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Interesting thread. Yes, where you are at financially does alter your perspective. I have a friend on disability, and she thinks I have so much money. Of course, when you are on a fixed income, a “middle middle class” salary (thanks Raptorduck, I found your table informative), it looks like the big bucks.

Some months ago, she hit a car and considered leaving the scene….she said “well, it was a nice car, so I know they had money, so it would not be as hard on them as it is on me.” I thought that was pretty darn entitled of her, but perhaps it is just a matter of perspective.

[Ricechex]

Marion….I am doubtful you have much experience in the field. You wrote:

If you feel this way, I feel sorry for you. Some of the most messed up kids in the world come from family’s where they do not get enough nurturing from their parents, or are physically and emotionally abused. This has nothing to do with the educational level of the parents. Parents that have a high educational level abuse, just as much as parents who only graduated high school. No diff here.

My response:
There is a difference. These are the lies they tell ya in school. In regards to domestic violence it was said “domestic violence is equally distributed among all social classes, but we see less of the higher SES because they cover it up more.” This is simply not true. People at the lower SES tend to have more problems overall, limited coping skills, and a multitude of problems. People of low SES also have less education as an overall.

This is not to say that those in the lower SES cannot raise healthy, happy and successful children. They can, and they do. Many of them raise their children to pursue education. With education comes the ability to move up a class. However, those in the higher ranks, have less external issues, such as food, housing, and meeting basic needs. Can educated people have f***ed up children? Absolutely. But as a general rule, with the exception of sex offenders, children from lower SES families tend to have a greater potential for physical abuse, drug abuse, etc. Chaotic environments make for chaotic lives. Educated parents tend to have greater communication skills, coping skills and buy into societal norms, which discourage abusive behaviors.

I agree with the poster about critical thinking. Marion, you aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed here, you’re a simpleton, and your posts reflect arrogance and entitlement. However, you do stir up a good discussion here and there, so I give ya that.

Arraya, great post. I really enjoy your well written and insightful posts, even if they are dismal. I concur with your hypotheses on many matters.

[Ricechex]

Marion….I am doubtful you have much experience in the field. You wrote:

If you feel this way, I feel sorry for you. Some of the most messed up kids in the world come from family’s where they do not get enough nurturing from their parents, or are physically and emotionally abused. This has nothing to do with the educational level of the parents. Parents that have a high educational level abuse, just as much as parents who only graduated high school. No diff here.

My response:
There is a difference. These are the lies they tell ya in school. In regards to domestic violence it was said “domestic violence is equally distributed among all social classes, but we see less of the higher SES because they cover it up more.” This is simply not true. People at the lower SES tend to have more problems overall, limited coping skills, and a multitude of problems. People of low SES also have less education as an overall.

This is not to say that those in the lower SES cannot raise healthy, happy and successful children. They can, and they do. Many of them raise their children to pursue education. With education comes the ability to move up a class. However, those in the higher ranks, have less external issues, such as food, housing, and meeting basic needs. Can educated people have f***ed up children? Absolutely. But as a general rule, with the exception of sex offenders, children from lower SES families tend to have a greater potential for physical abuse, drug abuse, etc. Chaotic environments make for chaotic lives. Educated parents tend to have greater communication skills, coping skills and buy into societal norms, which discourage abusive behaviors.

I agree with the poster about critical thinking. Marion, you aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed here, you’re a simpleton, and your posts reflect arrogance and entitlement. However, you do stir up a good discussion here and there, so I give ya that.

Arraya, great post. I really enjoy your well written and insightful posts, even if they are dismal. I concur with your hypotheses on many matters.

[Ricechex]

Marion….I am doubtful you have much experience in the field. You wrote:

If you feel this way, I feel sorry for you. Some of the most messed up kids in the world come from family’s where they do not get enough nurturing from their parents, or are physically and emotionally abused. This has nothing to do with the educational level of the parents. Parents that have a high educational level abuse, just as much as parents who only graduated high school. No diff here.

