[patientrenter]

hipmatt: “There are currently very minimal consequences for walking away from the home (home owner), and many of them can now be resolved easily (i hear) through a lawyer or other credit repair agency.”

I agree. If we’re both right, and the lenders learn the lesson from that which is now staring them in the face, won’t mortgage rates go through the roof unless the government guarantees repayment? I see very broad govt guarantees of repayment as the next really big step in this saga. That might stop price declines, as the market gets fed nearly unlimited amounts of risky new loans.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

hipmatt: “There are currently very minimal consequences for walking away from the home (home owner), and many of them can now be resolved easily (i hear) through a lawyer or other credit repair agency.”

I agree. If we’re both right, and the lenders learn the lesson from that which is now staring them in the face, won’t mortgage rates go through the roof unless the government guarantees repayment? I see very broad govt guarantees of repayment as the next really big step in this saga. That might stop price declines, as the market gets fed nearly unlimited amounts of risky new loans.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

hipmatt: “There are currently very minimal consequences for walking away from the home (home owner), and many of them can now be resolved easily (i hear) through a lawyer or other credit repair agency.”

I agree. If we’re both right, and the lenders learn the lesson from that which is now staring them in the face, won’t mortgage rates go through the roof unless the government guarantees repayment? I see very broad govt guarantees of repayment as the next really big step in this saga. That might stop price declines, as the market gets fed nearly unlimited amounts of risky new loans.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

hipmatt: “There are currently very minimal consequences for walking away from the home (home owner), and many of them can now be resolved easily (i hear) through a lawyer or other credit repair agency.”

I agree. If we’re both right, and the lenders learn the lesson from that which is now staring them in the face, won’t mortgage rates go through the roof unless the government guarantees repayment? I see very broad govt guarantees of repayment as the next really big step in this saga. That might stop price declines, as the market gets fed nearly unlimited amounts of risky new loans.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

Does anyone else recall when Jumby first started posting, versus when this RatherOpinionated guy showed up? [I.e. Is there circumstancial evidence that they are one and the same person?]

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

Does anyone else recall when Jumby first started posting, versus when this RatherOpinionated guy showed up? [I.e. Is there circumstancial evidence that they are one and the same person?]

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

Does anyone else recall when Jumby first started posting, versus when this RatherOpinionated guy showed up? [I.e. Is there circumstancial evidence that they are one and the same person?]

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

Does anyone else recall when Jumby first started posting, versus when this RatherOpinionated guy showed up? [I.e. Is there circumstancial evidence that they are one and the same person?]

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

Does anyone else recall when Jumby first started posting, versus when this RatherOpinionated guy showed up? [I.e. Is there circumstancial evidence that they are one and the same person?]

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

I’d forgotten about Bruce Norris, BobS. Prompted by your post here, I just listened to his KTIE interviews with a (good solid) broker specializing in REOs, and with Chris Thornberg. Bruce (and his interviewees) seem smart and straightforward. I live in OC, so it’s too far for me to go, but it’s almost tempting enough to drive down.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

I’d forgotten about Bruce Norris, BobS. Prompted by your post here, I just listened to his KTIE interviews with a (good solid) broker specializing in REOs, and with Chris Thornberg. Bruce (and his interviewees) seem smart and straightforward. I live in OC, so it’s too far for me to go, but it’s almost tempting enough to drive down.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

I’d forgotten about Bruce Norris, BobS. Prompted by your post here, I just listened to his KTIE interviews with a (good solid) broker specializing in REOs, and with Chris Thornberg. Bruce (and his interviewees) seem smart and straightforward. I live in OC, so it’s too far for me to go, but it’s almost tempting enough to drive down.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

I’d forgotten about Bruce Norris, BobS. Prompted by your post here, I just listened to his KTIE interviews with a (good solid) broker specializing in REOs, and with Chris Thornberg. Bruce (and his interviewees) seem smart and straightforward. I live in OC, so it’s too far for me to go, but it’s almost tempting enough to drive down.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

I’d forgotten about Bruce Norris, BobS. Prompted by your post here, I just listened to his KTIE interviews with a (good solid) broker specializing in REOs, and with Chris Thornberg. Bruce (and his interviewees) seem smart and straightforward. I live in OC, so it’s too far for me to go, but it’s almost tempting enough to drive down.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

NeetaT, I think there WERE, in the past, some differences between buying a home and making any other investment. In the past, home prices were a much lower % of incomes, and most of the decision about how much to spend on a home was connected with how nice a place you wanted vs how much of your income you wanted to spend on it.

In recent times, buying a home for most people means paying a price that is many, many multiples of their discretionary after-tax income. Therefore, it has become more of a speculative asset purchase in places like So Ca. With loans offering less than 20% down and low initial monthly payments, it’s even done with extreme leverage, so it’s become an EXTREMELY speculative transaction.

Your emerging market investment may not be any more risky than a typical home purchase, especially if it’s for less than a typical home’s price. If homes could be bought and sold on an open market like the stock markets, then the price you’d get for selling a home within 10 seconds might indeed go up and down as much as the stock market. The market for homes is not very liquid/efficient, so you can’t see the second-by-second impact on prices of sentiment and market information. In other words, the underlying volatility of the market for homes may be just as high, but no one tells their agent to sell their home in 10 seconds, so the impact of the volatility is not as obvious. If you were to sell your stocks using the same method you use to sell a house, fixing a price and waiting a few months at a time to see if it sells at that price, then the stock market wouldn’t seem as volatile as it does.

Finally, NeetaT, I would suggest not investing in “hot markets”. If prices in a stock market segment (like emerging) have gone up 400% in 3 years, then you should exercise the same caution you would for real estate that’s gone up by 400% in a short time. Maybe find something less trendy. You seem to have gone from the most cautious investment – CDs and the like – to volatile “hot” stock funds in one step. Why not aim to diversify by buying, slowly, various stocks/funds that are focused on different things, and maybe emphasize dividends to give you a back-up reward in case prices go down?

Patient renter in OC

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