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Participant[quote=kkun]Looking at the brochure at Toll Brothers sales office I thought they are including more stuffs than Serenity (w/o the upgrade fund). Toll Brother lists following as standard:
– 7″ crown moulding
– 4″ baseboards
– Stainless steel appliances
– Granaite countertop with full backsplash behind cooktop
– 12″ X 12″ ceramic tile flooring in kitchen and other areasIs Toll Brother worse than Serenity and other builders in terms of what they include as “standard”?[/quote]
wow, that’s very nice. They actually include crown molding? That’s a new one. 4″ baseboards, very nice.
I don’t think any builders have ever offered crown molding as a standard feature before. Both of these definitely not at Montoro. As for the baseboards at Serenity, I’m not sure.
ask about the rain gutters, that’s very important. Montoro again skipped on that. but it is quite an important feature that a lot of builders now include as standard.
sounds like Tolls is not as barebones as we thought.
Participant[quote=familyguy]Maybe just buying the basic home and upgrading it later is the way to go. More then likely you can get the built ins, flooring, baseboards, etc. much cheaper from a local business, and probably higher quality. Not to mention you don’t have to mortgage the cost of said upgrades over a 30 year period.
To do it over again i would have definitley done minimum builder upgrades and purchased them later as I had the extra cash as opposed to having them lumped into my mortgage. Live and learn I suppose.
Does anyone else see the logic in this approach, or am I missing something?[/quote]
Absolutely. That’s the way to go.
What exactly are we looking at when we say Tolls will be without any upgrades? Is it going to be base orange peel walls? 1 inch baseboards? No rain gutter? Ceramic tile kitchen counter?
Participant[quote=familyguy]Maybe just buying the basic home and upgrading it later is the way to go. More then likely you can get the built ins, flooring, baseboards, etc. much cheaper from a local business, and probably higher quality. Not to mention you don’t have to mortgage the cost of said upgrades over a 30 year period.
To do it over again i would have definitley done minimum builder upgrades and purchased them later as I had the extra cash as opposed to having them lumped into my mortgage. Live and learn I suppose.
Does anyone else see the logic in this approach, or am I missing something?[/quote]
Absolutely. That’s the way to go.
What exactly are we looking at when we say Tolls will be without any upgrades? Is it going to be base orange peel walls? 1 inch baseboards? No rain gutter? Ceramic tile kitchen counter?
Participant[quote=familyguy]Maybe just buying the basic home and upgrading it later is the way to go. More then likely you can get the built ins, flooring, baseboards, etc. much cheaper from a local business, and probably higher quality. Not to mention you don’t have to mortgage the cost of said upgrades over a 30 year period.
To do it over again i would have definitley done minimum builder upgrades and purchased them later as I had the extra cash as opposed to having them lumped into my mortgage. Live and learn I suppose.
Does anyone else see the logic in this approach, or am I missing something?[/quote]
Absolutely. That’s the way to go.
What exactly are we looking at when we say Tolls will be without any upgrades? Is it going to be base orange peel walls? 1 inch baseboards? No rain gutter? Ceramic tile kitchen counter?
Participant[quote=familyguy]Maybe just buying the basic home and upgrading it later is the way to go. More then likely you can get the built ins, flooring, baseboards, etc. much cheaper from a local business, and probably higher quality. Not to mention you don’t have to mortgage the cost of said upgrades over a 30 year period.
To do it over again i would have definitley done minimum builder upgrades and purchased them later as I had the extra cash as opposed to having them lumped into my mortgage. Live and learn I suppose.
Does anyone else see the logic in this approach, or am I missing something?[/quote]
Absolutely. That’s the way to go.
What exactly are we looking at when we say Tolls will be without any upgrades? Is it going to be base orange peel walls? 1 inch baseboards? No rain gutter? Ceramic tile kitchen counter?
