[ocrenter]

[quote=AN]

ocrenter, I also prefer these type of houses over the detached condo with front facing garage as well. However, if given a choice, I’d rather choose a smaller house with a front and back yard and a front facing garage on a similar lot size.[/quote]

the problem with that is the value of the house is largely sqft and # of room driven, the size of the lot plays a lesser role in general. therefore it is to the builder’s advantage to maximize sqft on a given lot size.

I think we will see more of these backloaders in general.

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN]

ocrenter, I also prefer these type of houses over the detached condo with front facing garage as well. However, if given a choice, I’d rather choose a smaller house with a front and back yard and a front facing garage on a similar lot size.[/quote]

the problem with that is the value of the house is largely sqft and # of room driven, the size of the lot plays a lesser role in general. therefore it is to the builder’s advantage to maximize sqft on a given lot size.

I think we will see more of these backloaders in general.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I hate those type of houses and would never buy them. They also seem to be very tightly packed together too.[/quote]

Could not agree more.

We would not live in one of those sardine cans, even if we could get it for free. The whole point of buying a SFH is to have a yard and private space.

Those “courtyards” are maybe acceptable for storing a BBQ, but nothing else.

It is all about maximizing profits for the builders/developers. Hopefully, more buyers will turn their noses up at these disasters so that builders never attempt to force them on us, again.[/quote]

this price segment was a disaster in the 80’s/90’s with extremely close zero-lot-line garages with homes attached with almost no driveways and minimal curbside. this ended up creating neighborhoods with chronic parking problems that always look very crowded.

I’m glad the builders put in some innovative efforts and revamped this whole segment.

my feeling after living in both the updated ’00 variety with the backloading garages as well as the ’80-’90 variety with front loading garages but no driveway and minimal curbs, the updated backloading variety definitely wins and will also age a lot better.

and compared to attached townhomes, this is still way better.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I hate those type of houses and would never buy them. They also seem to be very tightly packed together too.[/quote]

Could not agree more.

We would not live in one of those sardine cans, even if we could get it for free. The whole point of buying a SFH is to have a yard and private space.

Those “courtyards” are maybe acceptable for storing a BBQ, but nothing else.

It is all about maximizing profits for the builders/developers. Hopefully, more buyers will turn their noses up at these disasters so that builders never attempt to force them on us, again.[/quote]

this price segment was a disaster in the 80’s/90’s with extremely close zero-lot-line garages with homes attached with almost no driveways and minimal curbside. this ended up creating neighborhoods with chronic parking problems that always look very crowded.

I’m glad the builders put in some innovative efforts and revamped this whole segment.

my feeling after living in both the updated ’00 variety with the backloading garages as well as the ’80-’90 variety with front loading garages but no driveway and minimal curbs, the updated backloading variety definitely wins and will also age a lot better.

and compared to attached townhomes, this is still way better.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I hate those type of houses and would never buy them. They also seem to be very tightly packed together too.[/quote]

Could not agree more.

We would not live in one of those sardine cans, even if we could get it for free. The whole point of buying a SFH is to have a yard and private space.

Those “courtyards” are maybe acceptable for storing a BBQ, but nothing else.

It is all about maximizing profits for the builders/developers. Hopefully, more buyers will turn their noses up at these disasters so that builders never attempt to force them on us, again.[/quote]

this price segment was a disaster in the 80’s/90’s with extremely close zero-lot-line garages with homes attached with almost no driveways and minimal curbside. this ended up creating neighborhoods with chronic parking problems that always look very crowded.

I’m glad the builders put in some innovative efforts and revamped this whole segment.

my feeling after living in both the updated ’00 variety with the backloading garages as well as the ’80-’90 variety with front loading garages but no driveway and minimal curbs, the updated backloading variety definitely wins and will also age a lot better.

and compared to attached townhomes, this is still way better.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I hate those type of houses and would never buy them. They also seem to be very tightly packed together too.[/quote]

Could not agree more.

We would not live in one of those sardine cans, even if we could get it for free. The whole point of buying a SFH is to have a yard and private space.

Those “courtyards” are maybe acceptable for storing a BBQ, but nothing else.

It is all about maximizing profits for the builders/developers. Hopefully, more buyers will turn their noses up at these disasters so that builders never attempt to force them on us, again.[/quote]

this price segment was a disaster in the 80’s/90’s with extremely close zero-lot-line garages with homes attached with almost no driveways and minimal curbside. this ended up creating neighborhoods with chronic parking problems that always look very crowded.

