[ocrenter]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Good post, except I disagree that we played this beautifully. We haven’t played any of these scenarios (Egypt, Libya, etc, etc) correctly, and Obama and Co. (with the exception of Hillary Clinton) have proven to be rank amateurs throughout.

The problem with allowing the Europeans to “own” this, is that they won’t. And we all know it. Why? Because they’re bigger pussies than Obama.

So they’ll fart around for another couple of weeks, trying to decide which country is responsible for what actions, and, in the meantime, the rebels get bombed out of existence and its game over.

Gaddafi is one of the biggest hairbags out there and ousting him from power is a Good Thing. Yeah, I know, what might happen next? I don’t know, but its better than having him in power.[/quote]

so what would President Allan have done so far? (serious question, no sarcasm).

[ocrenter]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Good post, except I disagree that we played this beautifully. We haven’t played any of these scenarios (Egypt, Libya, etc, etc) correctly, and Obama and Co. (with the exception of Hillary Clinton) have proven to be rank amateurs throughout.

The problem with allowing the Europeans to “own” this, is that they won’t. And we all know it. Why? Because they’re bigger pussies than Obama.

So they’ll fart around for another couple of weeks, trying to decide which country is responsible for what actions, and, in the meantime, the rebels get bombed out of existence and its game over.

Gaddafi is one of the biggest hairbags out there and ousting him from power is a Good Thing. Yeah, I know, what might happen next? I don’t know, but its better than having him in power.[/quote]

so what would President Allan have done so far? (serious question, no sarcasm).

[ocrenter]

This intervention is different than going in and taking out a dictator. here we have a people rising up and ultimately hoping help would arrive once they do rise up. So the intervention is important.

But we definitely can’t own this one, we just can’t afford it.

I think the US knew we have the upper hand in forcing the Europeans to take charge for once. The Europeans were faced with a tidal wave of refugees. let’s just assume eastern libya has a population of 2 million, if kadafi takes over, the majority will try to escape, mostly across the border to egypt, but a large amount across to Italy and France. and then we will have to deal with a huge refugee camp much like the gaza strip except on egyptian soil. where are those going to end up? right across to Italy and France over the next 10 years.

The Europeans were forced to act, they own this and they should.

I think we played this one beautifully.

[ocrenter]

This intervention is different than going in and taking out a dictator. here we have a people rising up and ultimately hoping help would arrive once they do rise up. So the intervention is important.

But we definitely can’t own this one, we just can’t afford it.

I think the US knew we have the upper hand in forcing the Europeans to take charge for once. The Europeans were faced with a tidal wave of refugees. let’s just assume eastern libya has a population of 2 million, if kadafi takes over, the majority will try to escape, mostly across the border to egypt, but a large amount across to Italy and France. and then we will have to deal with a huge refugee camp much like the gaza strip except on egyptian soil. where are those going to end up? right across to Italy and France over the next 10 years.

The Europeans were forced to act, they own this and they should.

I think we played this one beautifully.

[ocrenter]

This intervention is different than going in and taking out a dictator. here we have a people rising up and ultimately hoping help would arrive once they do rise up. So the intervention is important.

But we definitely can’t own this one, we just can’t afford it.

I think the US knew we have the upper hand in forcing the Europeans to take charge for once. The Europeans were faced with a tidal wave of refugees. let’s just assume eastern libya has a population of 2 million, if kadafi takes over, the majority will try to escape, mostly across the border to egypt, but a large amount across to Italy and France. and then we will have to deal with a huge refugee camp much like the gaza strip except on egyptian soil. where are those going to end up? right across to Italy and France over the next 10 years.

The Europeans were forced to act, they own this and they should.

I think we played this one beautifully.

[ocrenter]

This intervention is different than going in and taking out a dictator. here we have a people rising up and ultimately hoping help would arrive once they do rise up. So the intervention is important.

But we definitely can’t own this one, we just can’t afford it.

I think the US knew we have the upper hand in forcing the Europeans to take charge for once. The Europeans were faced with a tidal wave of refugees. let’s just assume eastern libya has a population of 2 million, if kadafi takes over, the majority will try to escape, mostly across the border to egypt, but a large amount across to Italy and France. and then we will have to deal with a huge refugee camp much like the gaza strip except on egyptian soil. where are those going to end up? right across to Italy and France over the next 10 years.

The Europeans were forced to act, they own this and they should.

I think we played this one beautifully.

[ocrenter]

This intervention is different than going in and taking out a dictator. here we have a people rising up and ultimately hoping help would arrive once they do rise up. So the intervention is important.

But we definitely can’t own this one, we just can’t afford it.

I think the US knew we have the upper hand in forcing the Europeans to take charge for once. The Europeans were faced with a tidal wave of refugees. let’s just assume eastern libya has a population of 2 million, if kadafi takes over, the majority will try to escape, mostly across the border to egypt, but a large amount across to Italy and France. and then we will have to deal with a huge refugee camp much like the gaza strip except on egyptian soil. where are those going to end up? right across to Italy and France over the next 10 years.

