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But my beef is the way the media circus *cough*
CNN *cough* earlier was trying to spin things (until they actually removed it after dozens or so of us complained about it)..One of which was “Biker attack video: Who is the real victim? – CNN.com”…Ways that were completely unimaginable. Reading it sounded nothing like journalism but instead the National Enquirer. There was even a nice gem of a quote from a “witness” ” the SUV was driven by a Chinese madman”…Ok..So excuse the asian driving jokes aside here. And excuse the person who said it. CNN editors don’t have an issue with running quote like that? Really? Wait, CNN constantly run articles about ethnic diversity and racial sensitivity..And here is same organisation that doesn’t know any better at a time of a horrific event? This isn’t the National Enquirer. It’s suppose to be CNN. And it happened a few times. Not just once.

Funny thing is if you try to go to the link now, it goes to suddenly a “cleaned” up version that now actually just points to real factual news reporting after several of us bitched about it to the editors…finally…

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Did not know about CNN’s racist comments.

And what’s up with assuming his Chinese. I don’t see the media jumping the gun and saying a Mexican man was spotted driving erratically or there goes a Norwegian on a bike. How they managed to figure out he is Chinese when all I was able to conclude by video footage was he’s Asian is beyond me.

Perhaps CNN is a victim of the political polarization. As they were trying to stay in the center, they ended up losing most of the audience to Faux or MSNBC. But then they got desperate and started pendering to sensationalism, the result is now they have no one watching except captive airport passengers.

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I heard about this incidence earlier this week, just went through the various videos and news articles as well as the posts on this thread.

1. The initial contact was intentional on the part of the now arrested biker Christopher Cruz. Video evidence is solid here. He break checked the SUV hard, forcing contact. Rest of the biker gang then started to crowd around the SUV to intimidate. The tire slashing occurred here as well.

2. Actual intent of the break check to draw contact is not known. Two possibilities, one is simply they were annoyed he did not move to the side of the road and allow the “Hollywood Stuntz” crew to own the entire highway, the other possibility was they targeted him for a shake down fee because of the luxury SUV.

3. There was zero evidence that Lien actively provoked the bikers. Also zero evidence that Lien previously drove around provoking cyclists.

4. Plenty of video evidence of past behaviors of intimidating drivers as well as reckless stunts and shutting down the public roadway for their own pleasure on the part of the same Hollywood Stuntz crew.

5. Public opinion is OVERWHELMINGLY in favor of Lien and his family. The comments on the facebook page “justice for jay meezee” are about 95% pro-Lien.

6. The police so far are completely on the side of Lien as the victim. They fully understand he was in FEAR and had every right to do what he did. They are continuing to search for more arrests involving the biker gang.

7. The bystanders were the true heros. While Lien was being pulled out of the SUV, his wife and child were in the process of getting pulled out by the bikers. The bystanders saved them and ultimately saved Lien. New Yorkers do come to each other’s aid afterall.

8. The low lifes will bully and intimidate when they can, but when they are down they will play victims. That’s just how low lifes work. Here, elsewhere, past and present. That’s not going to change.

9. There will always be attorneys willing to represent low lifes. That Gloria Allred stepped up to the plate should suprise no one.

10. Race, politics, Faux News, liberals vs conservatives play zero role in this story.

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[quote=6packscaredy]Is this toic like the N word. Are Jews only allowed to praise the group as more successful amongst themselves?[/quote]

I think it gets sensitive because most of the comments about Jewish success is followed by how they somehow manipulated the system to get to where they are. Like somehow there’s some huge Jewish conspiracy or some type of negative trait that allowed them to get to where they are. Kinda like the premise of this very thread.

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[quote=6packscaredy]Personally my heart gladdens when a white supremacist hires a Jewish lawyer.[/quote]

and gets operated on by a Sikh surgeon who he thought was an Arab.

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I do agree geopolitically there is a benefit. Although the key here is still the fact that Israel is a Jewish state. As America is a Christian state, within the intra-Abrahamic struggle for dominance, who controls the holy land does matter greatly. I think this religious alliance is far stronger a tie than even the cold war/capitalist vs communist alliances.[/quote]

America is a Christian state? Who knew?[/quote]

America is only nominally secular. This country has a lot of church/state infringements that a truly secular society would never tolerate.

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What do all septic tank pumpers have in common among themselves and also with all prior septic tank pumpers over +20 years and also in common with the all of the septic tank makers?

Tip: They are all part of a group representing about 2% of the U.S. population.

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[quote=6packscaredy]Personally I’m more of a diaspora guy. Israel scares me. Just looks on the map like a good spot for a us base.[/quote]

I do agree geopolitically there is a benefit. Although the key here is still the fact that Israel is a Jewish state. As America is a Christian state, within the intra-Abrahamic struggle for dominance, who controls the holy land does matter greatly. I think this religious alliance is far stronger a tie than even the cold war/capitalist vs communist alliances.

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[quote=6packscaredy]Gosh I’m a Jewish ivy leaguer. I need to get a stranglehold on something.[/quote]

I see the pro-Israel establishment has planted a secret agent within Piggington.

Papa Doug is right, the Jews are controlling everything!!! 🙂

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[quote=6packscaredy]do we only support israel because it’s a jewish state?

or is it location, location, location?[/quote]

Sorry scaredy, answer is because it is Jewish.

Jews are basically white people with Asian work ethics. Because they are counted as whites, they get to basically take over most of the spots reserved for whites under the college quota system disguised as “affirmative action”. The only way to break this Jewish dominance is the destruction of the college quota system currently in place.