My response:
There is a difference. These are the lies they tell ya in school. In regards to domestic violence it was said “domestic violence is equally distributed among all social classes, but we see less of the higher SES because they cover it up more.” This is simply not true. People at the lower SES tend to have more problems overall, limited coping skills, and a multitude of problems. People of low SES also have less education as an overall.

This is not to say that those in the lower SES cannot raise healthy, happy and successful children. They can, and they do. Many of them raise their children to pursue education. With education comes the ability to move up a class. However, those in the higher ranks, have less external issues, such as food, housing, and meeting basic needs. Can educated people have f***ed up children? Absolutely. But as a general rule, with the exception of sex offenders, children from lower SES families tend to have a greater potential for physical abuse, drug abuse, etc. Chaotic environments make for chaotic lives. Educated parents tend to have greater communication skills, coping skills and buy into societal norms, which discourage abusive behaviors.

I agree with the poster about critical thinking. Marion, you aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed here, you’re a simpleton, and your posts reflect arrogance and entitlement. However, you do stir up a good discussion here and there, so I give ya that.

Arraya, great post. I really enjoy your well written and insightful posts, even if they are dismal. I concur with your hypotheses on many matters.

[Ricechex]

Marion….I am doubtful you have much experience in the field. You wrote:

If you feel this way, I feel sorry for you. Some of the most messed up kids in the world come from family’s where they do not get enough nurturing from their parents, or are physically and emotionally abused. This has nothing to do with the educational level of the parents. Parents that have a high educational level abuse, just as much as parents who only graduated high school. No diff here.

My response:
There is a difference. These are the lies they tell ya in school. In regards to domestic violence it was said “domestic violence is equally distributed among all social classes, but we see less of the higher SES because they cover it up more.” This is simply not true. People at the lower SES tend to have more problems overall, limited coping skills, and a multitude of problems. People of low SES also have less education as an overall.

This is not to say that those in the lower SES cannot raise healthy, happy and successful children. They can, and they do. Many of them raise their children to pursue education. With education comes the ability to move up a class. However, those in the higher ranks, have less external issues, such as food, housing, and meeting basic needs. Can educated people have f***ed up children? Absolutely. But as a general rule, with the exception of sex offenders, children from lower SES families tend to have a greater potential for physical abuse, drug abuse, etc. Chaotic environments make for chaotic lives. Educated parents tend to have greater communication skills, coping skills and buy into societal norms, which discourage abusive behaviors.

I agree with the poster about critical thinking. Marion, you aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed here, you’re a simpleton, and your posts reflect arrogance and entitlement. However, you do stir up a good discussion here and there, so I give ya that.

Arraya, great post. I really enjoy your well written and insightful posts, even if they are dismal. I concur with your hypotheses on many matters.

[Ricechex]

Marion….I am doubtful you have much experience in the field. You wrote:

If you feel this way, I feel sorry for you. Some of the most messed up kids in the world come from family’s where they do not get enough nurturing from their parents, or are physically and emotionally abused. This has nothing to do with the educational level of the parents. Parents that have a high educational level abuse, just as much as parents who only graduated high school. No diff here.

My response:
There is a difference. These are the lies they tell ya in school. In regards to domestic violence it was said “domestic violence is equally distributed among all social classes, but we see less of the higher SES because they cover it up more.” This is simply not true. People at the lower SES tend to have more problems overall, limited coping skills, and a multitude of problems. People of low SES also have less education as an overall.

This is not to say that those in the lower SES cannot raise healthy, happy and successful children. They can, and they do. Many of them raise their children to pursue education. With education comes the ability to move up a class. However, those in the higher ranks, have less external issues, such as food, housing, and meeting basic needs. Can educated people have f***ed up children? Absolutely. But as a general rule, with the exception of sex offenders, children from lower SES families tend to have a greater potential for physical abuse, drug abuse, etc. Chaotic environments make for chaotic lives. Educated parents tend to have greater communication skills, coping skills and buy into societal norms, which discourage abusive behaviors.

I agree with the poster about critical thinking. Marion, you aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed here, you’re a simpleton, and your posts reflect arrogance and entitlement. However, you do stir up a good discussion here and there, so I give ya that.

