blaming the system. Frankly it doesnt matter where the problem lies, what is important is that its a problem.
FWIW, there is only one or two nitwits posting about the “cops and donuts” or “sitting in the firehouse” nonsense. Most of us dont beleive that so lets keep on point here. We arent blaming the public servants and we think they do a good job. We just think they are overcompensated.
As for the transparancy issue, from your earlier post can I infer that you are all for making all compensation to public servants publically available also. Would you agree with that?[/quote]
Certainly. The federal government salaries are transparent. Ask a gov employee what their grade level is: GS-11, GS-12, etc. Google “Federal Salary Schedule 2010” and choose the locality, and you will get a range of what the pay is. If you know how many years the person has been in service, and how long at that grade level, you can then identify exactly their salary.
Though it may not be directly expressed the gist of these threads are “public employees are lazy, overpaid, and anyone can do their jobs.” It is simply not true.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor][quote=CA renter][quote=Ricechex][quote=faterikcartman]And just another word to the wise: every time your presented with a question to vote for a tax increase to pay for so-called essential services like police and fire you’re being hoodwinked. They couch the question like that so they don’t have to cut spending for other things which you wouldn’t vote for if you were presented the choice.
/quote]
Now, this is quite true. Take a look at Prop J. There is some propaganda. Extra taxes to “retain” math and science teachers. Did you know the entire district bought EVERY 3rd, 6th, and 9th grader a netbook? This from a district that is so short of funds? I would much rather RETAIN the teachers/smaller classroom size, than spend oodles of money on netbooks. The students can bring home the netbooks with them too. I wonder who the district contracted with for that one? Which private company made LOTS of money on those netbooks? I don’t remember voting on that one do you?
No need to blame the teachers either, they had nothing to do with it. When we blame the public servants, (firefighters, police, teachers, etc) it is essentially blaming the grunts that actually DO the job. It is the corruption at the top that is really the problem.[/quote]
Fantastic, and very accurate post![/quote]
I dont see anyone blaming the grunts aorund here, we are blaming the system. Frankly it doesnt matter where the problem lies, what is important is that its a problem.
FWIW, there is only one or two nitwits posting about the “cops and donuts” or “sitting in the firehouse” nonsense. Most of us dont beleive that so lets keep on point here. We arent blaming the public servants and we think they do a good job. We just think they are overcompensated.
As for the transparancy issue, from your earlier post can I infer that you are all for making all compensation to public servants publically available also. Would you agree with that?[/quote]
Certainly. The federal government salaries are transparent. Ask a gov employee what their grade level is: GS-11, GS-12, etc. Google “Federal Salary Schedule 2010” and choose the locality, and you will get a range of what the pay is. If you know how many years the person has been in service, and how long at that grade level, you can then identify exactly their salary.
Though it may not be directly expressed the gist of these threads are “public employees are lazy, overpaid, and anyone can do their jobs.” It is simply not true.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor][quote=CA renter][quote=Ricechex][quote=faterikcartman]And just another word to the wise: every time your presented with a question to vote for a tax increase to pay for so-called essential services like police and fire you’re being hoodwinked. They couch the question like that so they don’t have to cut spending for other things which you wouldn’t vote for if you were presented the choice.
/quote]
Now, this is quite true. Take a look at Prop J. There is some propaganda. Extra taxes to “retain” math and science teachers. Did you know the entire district bought EVERY 3rd, 6th, and 9th grader a netbook? This from a district that is so short of funds? I would much rather RETAIN the teachers/smaller classroom size, than spend oodles of money on netbooks. The students can bring home the netbooks with them too. I wonder who the district contracted with for that one? Which private company made LOTS of money on those netbooks? I don’t remember voting on that one do you?
No need to blame the teachers either, they had nothing to do with it. When we blame the public servants, (firefighters, police, teachers, etc) it is essentially blaming the grunts that actually DO the job. It is the corruption at the top that is really the problem.[/quote]
Fantastic, and very accurate post![/quote]
I dont see anyone blaming the grunts aorund here, we are blaming the system. Frankly it doesnt matter where the problem lies, what is important is that its a problem.