Participant[quote=familyguy]Maybe just buying the basic home and upgrading it later is the way to go. More then likely you can get the built ins, flooring, baseboards, etc. much cheaper from a local business, and probably higher quality. Not to mention you don’t have to mortgage the cost of said upgrades over a 30 year period.
To do it over again i would have definitley done minimum builder upgrades and purchased them later as I had the extra cash as opposed to having them lumped into my mortgage. Live and learn I suppose.
Does anyone else see the logic in this approach, or am I missing something?[/quote]
Absolutely. That’s the way to go.
What exactly are we looking at when we say Tolls will be without any upgrades? Is it going to be base orange peel walls? 1 inch baseboards? No rain gutter? Ceramic tile kitchen counter?
Participant[quote=familyguy]Maybe I am just hoping it isn’t true (from an owners standpoint) but I just can’t imagine the bank would accept 895k for that house.[/quote]
I’m of the opinion that banks should get aggressive, take the loss now, get folks into houses at prices they can actually afford. This type of cleansing is actually much better for a neighborhood.
Participant[quote=familyguy]Maybe I am just hoping it isn’t true (from an owners standpoint) but I just can’t imagine the bank would accept 895k for that house.[/quote]
I’m of the opinion that banks should get aggressive, take the loss now, get folks into houses at prices they can actually afford. This type of cleansing is actually much better for a neighborhood.
Participant[quote=familyguy]Maybe I am just hoping it isn’t true (from an owners standpoint) but I just can’t imagine the bank would accept 895k for that house.[/quote]
I’m of the opinion that banks should get aggressive, take the loss now, get folks into houses at prices they can actually afford. This type of cleansing is actually much better for a neighborhood.
Participant[quote=familyguy]Maybe I am just hoping it isn’t true (from an owners standpoint) but I just can’t imagine the bank would accept 895k for that house.[/quote]
I’m of the opinion that banks should get aggressive, take the loss now, get folks into houses at prices they can actually afford. This type of cleansing is actually much better for a neighborhood.
Participant[quote=familyguy]Maybe I am just hoping it isn’t true (from an owners standpoint) but I just can’t imagine the bank would accept 895k for that house.[/quote]
I’m of the opinion that banks should get aggressive, take the loss now, get folks into houses at prices they can actually afford. This type of cleansing is actually much better for a neighborhood.
Participant[quote=UCGal]I would never buy directly under a power line for strictly anecdotal reasons. Your mileage may vary.
The following is NOT scientific… the sample size is too small. It is a family of 5.
The house I spent my first 4.5 years in was at 3996 Canning Street, in Clairemont.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3996+canning+ave,+san+diego,+ca+92111&hl=en&ll=32.813536,-117.183791&spn=0.005654,0.009302&sll=32.813411,-117.183786&sspn=0.00403,0.004651&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=32.813415,-117.183788&panoid=l3-tgD4mN7dHHc___R45hg&cbp=12,258.46,,0,4.46It backed up to a power line.
My brother lived there 6.5 years. My sister and parents, 7 years.
No one got Leukemia.
However…
My mother was the first to go – got ovarian cancer and died in her mid 60’s. Sad but not suspicious.
My brother got Melanoma in college. Again not suspicious… Skin cancer, even this deadly form, is typically associated with too much sun. We grew up in CA before sunscreen was widely used. It was surgically removed, but he had a lymph node issue in his 30’s that they suspect was metastatic. Again, surgery solved the problem. At age 48, out of the blue, he got a very aggressive, very rare, neuroendicrine carcinoma. (Not to be confused with it’s more common, less aggressive cousin, neuroendicrine carcinoid… this one is rare, and kills quickly). Healthy in July (rode his bike in “Ride the Rockies” in June and “Tour de Wyoming” in July. Multi day rides)… in the hospital in August, dead before Christmas. It is VERY unusual to have two separate, unrelated malignancies.
My father had prostate cancer in his mid 50’s. Again, not unusual. Most men, if they live long enough, will get prostate cancer… if nothing else gets them first. It was dealt with and he was “cured”. Then he got multiple myeloma – a type of blood cancer. He and my brother both learned they had their second cancers within one week of each other in late August 2007. My dad was dead 2 months later. They died 2 months apart. (Fall 2007 sucked for our family).