Arraya, great post. I really enjoy your well written and insightful posts, even if they are dismal. I concur with your hypotheses on many matters.

[Ricechex]

I was thinking similarly to Enorah…sounds like he may have something more in mind. Unless he is gay, but garish wreaths and gay guys aren’t usually a match.

If you like this guy, I would leave the wreath up for awhile, relationships are more important than things. If you are not into him, and don’t care about the future of the friendship/relationship/whatever it is, then you could move it to the garage. If you do get involved with him, years later, he could still bring up the wreath incident during some argument. “Remember how you got rid of the wreath? You don’t like the gifts I get you!”

The other thing that does not make much sense is if he is coming over that frequently, one would think he might have greater observational skills regarding your home decor. Or, perhaps, you have confined him to the garden? Or is he a bit self-preoccupied? Or just clueless?

[Ricechex]

I was thinking similarly to Enorah…sounds like he may have something more in mind. Unless he is gay, but garish wreaths and gay guys aren’t usually a match.

If you like this guy, I would leave the wreath up for awhile, relationships are more important than things. If you are not into him, and don’t care about the future of the friendship/relationship/whatever it is, then you could move it to the garage. If you do get involved with him, years later, he could still bring up the wreath incident during some argument. “Remember how you got rid of the wreath? You don’t like the gifts I get you!”

The other thing that does not make much sense is if he is coming over that frequently, one would think he might have greater observational skills regarding your home decor. Or, perhaps, you have confined him to the garden? Or is he a bit self-preoccupied? Or just clueless?

[Ricechex]

I was thinking similarly to Enorah…sounds like he may have something more in mind. Unless he is gay, but garish wreaths and gay guys aren’t usually a match.

If you like this guy, I would leave the wreath up for awhile, relationships are more important than things. If you are not into him, and don’t care about the future of the friendship/relationship/whatever it is, then you could move it to the garage. If you do get involved with him, years later, he could still bring up the wreath incident during some argument. “Remember how you got rid of the wreath? You don’t like the gifts I get you!”

The other thing that does not make much sense is if he is coming over that frequently, one would think he might have greater observational skills regarding your home decor. Or, perhaps, you have confined him to the garden? Or is he a bit self-preoccupied? Or just clueless?

[Ricechex]

I was thinking similarly to Enorah…sounds like he may have something more in mind. Unless he is gay, but garish wreaths and gay guys aren’t usually a match.

If you like this guy, I would leave the wreath up for awhile, relationships are more important than things. If you are not into him, and don’t care about the future of the friendship/relationship/whatever it is, then you could move it to the garage. If you do get involved with him, years later, he could still bring up the wreath incident during some argument. “Remember how you got rid of the wreath? You don’t like the gifts I get you!”

The other thing that does not make much sense is if he is coming over that frequently, one would think he might have greater observational skills regarding your home decor. Or, perhaps, you have confined him to the garden? Or is he a bit self-preoccupied? Or just clueless?

[Ricechex]

I was thinking similarly to Enorah…sounds like he may have something more in mind. Unless he is gay, but garish wreaths and gay guys aren’t usually a match.

If you like this guy, I would leave the wreath up for awhile, relationships are more important than things. If you are not into him, and don’t care about the future of the friendship/relationship/whatever it is, then you could move it to the garage. If you do get involved with him, years later, he could still bring up the wreath incident during some argument. “Remember how you got rid of the wreath? You don’t like the gifts I get you!”

The other thing that does not make much sense is if he is coming over that frequently, one would think he might have greater observational skills regarding your home decor. Or, perhaps, you have confined him to the garden? Or is he a bit self-preoccupied? Or just clueless?

[Ricechex]

Drunkle–the private companies ARE taxpayer run. They just outsource our taxpayer dollars to the private companies.

[Ricechex]

Drunkle–the private companies ARE taxpayer run. They just outsource our taxpayer dollars to the private companies.

[Ricechex]

Drunkle–the private companies ARE taxpayer run. They just outsource our taxpayer dollars to the private companies.

[Ricechex]

Drunkle–the private companies ARE taxpayer run. They just outsource our taxpayer dollars to the private companies.

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