FWIW, there is only one or two nitwits posting about the “cops and donuts” or “sitting in the firehouse” nonsense. Most of us dont beleive that so lets keep on point here. We arent blaming the public servants and we think they do a good job. We just think they are overcompensated.
As for the transparancy issue, from your earlier post can I infer that you are all for making all compensation to public servants publically available also. Would you agree with that?[/quote]
Certainly. The federal government salaries are transparent. Ask a gov employee what their grade level is: GS-11, GS-12, etc. Google “Federal Salary Schedule 2010” and choose the locality, and you will get a range of what the pay is. If you know how many years the person has been in service, and how long at that grade level, you can then identify exactly their salary.
Though it may not be directly expressed the gist of these threads are “public employees are lazy, overpaid, and anyone can do their jobs.” It is simply not true.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor][quote=CA renter][quote=Ricechex][quote=faterikcartman]And just another word to the wise: every time your presented with a question to vote for a tax increase to pay for so-called essential services like police and fire you’re being hoodwinked. They couch the question like that so they don’t have to cut spending for other things which you wouldn’t vote for if you were presented the choice.
/quote]
Now, this is quite true. Take a look at Prop J. There is some propaganda. Extra taxes to “retain” math and science teachers. Did you know the entire district bought EVERY 3rd, 6th, and 9th grader a netbook? This from a district that is so short of funds? I would much rather RETAIN the teachers/smaller classroom size, than spend oodles of money on netbooks. The students can bring home the netbooks with them too. I wonder who the district contracted with for that one? Which private company made LOTS of money on those netbooks? I don’t remember voting on that one do you?
No need to blame the teachers either, they had nothing to do with it. When we blame the public servants, (firefighters, police, teachers, etc) it is essentially blaming the grunts that actually DO the job. It is the corruption at the top that is really the problem.[/quote]
Fantastic, and very accurate post![/quote]
I dont see anyone blaming the grunts aorund here, we are blaming the system. Frankly it doesnt matter where the problem lies, what is important is that its a problem.
FWIW, there is only one or two nitwits posting about the “cops and donuts” or “sitting in the firehouse” nonsense. Most of us dont beleive that so lets keep on point here. We arent blaming the public servants and we think they do a good job. We just think they are overcompensated.
As for the transparancy issue, from your earlier post can I infer that you are all for making all compensation to public servants publically available also. Would you agree with that?[/quote]
Certainly. The federal government salaries are transparent. Ask a gov employee what their grade level is: GS-11, GS-12, etc. Google “Federal Salary Schedule 2010” and choose the locality, and you will get a range of what the pay is. If you know how many years the person has been in service, and how long at that grade level, you can then identify exactly their salary.
Though it may not be directly expressed the gist of these threads are “public employees are lazy, overpaid, and anyone can do their jobs.” It is simply not true.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor][quote=CA renter][quote=Ricechex][quote=faterikcartman]And just another word to the wise: every time your presented with a question to vote for a tax increase to pay for so-called essential services like police and fire you’re being hoodwinked. They couch the question like that so they don’t have to cut spending for other things which you wouldn’t vote for if you were presented the choice.
/quote]
Now, this is quite true. Take a look at Prop J. There is some propaganda. Extra taxes to “retain” math and science teachers. Did you know the entire district bought EVERY 3rd, 6th, and 9th grader a netbook? This from a district that is so short of funds? I would much rather RETAIN the teachers/smaller classroom size, than spend oodles of money on netbooks. The students can bring home the netbooks with them too. I wonder who the district contracted with for that one? Which private company made LOTS of money on those netbooks? I don’t remember voting on that one do you?
No need to blame the teachers either, they had nothing to do with it. When we blame the public servants, (firefighters, police, teachers, etc) it is essentially blaming the grunts that actually DO the job. It is the corruption at the top that is really the problem.[/quote]
Fantastic, and very accurate post![/quote]
I dont see anyone blaming the grunts aorund here, we are blaming the system. Frankly it doesnt matter where the problem lies, what is important is that its a problem.
FWIW, there is only one or two nitwits posting about the “cops and donuts” or “sitting in the firehouse” nonsense. Most of us dont beleive that so lets keep on point here. We arent blaming the public servants and we think they do a good job. We just think they are overcompensated.