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Yellen = Yale and Brown
Summers = Harvard and MIT
Kohn = UM
Fischer = Stanford and Harvard
Geithner = Darmouth

All except one had IVY league education and connection.

What about the supreme court? Every justice is either a Harvard or Yale law school grad.

What about presidents? we have to go back to Reagan to find a non-Ivy League president.

That’s really the key here. Ivy League alumni, for better or worse, are dominating the political landscape. It just so happen that Jews account for 20-40% of the student body on the various campuses of the Ivy league schools, so a dominance by Ivy Leaguers is misinterpreted as a secret global Jewish plot to take over the world.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=ocrenter]
The only place on earth with a lower rate is Australia at 15%.

we know transmission is food borne. And in the US food sanitation still beats other areas on earth.

you go from an area with 1/3 prevalence rate to an area where 90% of the population has the bacteria and we are debating whether the bacteria is picked up here within the US or overseas?[/quote]

I don’t think there is a reason to debate it. The actual transmission locale is not knowable at this point.

Unless there’s some really recent stuff, I don’t know that it’s food borne. There’s been some studies showing an association with yeast, and probably not drinking water, but the most recent stuff I’ve seen indicate that the method of transmission remains a mystery. And if someone has spent most of their life in an area with a 1/3 prevalence rate, acquiring the bacteria is hardly unlikely. It is not a 3rd world issue.[/quote]

never said this is a 3rd world issue. Germany has a much higher rate of colonization compared to rest of western Europe and I would not say it is a 3rd world country. Western Japan has a higher rate compared to the eastern part, western Japan is not more 3rd world. Australia is not more 1st world compared to the US.

I’m not saying there’s zero chance of getting H.pylori with a native born in the US who does zero foreign travel. Simply saying in this single case, chances that ER’s travel to a country with close to 90% prevalence rate is the more likely explanation for the infection.

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I wouldn’t be so sure of that, nor is it of much significance. It’s very common in the US. A 30 to 40% colonization rate is extraordinarily high. The most common human bacterial colonization known. It was only discovered about 30 years ago and its precise method of transmission is still unknown.[/quote]

The only place on earth with a lower rate is Australia at 15%.

we know transmission is food borne. And in the US food sanitation still beats other areas on earth.

you go from an area with 1/3 prevalence rate to an area where 90% of the population has the bacteria and we are debating whether the bacteria is picked up here within the US or overseas?

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[quote=earlyretirement][quote=spdrun]H. Pylori is 30-40% prevalent in Americans — no need to have picked it up while traveling.

Susceptibility is likely more down to genetics and diet than location. Good that you got rid of it; it’s reputed to cause ulcers, at least in some people.[/quote]

Ah.. I didn’t realize it was so prevalent in Americans as well. They said they rarely see it here. I guess because most people are asymptomatic? I’m not sure.

All I know is I’m darn glad they diagnosed it and I can go back to eating In-N-Out burgers and other junk food that I love so much! LOL.

For a while there I didn’t want to eat as there was so much pain all the time. All I know is now I’m back in FULL force clogging up my arteries. It feels good.[/quote]

That peaked my interest so I looked up prevalence rate per the world GI organization (WGO). Yes US and Western Europe are at 30-40%, Asia is at 60-70%, Latin America and Africa are more like 80-90%. So while it is possible to simply just get Hpylori in the US, if a native born US citizen was in Latin America or Africa for a few years, came back and got diagnosed, I’ll put my money on him getting the bacteria from the travel instead of from the US.

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it’s just a way to try to manage “overusers” of the system.[/quote]

Yup. If there was no cost to going to the doctor, people would be there everyday.[/quote]

Maybe few. But people mostly avoid doctors. Waiting in the waiting room followed by some more waiting in the cubicle combined with increased chances of leaving sick is not appealing to everyone.

IMO there should be few no-copay visits/year in addition to the one annual well-check, especially for kids. Once I was forced to bring 3rd kid to see the doctor a couple of days after the other two were diagnosed with stomach flu and given some anti-nausea medicine. I had to leave the office, drag the sick kid around for a 30 second chat with the doctor and pay $50 for the pleasure. She got the same medicine the other two got.[/quote]

you are right, just a few, but that few soaks up a lot of resources from the rest of us.

agree, stomach flu and cold and flu, you are WAY better off just staying home, doctors can’t do anything for you anyway.

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[quote=no_such_reality]I’ve found copays highly varied depending on the doctor practice and your insurance. Kaiser is very strict. With HMOs, the Doctors also tend to be more strict. With PPOs, the Doctors offices are a little more careless with collecting or billing.

Other specialty practices will vary depending on the organization level of the office. The larger the practice the more likely to collect.

Finally, the larger the copay, the more likely the office is to collect.

Mid-year the company I work for switched their prescription coverage to a new provider. Tier 1 copay $10, Tier 2 copay $20, Tier 3 copay 50%. Basically any brand name falls into Tier 3 now.[/quote]

the priority of the PPO provider is not the copay from the patient. the priority is maximizing the billing of the insurance company. the patient is just a tool for the PPO provider to use to justify maximum billing. therefore, giving breaks to the patient (including allowing the co-pay to slide) so the patient can stay with the PPO provider and keep coming back, is reasonable.

the HMO/Kaiser provider can’t maximize billing with procedures and tests. Nor is that the primary focus of the biller. So copay enforcement is stricter.

put it to you this way, PPO provider would want the patient to come back everyday if possible. HMO provider would want the patient to never show up.

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