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[quote=UCGal]I would never buy directly under a power line for strictly anecdotal reasons. Your mileage may vary.

The following is NOT scientific… the sample size is too small. It is a family of 5.

The house I spent my first 4.5 years in was at 3996 Canning Street, in Clairemont.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3996+canning+ave,+san+diego,+ca+92111&hl=en&ll=32.813536,-117.183791&spn=0.005654,0.009302&sll=32.813411,-117.183786&sspn=0.00403,0.004651&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=32.813415,-117.183788&panoid=l3-tgD4mN7dHHc___R45hg&cbp=12,258.46,,0,4.46

It backed up to a power line.

My brother lived there 6.5 years. My sister and parents, 7 years.

No one got Leukemia.

However…

My mother was the first to go – got ovarian cancer and died in her mid 60’s. Sad but not suspicious.

My brother got Melanoma in college. Again not suspicious… Skin cancer, even this deadly form, is typically associated with too much sun. We grew up in CA before sunscreen was widely used. It was surgically removed, but he had a lymph node issue in his 30’s that they suspect was metastatic. Again, surgery solved the problem. At age 48, out of the blue, he got a very aggressive, very rare, neuroendicrine carcinoma. (Not to be confused with it’s more common, less aggressive cousin, neuroendicrine carcinoid… this one is rare, and kills quickly). Healthy in July (rode his bike in “Ride the Rockies” in June and “Tour de Wyoming” in July. Multi day rides)… in the hospital in August, dead before Christmas. It is VERY unusual to have two separate, unrelated malignancies.

My father had prostate cancer in his mid 50’s. Again, not unusual. Most men, if they live long enough, will get prostate cancer… if nothing else gets them first. It was dealt with and he was “cured”. Then he got multiple myeloma – a type of blood cancer. He and my brother both learned they had their second cancers within one week of each other in late August 2007. My dad was dead 2 months later. They died 2 months apart. (Fall 2007 sucked for our family).

Did I mention that multiple malignancies are rare?

Family of five that lived under power lines. 3 are dead. 5 cancers between the 3. My sister and I get various screening tests frequently and I paid (not covered by insurance) to make sure I don’t have the BRCA gene.

I can’t say with certainty that the power line caused my family to be a cancer cluster. But I can’t say for certainty they didn’t play a factor.

I’ve heard the theory about cells breaking down, triggering leukemia. I’ve also heard a theory that the dust (normal dust) gets charged – and you breathe it in… so perhaps it’s charged dust that is the problem. Perhaps there’s no issue at all. I can’t say.

All of this is pure anectdote. Might be entirely coincidence. But look at the link I posted – look at the power lines. Even if the odds are small… do you want to risk it?[/quote]

very sorry to hear about your family history.

I think the only reason why there has been nothing conclusive in regard to EMF effects is there has to be that “genetic predisposition” that would make one’s DNA more susceptible to DNA breakage from EMF. Thus the infamous: the cause is “multifactorial.”

And if there’s no prior generations living adjacent to high voltage fields, there’s no way you would know if your family will be the one affected.

Chances are none of the folks living on Shadetree will have any one diagnosed with cancer or leukemia, but who would want to risk being the family that might have the type of genetic predisposition to be harmed by it.

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[quote=UCGal]I would never buy directly under a power line for strictly anecdotal reasons. Your mileage may vary.

The following is NOT scientific… the sample size is too small. It is a family of 5.

The house I spent my first 4.5 years in was at 3996 Canning Street, in Clairemont.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3996+canning+ave,+san+diego,+ca+92111&hl=en&ll=32.813536,-117.183791&spn=0.005654,0.009302&sll=32.813411,-117.183786&sspn=0.00403,0.004651&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=32.813415,-117.183788&panoid=l3-tgD4mN7dHHc___R45hg&cbp=12,258.46,,0,4.46

It backed up to a power line.

My brother lived there 6.5 years. My sister and parents, 7 years.

No one got Leukemia.

However…

My mother was the first to go – got ovarian cancer and died in her mid 60’s. Sad but not suspicious.