Did I mention that multiple malignancies are rare?
Family of five that lived under power lines. 3 are dead. 5 cancers between the 3. My sister and I get various screening tests frequently and I paid (not covered by insurance) to make sure I don’t have the BRCA gene.
I can’t say with certainty that the power line caused my family to be a cancer cluster. But I can’t say for certainty they didn’t play a factor.
I’ve heard the theory about cells breaking down, triggering leukemia. I’ve also heard a theory that the dust (normal dust) gets charged – and you breathe it in… so perhaps it’s charged dust that is the problem. Perhaps there’s no issue at all. I can’t say.
All of this is pure anectdote. Might be entirely coincidence. But look at the link I posted – look at the power lines. Even if the odds are small… do you want to risk it?[/quote]
very sorry to hear about your family history.
I think the only reason why there has been nothing conclusive in regard to EMF effects is there has to be that “genetic predisposition” that would make one’s DNA more susceptible to DNA breakage from EMF. Thus the infamous: the cause is “multifactorial.”
And if there’s no prior generations living adjacent to high voltage fields, there’s no way you would know if your family will be the one affected.
Chances are none of the folks living on Shadetree will have any one diagnosed with cancer or leukemia, but who would want to risk being the family that might have the type of genetic predisposition to be harmed by it.
Participant[quote=UCGal]I would never buy directly under a power line for strictly anecdotal reasons. Your mileage may vary.
The following is NOT scientific… the sample size is too small. It is a family of 5.
The house I spent my first 4.5 years in was at 3996 Canning Street, in Clairemont.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3996+canning+ave,+san+diego,+ca+92111&hl=en&ll=32.813536,-117.183791&spn=0.005654,0.009302&sll=32.813411,-117.183786&sspn=0.00403,0.004651&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=32.813415,-117.183788&panoid=l3-tgD4mN7dHHc___R45hg&cbp=12,258.46,,0,4.46It backed up to a power line.
My brother lived there 6.5 years. My sister and parents, 7 years.
No one got Leukemia.
However…
My mother was the first to go – got ovarian cancer and died in her mid 60’s. Sad but not suspicious.
My brother got Melanoma in college. Again not suspicious… Skin cancer, even this deadly form, is typically associated with too much sun. We grew up in CA before sunscreen was widely used. It was surgically removed, but he had a lymph node issue in his 30’s that they suspect was metastatic. Again, surgery solved the problem. At age 48, out of the blue, he got a very aggressive, very rare, neuroendicrine carcinoma. (Not to be confused with it’s more common, less aggressive cousin, neuroendicrine carcinoid… this one is rare, and kills quickly). Healthy in July (rode his bike in “Ride the Rockies” in June and “Tour de Wyoming” in July. Multi day rides)… in the hospital in August, dead before Christmas. It is VERY unusual to have two separate, unrelated malignancies.
My father had prostate cancer in his mid 50’s. Again, not unusual. Most men, if they live long enough, will get prostate cancer… if nothing else gets them first. It was dealt with and he was “cured”. Then he got multiple myeloma – a type of blood cancer. He and my brother both learned they had their second cancers within one week of each other in late August 2007. My dad was dead 2 months later. They died 2 months apart. (Fall 2007 sucked for our family).
Did I mention that multiple malignancies are rare?
Family of five that lived under power lines. 3 are dead. 5 cancers between the 3. My sister and I get various screening tests frequently and I paid (not covered by insurance) to make sure I don’t have the BRCA gene.
I can’t say with certainty that the power line caused my family to be a cancer cluster. But I can’t say for certainty they didn’t play a factor.
I’ve heard the theory about cells breaking down, triggering leukemia. I’ve also heard a theory that the dust (normal dust) gets charged – and you breathe it in… so perhaps it’s charged dust that is the problem. Perhaps there’s no issue at all. I can’t say.