As for the transparancy issue, from your earlier post can I infer that you are all for making all compensation to public servants publically available also. Would you agree with that?[/quote]
Certainly. The federal government salaries are transparent. Ask a gov employee what their grade level is: GS-11, GS-12, etc. Google “Federal Salary Schedule 2010” and choose the locality, and you will get a range of what the pay is. If you know how many years the person has been in service, and how long at that grade level, you can then identify exactly their salary.
Though it may not be directly expressed the gist of these threads are “public employees are lazy, overpaid, and anyone can do their jobs.” It is simply not true.
ParticipantFocusing on pay/benes of public servants is miniscule compared to other fraud perpetuated with the taxpayers’ money. How about this one? Allegedly, this custom designed RV cost $300K. Not to mention maintenance, gas, and staffing.
It was even featured on the news as something absolutely wonderful offered to our active duty and families.
It advertises its services as “FREE.” It goes around to various locations and distributes flyers. They have to trick customers to come in with bribery. They put a table outside with toys and in the morning when the kids go to school, they see the toys and want them. However, they can’t get the toy unless they bring a parent back with them, who has to sign in.
A VW, a couple of folding tables, packed with flyers could have accomplished the same task. The government spends our money on STUFF, not services.
[img_assist|nid=14038|title=Family Readiness Express|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=278|height=204]ParticipantFocusing on pay/benes of public servants is miniscule compared to other fraud perpetuated with the taxpayers’ money. How about this one? Allegedly, this custom designed RV cost $300K. Not to mention maintenance, gas, and staffing.
It was even featured on the news as something absolutely wonderful offered to our active duty and families.
It advertises its services as “FREE.” It goes around to various locations and distributes flyers. They have to trick customers to come in with bribery. They put a table outside with toys and in the morning when the kids go to school, they see the toys and want them. However, they can’t get the toy unless they bring a parent back with them, who has to sign in.
A VW, a couple of folding tables, packed with flyers could have accomplished the same task. The government spends our money on STUFF, not services.
[img_assist|nid=14038|title=Family Readiness Express|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=278|height=204]ParticipantFocusing on pay/benes of public servants is miniscule compared to other fraud perpetuated with the taxpayers’ money. How about this one? Allegedly, this custom designed RV cost $300K. Not to mention maintenance, gas, and staffing.
It was even featured on the news as something absolutely wonderful offered to our active duty and families.
It advertises its services as “FREE.” It goes around to various locations and distributes flyers. They have to trick customers to come in with bribery. They put a table outside with toys and in the morning when the kids go to school, they see the toys and want them. However, they can’t get the toy unless they bring a parent back with them, who has to sign in.
A VW, a couple of folding tables, packed with flyers could have accomplished the same task. The government spends our money on STUFF, not services.
[img_assist|nid=14038|title=Family Readiness Express|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=278|height=204]ParticipantFocusing on pay/benes of public servants is miniscule compared to other fraud perpetuated with the taxpayers’ money. How about this one? Allegedly, this custom designed RV cost $300K. Not to mention maintenance, gas, and staffing.
It was even featured on the news as something absolutely wonderful offered to our active duty and families.
It advertises its services as “FREE.” It goes around to various locations and distributes flyers. They have to trick customers to come in with bribery. They put a table outside with toys and in the morning when the kids go to school, they see the toys and want them. However, they can’t get the toy unless they bring a parent back with them, who has to sign in.
A VW, a couple of folding tables, packed with flyers could have accomplished the same task. The government spends our money on STUFF, not services.
[img_assist|nid=14038|title=Family Readiness Express|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=278|height=204]ParticipantFocusing on pay/benes of public servants is miniscule compared to other fraud perpetuated with the taxpayers’ money. How about this one? Allegedly, this custom designed RV cost $300K. Not to mention maintenance, gas, and staffing.
It was even featured on the news as something absolutely wonderful offered to our active duty and families.
It advertises its services as “FREE.” It goes around to various locations and distributes flyers. They have to trick customers to come in with bribery. They put a table outside with toys and in the morning when the kids go to school, they see the toys and want them. However, they can’t get the toy unless they bring a parent back with them, who has to sign in.