My brother got Melanoma in college. Again not suspicious… Skin cancer, even this deadly form, is typically associated with too much sun. We grew up in CA before sunscreen was widely used. It was surgically removed, but he had a lymph node issue in his 30’s that they suspect was metastatic. Again, surgery solved the problem. At age 48, out of the blue, he got a very aggressive, very rare, neuroendicrine carcinoma. (Not to be confused with it’s more common, less aggressive cousin, neuroendicrine carcinoid… this one is rare, and kills quickly). Healthy in July (rode his bike in “Ride the Rockies” in June and “Tour de Wyoming” in July. Multi day rides)… in the hospital in August, dead before Christmas. It is VERY unusual to have two separate, unrelated malignancies.

My father had prostate cancer in his mid 50’s. Again, not unusual. Most men, if they live long enough, will get prostate cancer… if nothing else gets them first. It was dealt with and he was “cured”. Then he got multiple myeloma – a type of blood cancer. He and my brother both learned they had their second cancers within one week of each other in late August 2007. My dad was dead 2 months later. They died 2 months apart. (Fall 2007 sucked for our family).

Did I mention that multiple malignancies are rare?

Family of five that lived under power lines. 3 are dead. 5 cancers between the 3. My sister and I get various screening tests frequently and I paid (not covered by insurance) to make sure I don’t have the BRCA gene.

I can’t say with certainty that the power line caused my family to be a cancer cluster. But I can’t say for certainty they didn’t play a factor.

I’ve heard the theory about cells breaking down, triggering leukemia. I’ve also heard a theory that the dust (normal dust) gets charged – and you breathe it in… so perhaps it’s charged dust that is the problem. Perhaps there’s no issue at all. I can’t say.

All of this is pure anectdote. Might be entirely coincidence. But look at the link I posted – look at the power lines. Even if the odds are small… do you want to risk it?[/quote]

very sorry to hear about your family history.

I think the only reason why there has been nothing conclusive in regard to EMF effects is there has to be that “genetic predisposition” that would make one’s DNA more susceptible to DNA breakage from EMF. Thus the infamous: the cause is “multifactorial.”

And if there’s no prior generations living adjacent to high voltage fields, there’s no way you would know if your family will be the one affected.

Chances are none of the folks living on Shadetree will have any one diagnosed with cancer or leukemia, but who would want to risk being the family that might have the type of genetic predisposition to be harmed by it.

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This is directly from the National Cancer Institute:

“To estimate more accurately the risks of leukemia in children from magnetic fields resulting from power lines, researchers pooled (combined) data from many studies. In one pooled study that combined nine well-conducted studies from several countries, including a study from the NCI, a twofold excess risk of childhood leukemia was associated with exposure to magnetic fields above 0.4 µT (6). In another pooled study that combined 15 studies, a similar increased risk was seen above 0.3 µT (7).” http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/magnetic-fields

So far the only possible link out there is to childhood leukemia. There is no other connections seen with adult cancers. Possible mechanism is through spontaneous DNA breaks, thus creating increased change of mutation that lead to leukemia. Apparently some ethnic groups such as Hispanics may be more susceptible to effect of EMF because of inherent genetic variations.

I would find out from SDG&E what level µT is on those lines. But in general the best distance is at least 500 feet away, and all of the homes on Shadetree are 250 ft away at best.

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This is directly from the National Cancer Institute:

“To estimate more accurately the risks of leukemia in children from magnetic fields resulting from power lines, researchers pooled (combined) data from many studies. In one pooled study that combined nine well-conducted studies from several countries, including a study from the NCI, a twofold excess risk of childhood leukemia was associated with exposure to magnetic fields above 0.4 µT (6). In another pooled study that combined 15 studies, a similar increased risk was seen above 0.3 µT (7).” http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/magnetic-fields

So far the only possible link out there is to childhood leukemia. There is no other connections seen with adult cancers. Possible mechanism is through spontaneous DNA breaks, thus creating increased change of mutation that lead to leukemia. Apparently some ethnic groups such as Hispanics may be more susceptible to effect of EMF because of inherent genetic variations.

I would find out from SDG&E what level µT is on those lines. But in general the best distance is at least 500 feet away, and all of the homes on Shadetree are 250 ft away at best.