All of this is pure anectdote. Might be entirely coincidence. But look at the link I posted – look at the power lines. Even if the odds are small… do you want to risk it?[/quote]
very sorry to hear about your family history.
I think the only reason why there has been nothing conclusive in regard to EMF effects is there has to be that “genetic predisposition” that would make one’s DNA more susceptible to DNA breakage from EMF. Thus the infamous: the cause is “multifactorial.”
And if there’s no prior generations living adjacent to high voltage fields, there’s no way you would know if your family will be the one affected.
Chances are none of the folks living on Shadetree will have any one diagnosed with cancer or leukemia, but who would want to risk being the family that might have the type of genetic predisposition to be harmed by it.
Participant[quote=UCGal]I would never buy directly under a power line for strictly anecdotal reasons. Your mileage may vary.
The following is NOT scientific… the sample size is too small. It is a family of 5.
The house I spent my first 4.5 years in was at 3996 Canning Street, in Clairemont.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3996+canning+ave,+san+diego,+ca+92111&hl=en&ll=32.813536,-117.183791&spn=0.005654,0.009302&sll=32.813411,-117.183786&sspn=0.00403,0.004651&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=32.813415,-117.183788&panoid=l3-tgD4mN7dHHc___R45hg&cbp=12,258.46,,0,4.46It backed up to a power line.
My brother lived there 6.5 years. My sister and parents, 7 years.
No one got Leukemia.
However…
My mother was the first to go – got ovarian cancer and died in her mid 60’s. Sad but not suspicious.
My brother got Melanoma in college. Again not suspicious… Skin cancer, even this deadly form, is typically associated with too much sun. We grew up in CA before sunscreen was widely used. It was surgically removed, but he had a lymph node issue in his 30’s that they suspect was metastatic. Again, surgery solved the problem. At age 48, out of the blue, he got a very aggressive, very rare, neuroendicrine carcinoma. (Not to be confused with it’s more common, less aggressive cousin, neuroendicrine carcinoid… this one is rare, and kills quickly). Healthy in July (rode his bike in “Ride the Rockies” in June and “Tour de Wyoming” in July. Multi day rides)… in the hospital in August, dead before Christmas. It is VERY unusual to have two separate, unrelated malignancies.
My father had prostate cancer in his mid 50’s. Again, not unusual. Most men, if they live long enough, will get prostate cancer… if nothing else gets them first. It was dealt with and he was “cured”. Then he got multiple myeloma – a type of blood cancer. He and my brother both learned they had their second cancers within one week of each other in late August 2007. My dad was dead 2 months later. They died 2 months apart. (Fall 2007 sucked for our family).
Did I mention that multiple malignancies are rare?
Family of five that lived under power lines. 3 are dead. 5 cancers between the 3. My sister and I get various screening tests frequently and I paid (not covered by insurance) to make sure I don’t have the BRCA gene.
I can’t say with certainty that the power line caused my family to be a cancer cluster. But I can’t say for certainty they didn’t play a factor.
I’ve heard the theory about cells breaking down, triggering leukemia. I’ve also heard a theory that the dust (normal dust) gets charged – and you breathe it in… so perhaps it’s charged dust that is the problem. Perhaps there’s no issue at all. I can’t say.
All of this is pure anectdote. Might be entirely coincidence. But look at the link I posted – look at the power lines. Even if the odds are small… do you want to risk it?[/quote]
very sorry to hear about your family history.
I think the only reason why there has been nothing conclusive in regard to EMF effects is there has to be that “genetic predisposition” that would make one’s DNA more susceptible to DNA breakage from EMF. Thus the infamous: the cause is “multifactorial.”
And if there’s no prior generations living adjacent to high voltage fields, there’s no way you would know if your family will be the one affected.
Chances are none of the folks living on Shadetree will have any one diagnosed with cancer or leukemia, but who would want to risk being the family that might have the type of genetic predisposition to be harmed by it.
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