The Europeans were forced to act, they own this and they should.

I think we played this one beautifully.

[ocrenter]

The problem you are pointing out is really how the builders were really pushing the envelope with their attempts to fit as big of a house on as small of a lot as humanly possible back in the bubble days. whether it be backloading or traditional, the end result as far as full sized SFR goes is utterly ridiculous.

Fieldstone produced these god awful SFR (Silvercrest) at around 3000 sqft around the same time as Maybeck. the lots are more elongated but narrower, but both developments average 4800 sqft per home. the resulting yard space is basically exactly the same:

[img_assist|nid=14753|title=Maybeck vs Silvercrest|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=205]

so given the same lot size and house size, once again traditional vs backloading yield the same result, so it still comes down to personal preference.

[ocrenter]

The problem you are pointing out is really how the builders were really pushing the envelope with their attempts to fit as big of a house on as small of a lot as humanly possible back in the bubble days. whether it be backloading or traditional, the end result as far as full sized SFR goes is utterly ridiculous.

Fieldstone produced these god awful SFR (Silvercrest) at around 3000 sqft around the same time as Maybeck. the lots are more elongated but narrower, but both developments average 4800 sqft per home. the resulting yard space is basically exactly the same:

[img_assist|nid=14753|title=Maybeck vs Silvercrest|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=205]

so given the same lot size and house size, once again traditional vs backloading yield the same result, so it still comes down to personal preference.

[ocrenter]

The problem you are pointing out is really how the builders were really pushing the envelope with their attempts to fit as big of a house on as small of a lot as humanly possible back in the bubble days. whether it be backloading or traditional, the end result as far as full sized SFR goes is utterly ridiculous.

Fieldstone produced these god awful SFR (Silvercrest) at around 3000 sqft around the same time as Maybeck. the lots are more elongated but narrower, but both developments average 4800 sqft per home. the resulting yard space is basically exactly the same:

[img_assist|nid=14753|title=Maybeck vs Silvercrest|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=205]

so given the same lot size and house size, once again traditional vs backloading yield the same result, so it still comes down to personal preference.

[ocrenter]

The problem you are pointing out is really how the builders were really pushing the envelope with their attempts to fit as big of a house on as small of a lot as humanly possible back in the bubble days. whether it be backloading or traditional, the end result as far as full sized SFR goes is utterly ridiculous.

Fieldstone produced these god awful SFR (Silvercrest) at around 3000 sqft around the same time as Maybeck. the lots are more elongated but narrower, but both developments average 4800 sqft per home. the resulting yard space is basically exactly the same:

[img_assist|nid=14753|title=Maybeck vs Silvercrest|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=205]

so given the same lot size and house size, once again traditional vs backloading yield the same result, so it still comes down to personal preference.

[ocrenter]

The problem you are pointing out is really how the builders were really pushing the envelope with their attempts to fit as big of a house on as small of a lot as humanly possible back in the bubble days. whether it be backloading or traditional, the end result as far as full sized SFR goes is utterly ridiculous.

Fieldstone produced these god awful SFR (Silvercrest) at around 3000 sqft around the same time as Maybeck. the lots are more elongated but narrower, but both developments average 4800 sqft per home. the resulting yard space is basically exactly the same:

[img_assist|nid=14753|title=Maybeck vs Silvercrest|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=205]

so given the same lot size and house size, once again traditional vs backloading yield the same result, so it still comes down to personal preference.

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN]

ocrenter, I also prefer these type of houses over the detached condo with front facing garage as well. However, if given a choice, I’d rather choose a smaller house with a front and back yard and a front facing garage on a similar lot size.[/quote]

the problem with that is the value of the house is largely sqft and # of room driven, the size of the lot plays a lesser role in general. therefore it is to the builder’s advantage to maximize sqft on a given lot size.

I think we will see more of these backloaders in general.

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN]

ocrenter, I also prefer these type of houses over the detached condo with front facing garage as well. However, if given a choice, I’d rather choose a smaller house with a front and back yard and a front facing garage on a similar lot size.[/quote]

the problem with that is the value of the house is largely sqft and # of room driven, the size of the lot plays a lesser role in general. therefore it is to the builder’s advantage to maximize sqft on a given lot size.

I think we will see more of these backloaders in general.

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN]

ocrenter, I also prefer these type of houses over the detached condo with front facing garage as well. However, if given a choice, I’d rather choose a smaller house with a front and back yard and a front facing garage on a similar lot size.[/quote]

the problem with that is the value of the house is largely sqft and # of room driven, the size of the lot plays a lesser role in general. therefore it is to the builder’s advantage to maximize sqft on a given lot size.

I think we will see more of these backloaders in general.

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