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Participant[quote=ucodegen][quote=spdrun]ucodegen — it would have been shockingly easy for (intelligence agency of choice) to transport a virus like COVID-19 undetected, even into somewhere like China.[/quote]
You are forgetting that China is a surveillance state, with multiple inspection points (checkpoints along the roads) and use of face recognition for tracking people. China also has no equivalent of the US’s 4th Amendment. Your cell phones are even inspected for content and sometimes tracking and spyware end up being installed.[quote=spdrun]
The low lethality would be a feature, not a bug, assuming the goal was to shut down economies, not to cause a massive amount of deaths.[/quote]
It might, however low lethality would make it more of a terror weapon than tactical or strategic. The US has enough experience with working on creating bioweapons that it avoids those that are highly communicable. Highly communicable diseases can not be controlled. They end up killing both sides.
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It’s also apparently stable in feces, urine, and liquid culture medium for 24 hours at room temperature. Sounds like it could have been brought to China in a Snapple or Gatorade bottle…https://www.who.int/csr/sars/survival_2003_05_04/en/
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Your reference is for SARS, not COVID-19. A quote on your SARS example.This would indicate that the virus is more stable than the known human coronaviruses under these conditions.
Which would indicate that most coronaviruses are not as stable as SARS.
China also inspects for ‘Unsanitary Foodstuffs’ on entry, which is banned ref. I would say that faeces and urine would be considered unsanitary foodstuffs. BTW, a liquid container exceeding 2oz is not even allowed on aircraft these days, not even in the US. Even 2 oz containers going onto an aircraft are subject to sample testing. The containers you mentioned are the same size needed to make a reasonably sized bomb containing a compound called HMTD or TATP. These two compounds are part of the reason why there is a 2 oz limit on liquids on an aircraft. ‘Anonymous’ containers are watched these days. Unlike the US, if the Chinese find you transporting such a compound – the result is a bit more fatal to the one transporting than it would be in other countries. They are also more likely to find it ‘in-country’ than the US.
[quote=spdrun]Note that I’m NOT saying that COVID-19 is a bioweapon, just that smuggling a low-lethality weaponized virus into China would have been less difficult than you make it seem.[/quote]
I did not state that it was not impossible to deliver such a weapon, however not as easy as many people think – nor as easy as it would be in the US. Nothing is impossible to the truly dedicated though.[/quote]The best container would be a human one.
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[quote=svelte]If the stock market keeps tanking, if production lines stay closed, if thousands of people die, people may re-think whether his cuts to the CDC and other programs were such a wise thing and whether four years of Trump have left them better than before.[/quote]
Just so there’s no confusion, you 2 are claiming that Trump has caused and/or exacerbated the coronavirus by cutting the CDC budget and elimination of a pandemic response team.
Care to provide a link with the data to support this claim?[/quote]
I did not state that, you put words in my mouth. I stated people may re-think whether cuts to the CDC were a good idea. They may come to the conclusion that it made the coronavirus spread worse, whether or not that has any basis in fact.
Personally, I think the whole coronavirus thing is overblown. Only the very old or those with medical conditions are dying, for the most part. We could say the same thing about the flu.
The worst part would be dealing with the illness and, at least if it continues, the isolation for two weeks.
I’m still going out to all the places I normally go, taking the trips I normally take, leading my normal life.[/quote]
What we dont want is for the coronavirus to become a seasonal illness like the flu. Imagine getting the flu and then coronavirus then another strain of flu all in one season.
ParticipantNew case in Santa Clara county. Person did not travel to known outbreak areas or come into contact with sick person.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/28/santa-clara-county-announces-new-coronavirus-case/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueParticipant[quote=spdrun]Is there any proof of the unsubstantiated rumors?[/quote]
I dont know about any rumors but I do know that official messaging about the virus is going to get a lot rosier.
ParticipantI stocked up so when I am stricken, which is inevitable, I wont have to go or send anyone while I am sick.
ParticipantPence is in charge now lol.
ParticipantI can see healthcare workers spreading it soon. Hell I and 4 others got influenza A right after the xmas party even though we all got the flu shot. I wonder if it can sojourn in our local fauna.
ParticipantI would like an effective vaccine please- something better than what we have for influenza!
ParticipantLots more pandemic talk recently- social media will soon be the only way people get together. Buy stock in the Pigg!
Participant[quote=spdrun]How is wanting the same level of public services as other developed economies “fringy?” They’re all moderates by developed-country standards.
“Fringy” would be calling for nationalization of industries.[/quote]
For us public services expansion is fringy- might it have something to do with megachurches in swing states and prosperity gospel? Overheard one churchgoing coworker declare” I dont want anyone that’s going to bring socialism, well except for the things I need.”
ParticipantThey all look lame and fringy actually and stand no chance at all against trump if the economy stays decent.
ParticipantI keep imagining what would happen if this was the zombie virus.
ParticipantMy kids say track is the most fun, especially the meets cause the in between events time is just hanging with their friends. Basketball and other team sports can have a lot of undeserved favoritism and hidden agendas.
Participant[quote=flu]one good thing to come out of this virus is it just shows how ugly and corrupt the Chinese government has become. But many of us already new that. The ones that weren’t blindsided by the state media’s propaganda machines.
In a place where you can make yourself dictator for life anything is possible.
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