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This is directly from the National Cancer Institute:

“To estimate more accurately the risks of leukemia in children from magnetic fields resulting from power lines, researchers pooled (combined) data from many studies. In one pooled study that combined nine well-conducted studies from several countries, including a study from the NCI, a twofold excess risk of childhood leukemia was associated with exposure to magnetic fields above 0.4 µT (6). In another pooled study that combined 15 studies, a similar increased risk was seen above 0.3 µT (7).” http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/magnetic-fields

So far the only possible link out there is to childhood leukemia. There is no other connections seen with adult cancers. Possible mechanism is through spontaneous DNA breaks, thus creating increased change of mutation that lead to leukemia. Apparently some ethnic groups such as Hispanics may be more susceptible to effect of EMF because of inherent genetic variations.

I would find out from SDG&E what level µT is on those lines. But in general the best distance is at least 500 feet away, and all of the homes on Shadetree are 250 ft away at best.

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This is directly from the National Cancer Institute:

“To estimate more accurately the risks of leukemia in children from magnetic fields resulting from power lines, researchers pooled (combined) data from many studies. In one pooled study that combined nine well-conducted studies from several countries, including a study from the NCI, a twofold excess risk of childhood leukemia was associated with exposure to magnetic fields above 0.4 µT (6). In another pooled study that combined 15 studies, a similar increased risk was seen above 0.3 µT (7).” http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/magnetic-fields

So far the only possible link out there is to childhood leukemia. There is no other connections seen with adult cancers. Possible mechanism is through spontaneous DNA breaks, thus creating increased change of mutation that lead to leukemia. Apparently some ethnic groups such as Hispanics may be more susceptible to effect of EMF because of inherent genetic variations.

I would find out from SDG&E what level µT is on those lines. But in general the best distance is at least 500 feet away, and all of the homes on Shadetree are 250 ft away at best.

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This is directly from the National Cancer Institute:

“To estimate more accurately the risks of leukemia in children from magnetic fields resulting from power lines, researchers pooled (combined) data from many studies. In one pooled study that combined nine well-conducted studies from several countries, including a study from the NCI, a twofold excess risk of childhood leukemia was associated with exposure to magnetic fields above 0.4 µT (6). In another pooled study that combined 15 studies, a similar increased risk was seen above 0.3 µT (7).” http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/magnetic-fields

So far the only possible link out there is to childhood leukemia. There is no other connections seen with adult cancers. Possible mechanism is through spontaneous DNA breaks, thus creating increased change of mutation that lead to leukemia. Apparently some ethnic groups such as Hispanics may be more susceptible to effect of EMF because of inherent genetic variations.

I would find out from SDG&E what level µT is on those lines. But in general the best distance is at least 500 feet away, and all of the homes on Shadetree are 250 ft away at best.

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[quote=kcal09]Notice of Default was recorded on 7/11/11. Default amount is $87k.
Purchase amount was indeed $1.5 million, I would estimate that the owner put in another $150-200k in upgrades and landscaping.[/quote]

Looks like the house has been on the market for a whole year, presumed contingent most of the time. The buyer probably found something else and dropped them like a bad habit.

I do believe the buyer will likely have to end up paying the unpaid property tax.

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[quote=kcal09]Notice of Default was recorded on 7/11/11. Default amount is $87k.
Purchase amount was indeed $1.5 million, I would estimate that the owner put in another $150-200k in upgrades and landscaping.[/quote]

Looks like the house has been on the market for a whole year, presumed contingent most of the time. The buyer probably found something else and dropped them like a bad habit.

I do believe the buyer will likely have to end up paying the unpaid property tax.

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[quote=kcal09]Notice of Default was recorded on 7/11/11. Default amount is $87k.
Purchase amount was indeed $1.5 million, I would estimate that the owner put in another $150-200k in upgrades and landscaping.[/quote]

Looks like the house has been on the market for a whole year, presumed contingent most of the time. The buyer probably found something else and dropped them like a bad habit.

I do believe the buyer will likely have to end up paying the unpaid property tax.

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[quote=kcal09]Notice of Default was recorded on 7/11/11. Default amount is $87k.
Purchase amount was indeed $1.5 million, I would estimate that the owner put in another $150-200k in upgrades and landscaping.[/quote]

Looks like the house has been on the market for a whole year, presumed contingent most of the time. The buyer probably found something else and dropped them like a bad habit.

I do believe the buyer will likely have to end up paying the unpaid property tax.

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[quote=kcal09]Notice of Default was recorded on 7/11/11. Default amount is $87k.
Purchase amount was indeed $1.5 million, I would estimate that the owner put in another $150-200k in upgrades and landscaping.[/quote]

Looks like the house has been on the market for a whole year, presumed contingent most of the time. The buyer probably found something else and dropped them like a bad habit.