I’m glad the builders put in some innovative efforts and revamped this whole segment.

my feeling after living in both the updated ’00 variety with the backloading garages as well as the ’80-’90 variety with front loading garages but no driveway and minimal curbs, the updated backloading variety definitely wins and will also age a lot better.

and compared to attached townhomes, this is still way better.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I hate those type of houses and would never buy them. They also seem to be very tightly packed together too.[/quote]

Could not agree more.

We would not live in one of those sardine cans, even if we could get it for free. The whole point of buying a SFH is to have a yard and private space.

Those “courtyards” are maybe acceptable for storing a BBQ, but nothing else.

It is all about maximizing profits for the builders/developers. Hopefully, more buyers will turn their noses up at these disasters so that builders never attempt to force them on us, again.[/quote]

this price segment was a disaster in the 80’s/90’s with extremely close zero-lot-line garages with homes attached with almost no driveways and minimal curbside. this ended up creating neighborhoods with chronic parking problems that always look very crowded.

I’m glad the builders put in some innovative efforts and revamped this whole segment.

my feeling after living in both the updated ’00 variety with the backloading garages as well as the ’80-’90 variety with front loading garages but no driveway and minimal curbs, the updated backloading variety definitely wins and will also age a lot better.

and compared to attached townhomes, this is still way better.

[ocrenter]

just for fun I plugged in the 3 places we rented during the bubble years into zillow. all of the rents were within $100-$200 of the rent zestimate. my carrying cost for my house is right at the rent zestimate value as well.

seem fairly accurate in my small sample size of 4.

[ocrenter]

just for fun I plugged in the 3 places we rented during the bubble years into zillow. all of the rents were within $100-$200 of the rent zestimate. my carrying cost for my house is right at the rent zestimate value as well.

seem fairly accurate in my small sample size of 4.

[ocrenter]

just for fun I plugged in the 3 places we rented during the bubble years into zillow. all of the rents were within $100-$200 of the rent zestimate. my carrying cost for my house is right at the rent zestimate value as well.

seem fairly accurate in my small sample size of 4.

[ocrenter]

just for fun I plugged in the 3 places we rented during the bubble years into zillow. all of the rents were within $100-$200 of the rent zestimate. my carrying cost for my house is right at the rent zestimate value as well.

seem fairly accurate in my small sample size of 4.

[ocrenter]

just for fun I plugged in the 3 places we rented during the bubble years into zillow. all of the rents were within $100-$200 of the rent zestimate. my carrying cost for my house is right at the rent zestimate value as well.

seem fairly accurate in my small sample size of 4.

[ocrenter]

we rented a detached condo with back-loading garage for about a year. not really a big deal. no issues with garage being blocked ever. the neighborhood has a nice curb appeal with all the garages hidden. parking wasn’t really an issue either.

bottom line, if developers need to pack in homes into zero-lot-line mini-lots, this is a good way to do it.

we rented in another community of homes with zero-lot-line lots with similar sqft but with traditional garage and driveway. I think we actually had more problems with parking because when you pack homes in that closely in traditional front garage and driveway configuration, you end up with no street parking at all. you have a little get-together involving more than 2 guests and you are looking at a lot of folks trying to fight for driveway spots and limited designated parking areas scattered around.

[ocrenter]

we rented a detached condo with back-loading garage for about a year. not really a big deal. no issues with garage being blocked ever. the neighborhood has a nice curb appeal with all the garages hidden. parking wasn’t really an issue either.

bottom line, if developers need to pack in homes into zero-lot-line mini-lots, this is a good way to do it.

we rented in another community of homes with zero-lot-line lots with similar sqft but with traditional garage and driveway. I think we actually had more problems with parking because when you pack homes in that closely in traditional front garage and driveway configuration, you end up with no street parking at all. you have a little get-together involving more than 2 guests and you are looking at a lot of folks trying to fight for driveway spots and limited designated parking areas scattered around.

[ocrenter]

we rented a detached condo with back-loading garage for about a year. not really a big deal. no issues with garage being blocked ever. the neighborhood has a nice curb appeal with all the garages hidden. parking wasn’t really an issue either.

bottom line, if developers need to pack in homes into zero-lot-line mini-lots, this is a good way to do it.

we rented in another community of homes with zero-lot-line lots with similar sqft but with traditional garage and driveway. I think we actually had more problems with parking because when you pack homes in that closely in traditional front garage and driveway configuration, you end up with no street parking at all. you have a little get-together involving more than 2 guests and you are looking at a lot of folks trying to fight for driveway spots and limited designated parking areas scattered around.

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