[ocrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]The right solution would be to start over, scrap the current system completely. Do what Taiwan did, research existing systems and implement pieces that work the best.

With all of this talk of socialism, the numbers are simple. Would you switch to socialist Canadian system if it meant Canada level healthcare and saving $4000 per member of you family every year?[/quote]

I think the most important take away from the Taiwan experience is that picking a single payer system does not equal a country is going down that socialist pathway. that’s just how the debate here in this country has morphed into.

in fact, if a government truly is pro-business, it’ll want to support that single payer system. As it would remove the burden of providing care from the employer and allow people the freedom to leave jobs and start new businesses.

[ocrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]The right solution would be to start over, scrap the current system completely. Do what Taiwan did, research existing systems and implement pieces that work the best.

With all of this talk of socialism, the numbers are simple. Would you switch to socialist Canadian system if it meant Canada level healthcare and saving $4000 per member of you family every year?[/quote]

I think the most important take away from the Taiwan experience is that picking a single payer system does not equal a country is going down that socialist pathway. that’s just how the debate here in this country has morphed into.

in fact, if a government truly is pro-business, it’ll want to support that single payer system. As it would remove the burden of providing care from the employer and allow people the freedom to leave jobs and start new businesses.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene][quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.[/quote]

the physicians isn’t the issue.

even at rates of over $400k for the ED MD and the radiologist, the total physician fee for all of the doctors involved was only $1350 for a 5 day admission.

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene][quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.[/quote]

the physicians isn’t the issue.

even at rates of over $400k for the ED MD and the radiologist, the total physician fee for all of the doctors involved was only $1350 for a 5 day admission.

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene][quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.[/quote]

the physicians isn’t the issue.

even at rates of over $400k for the ED MD and the radiologist, the total physician fee for all of the doctors involved was only $1350 for a 5 day admission.

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene][quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.[/quote]

the physicians isn’t the issue.

even at rates of over $400k for the ED MD and the radiologist, the total physician fee for all of the doctors involved was only $1350 for a 5 day admission.

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene][quote=briansd1]
If we bring down health care costs, our whole economy would flourish.[/quote]

If you want to bring down health care costs, start by demanding that politicians increase funding of residency programs.[/quote]

the physicians isn’t the issue.

even at rates of over $400k for the ED MD and the radiologist, the total physician fee for all of the doctors involved was only $1350 for a 5 day admission.

breaking everything down, we can only account for $5000, so where did they get the other $25000 in extra charges? that’s the big question.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]
ocrenter, i hear that specialists in TW make a lot of money because they are few so they can charge lots — like oral/facial surgeons especially if they are trained at top US schools. Cash payments and low malpractice insurance/operating costs.

I know one guy who came here for training and went back. I heard the same about Korea.[/quote]

the physician charges for the ENT surgery was $300. not sure how much they actually bring in yearly.

the point here is backing a single payer system really isn’t about right vs left. we really should not be thinking of it as an entitlement program, but rather a program to bring down outragous cost.

think about it, if the hospital charged the OP $5000 for his father’s visit, he/his father would have paid it. instead, they get billed $30k and they’ll probably just walk away from the bill completely.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]
ocrenter, i hear that specialists in TW make a lot of money because they are few so they can charge lots — like oral/facial surgeons especially if they are trained at top US schools. Cash payments and low malpractice insurance/operating costs.

I know one guy who came here for training and went back. I heard the same about Korea.[/quote]

the physician charges for the ENT surgery was $300. not sure how much they actually bring in yearly.

the point here is backing a single payer system really isn’t about right vs left. we really should not be thinking of it as an entitlement program, but rather a program to bring down outragous cost.

think about it, if the hospital charged the OP $5000 for his father’s visit, he/his father would have paid it. instead, they get billed $30k and they’ll probably just walk away from the bill completely.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]
ocrenter, i hear that specialists in TW make a lot of money because they are few so they can charge lots — like oral/facial surgeons especially if they are trained at top US schools. Cash payments and low malpractice insurance/operating costs.

I know one guy who came here for training and went back. I heard the same about Korea.[/quote]

the physician charges for the ENT surgery was $300. not sure how much they actually bring in yearly.

the point here is backing a single payer system really isn’t about right vs left. we really should not be thinking of it as an entitlement program, but rather a program to bring down outragous cost.

think about it, if the hospital charged the OP $5000 for his father’s visit, he/his father would have paid it. instead, they get billed $30k and they’ll probably just walk away from the bill completely.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]
ocrenter, i hear that specialists in TW make a lot of money because they are few so they can charge lots — like oral/facial surgeons especially if they are trained at top US schools. Cash payments and low malpractice insurance/operating costs.

I know one guy who came here for training and went back. I heard the same about Korea.[/quote]

the physician charges for the ENT surgery was $300. not sure how much they actually bring in yearly.

the point here is backing a single payer system really isn’t about right vs left. we really should not be thinking of it as an entitlement program, but rather a program to bring down outragous cost.

think about it, if the hospital charged the OP $5000 for his father’s visit, he/his father would have paid it. instead, they get billed $30k and they’ll probably just walk away from the bill completely.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]
ocrenter, i hear that specialists in TW make a lot of money because they are few so they can charge lots — like oral/facial surgeons especially if they are trained at top US schools. Cash payments and low malpractice insurance/operating costs.

I know one guy who came here for training and went back. I heard the same about Korea.[/quote]

the physician charges for the ENT surgery was $300. not sure how much they actually bring in yearly.

the point here is backing a single payer system really isn’t about right vs left. we really should not be thinking of it as an entitlement program, but rather a program to bring down outragous cost.

think about it, if the hospital charged the OP $5000 for his father’s visit, he/his father would have paid it. instead, they get billed $30k and they’ll probably just walk away from the bill completely.

[ocrenter]

for routine care, yes, go to Mexico.

this guy’s dad was having a stroke.

Time = Brain cells!

[ocrenter]

for routine care, yes, go to Mexico.

this guy’s dad was having a stroke.

Time = Brain cells!

[ocrenter]

for routine care, yes, go to Mexico.

this guy’s dad was having a stroke.

Time = Brain cells!

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