A VW, a couple of folding tables, packed with flyers could have accomplished the same task. The government spends our money on STUFF, not services.
[img_assist|nid=14038|title=Family Readiness Express|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=278|height=204]Participant[quote=faterikcartman]And just another word to the wise: every time your presented with a question to vote for a tax increase to pay for so-called essential services like police and fire you’re being hoodwinked. They couch the question like that so they don’t have to cut spending for other things which you wouldn’t vote for if you were presented the choice.
/quote]
Now, this is quite true. Take a look at Prop J. There is some propaganda. Extra taxes to “retain” math and science teachers. Did you know the entire district bought EVERY 3rd, 6th, and 9th grader a netbook? This from a district that is so short of funds? I would much rather RETAIN the teachers/smaller classroom size, than spend oodles of money on netbooks. The students can bring home the netbooks with them too. I wonder who the district contracted with for that one? Which private company made LOTS of money on those netbooks? I don’t remember voting on that one do you?
No need to blame the teachers either, they had nothing to do with it. When we blame the public servants, (firefighters, police, teachers, etc) it is essentially blaming the grunts that actually DO the job. It is the corruption at the top that is really the problem.
Participant[quote=faterikcartman]And just another word to the wise: every time your presented with a question to vote for a tax increase to pay for so-called essential services like police and fire you’re being hoodwinked. They couch the question like that so they don’t have to cut spending for other things which you wouldn’t vote for if you were presented the choice.
/quote]
Now, this is quite true. Take a look at Prop J. There is some propaganda. Extra taxes to “retain” math and science teachers. Did you know the entire district bought EVERY 3rd, 6th, and 9th grader a netbook? This from a district that is so short of funds? I would much rather RETAIN the teachers/smaller classroom size, than spend oodles of money on netbooks. The students can bring home the netbooks with them too. I wonder who the district contracted with for that one? Which private company made LOTS of money on those netbooks? I don’t remember voting on that one do you?
No need to blame the teachers either, they had nothing to do with it. When we blame the public servants, (firefighters, police, teachers, etc) it is essentially blaming the grunts that actually DO the job. It is the corruption at the top that is really the problem.
Participant[quote=faterikcartman]And just another word to the wise: every time your presented with a question to vote for a tax increase to pay for so-called essential services like police and fire you’re being hoodwinked. They couch the question like that so they don’t have to cut spending for other things which you wouldn’t vote for if you were presented the choice.
/quote]
Now, this is quite true. Take a look at Prop J. There is some propaganda. Extra taxes to “retain” math and science teachers. Did you know the entire district bought EVERY 3rd, 6th, and 9th grader a netbook? This from a district that is so short of funds? I would much rather RETAIN the teachers/smaller classroom size, than spend oodles of money on netbooks. The students can bring home the netbooks with them too. I wonder who the district contracted with for that one? Which private company made LOTS of money on those netbooks? I don’t remember voting on that one do you?
No need to blame the teachers either, they had nothing to do with it. When we blame the public servants, (firefighters, police, teachers, etc) it is essentially blaming the grunts that actually DO the job. It is the corruption at the top that is really the problem.
Participant[quote=faterikcartman]And just another word to the wise: every time your presented with a question to vote for a tax increase to pay for so-called essential services like police and fire you’re being hoodwinked. They couch the question like that so they don’t have to cut spending for other things which you wouldn’t vote for if you were presented the choice.
/quote]
Now, this is quite true. Take a look at Prop J. There is some propaganda. Extra taxes to “retain” math and science teachers. Did you know the entire district bought EVERY 3rd, 6th, and 9th grader a netbook? This from a district that is so short of funds? I would much rather RETAIN the teachers/smaller classroom size, than spend oodles of money on netbooks. The students can bring home the netbooks with them too. I wonder who the district contracted with for that one? Which private company made LOTS of money on those netbooks? I don’t remember voting on that one do you?
No need to blame the teachers either, they had nothing to do with it. When we blame the public servants, (firefighters, police, teachers, etc) it is essentially blaming the grunts that actually DO the job. It is the corruption at the top that is really the problem.
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