I do believe the buyer will likely have to end up paying the unpaid property tax.

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[quote=familyguy]I took a quick drive by that place on the way home from work yesterday. I will say that it looks from the outside like the seller may be in a bit of distress. I say this based on the little signs such as, the flower beds are in poor shape and look like they haven’t been mulched in well over a year. There were mushrooms growing throughout a portion of the front lawn. Existing landscaped appeared to be unkept, etc.

That said, I would assume (yes I am assuming here) that if the seller was interested in putting on the best presentation in an effort to overcome the power lines, those issues could be taken care of for under 1k. That says to me they simply don’t have the extra 1k laying around and may really need to sell. I hope thats not the case as I don’t wish home distress on anyone, but that’s my observation.

Piggy backing on that thought, how about the house that sits on the corner of Stonecroft Terrance and Stonebridge Parkway…the power lines literally hang DIRECTLY over top of this persons property. So to go along with the hideous front landscaping they put in, they also have front row seats to the power cables overhanging their lot. Yikes![/quote]

btw, zillow shows a house on shadetree in the foreclosure process. it may be this one.

incredible, someone actually paid $1.44 mil during the peak on shadetree with the high voltage lines right adjacent.

there’s actually a plot of land at that Stonecroft and Stonebridge corner with the lines overhead crisscrossing the property. At least they didn’t decide to build on that lot. you got to wonder if the bubble kept going the builder might have just get tempted enough to build a house there.

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[quote=familyguy]I took a quick drive by that place on the way home from work yesterday. I will say that it looks from the outside like the seller may be in a bit of distress. I say this based on the little signs such as, the flower beds are in poor shape and look like they haven’t been mulched in well over a year. There were mushrooms growing throughout a portion of the front lawn. Existing landscaped appeared to be unkept, etc.

That said, I would assume (yes I am assuming here) that if the seller was interested in putting on the best presentation in an effort to overcome the power lines, those issues could be taken care of for under 1k. That says to me they simply don’t have the extra 1k laying around and may really need to sell. I hope thats not the case as I don’t wish home distress on anyone, but that’s my observation.

Piggy backing on that thought, how about the house that sits on the corner of Stonecroft Terrance and Stonebridge Parkway…the power lines literally hang DIRECTLY over top of this persons property. So to go along with the hideous front landscaping they put in, they also have front row seats to the power cables overhanging their lot. Yikes![/quote]

btw, zillow shows a house on shadetree in the foreclosure process. it may be this one.

incredible, someone actually paid $1.44 mil during the peak on shadetree with the high voltage lines right adjacent.

there’s actually a plot of land at that Stonecroft and Stonebridge corner with the lines overhead crisscrossing the property. At least they didn’t decide to build on that lot. you got to wonder if the bubble kept going the builder might have just get tempted enough to build a house there.

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[quote=familyguy]I took a quick drive by that place on the way home from work yesterday. I will say that it looks from the outside like the seller may be in a bit of distress. I say this based on the little signs such as, the flower beds are in poor shape and look like they haven’t been mulched in well over a year. There were mushrooms growing throughout a portion of the front lawn. Existing landscaped appeared to be unkept, etc.

That said, I would assume (yes I am assuming here) that if the seller was interested in putting on the best presentation in an effort to overcome the power lines, those issues could be taken care of for under 1k. That says to me they simply don’t have the extra 1k laying around and may really need to sell. I hope thats not the case as I don’t wish home distress on anyone, but that’s my observation.

Piggy backing on that thought, how about the house that sits on the corner of Stonecroft Terrance and Stonebridge Parkway…the power lines literally hang DIRECTLY over top of this persons property. So to go along with the hideous front landscaping they put in, they also have front row seats to the power cables overhanging their lot. Yikes![/quote]

btw, zillow shows a house on shadetree in the foreclosure process. it may be this one.

incredible, someone actually paid $1.44 mil during the peak on shadetree with the high voltage lines right adjacent.

there’s actually a plot of land at that Stonecroft and Stonebridge corner with the lines overhead crisscrossing the property. At least they didn’t decide to build on that lot. you got to wonder if the bubble kept going the builder might have just get tempted enough to build a house there.

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