[ocrenter]

[quote=earlyretirement][quote=ocrenter]there’s a lot of reason why most folks looking at upper end homes end up along the areas around the 56 corridor. but the biggest reason is ultimately the schools and the reputation. and folks tend to cluster with like-minded folks, and thereby end up clustered together.

Santaluz is very attractive, we loved the area, the planning and the architecture, but in the end just could not stomach the high MR/HOA, simply way too outrageous. for upper end homes at and around 1 million, there are plenty of options within this belt along the 56/Ted Williams.

I agree 4S is very middle class and pedestrian, but Ivy Gate is an option. MR/HOA should be slightly lower, the lots are big and there are quite a bit of distress in there. The problem is you are looking at just 70 homes in there, so there’s a limited supply. Bernardo Lakes around 4 Gee and Santa Fe Valley developments are worth a look, they are more mature, built in early 2000, low HOA/MR.

Del Sur homes are too small, and the HOA+MR even higher. The Lakes and Crosby also saddled by heavy HOA/MR.

I think Poway is a very good alternative to Santaluz, esp North Poway with the gated homes and acre lots. low HOA and low MR, less than $2k per year, whereas Santaluz you are looking at almost $12k a year on HOA + MR. Problem is the area is well established and you really need some luck to find a bargain.

Staying within PUSD, Stonebridge has a lot of distress so the chances of getting a deal is higher, MR/HOA in the $6k range, outrageous to some but half that of Santaluz. Toll Bros starting a new development on 1/2 acre lots soon.

South of Pomerado in Scripps is also a good neighborhood, with similar HOA/MR to north Poway, but established and bargains are hard to find.

not trying to talk you out of Santaluz, just that while you may have come to term with the high HOA/MR, after a few years, it really gets old fast.[/quote]

OCRenter,

THANKS so much for mentioning those other areas. Again, as you also mentioned…it sounds like everyone really loves that development, the architecture, the homes and style of Santaluz. The thing I keep hearing over and over is the high HOA and Mello Roos.

I’ve already come to terms with those fees. I don’t look at it as “throwing money away” as Bearishgirl is claiming. Unfortunately taxes are an evil necessity these days and I imagine it will only go up across the board in many areas.

I will check out some of these other developments and appreciate you mentioning them.[/quote]

the ability to come to terms with the high MR/HOA is what ultimately separates who end up in Santaluz.

Within the upper income group, there’s another divide between upper income professionals with essentially fixed income vs the business class/independently wealthy. Santaluz/Crosby/Cielo/Lakes via the high HOA/MR essentially rid themselves of the upper income professionals as buyers. So yes, by virtue of the high HOA/MR, they do ensure the residents will be more of the truly wealthy.

I know a few upper income professionals that bought in there and ended up regretting it. ultimately, they simply don’t belong there and they will gradually exit the area.

I say for the next decade this type of cleansing of upper income professional types will continue within Santaluz. hopefully gradually replaced by the business class and business class retirees the development was truly for.

[ocrenter]

[quote=earlyretirement][quote=ocrenter]there’s a lot of reason why most folks looking at upper end homes end up along the areas around the 56 corridor. but the biggest reason is ultimately the schools and the reputation. and folks tend to cluster with like-minded folks, and thereby end up clustered together.

Santaluz is very attractive, we loved the area, the planning and the architecture, but in the end just could not stomach the high MR/HOA, simply way too outrageous. for upper end homes at and around 1 million, there are plenty of options within this belt along the 56/Ted Williams.

I agree 4S is very middle class and pedestrian, but Ivy Gate is an option. MR/HOA should be slightly lower, the lots are big and there are quite a bit of distress in there. The problem is you are looking at just 70 homes in there, so there’s a limited supply. Bernardo Lakes around 4 Gee and Santa Fe Valley developments are worth a look, they are more mature, built in early 2000, low HOA/MR.

Del Sur homes are too small, and the HOA+MR even higher. The Lakes and Crosby also saddled by heavy HOA/MR.

I think Poway is a very good alternative to Santaluz, esp North Poway with the gated homes and acre lots. low HOA and low MR, less than $2k per year, whereas Santaluz you are looking at almost $12k a year on HOA + MR. Problem is the area is well established and you really need some luck to find a bargain.

Staying within PUSD, Stonebridge has a lot of distress so the chances of getting a deal is higher, MR/HOA in the $6k range, outrageous to some but half that of Santaluz. Toll Bros starting a new development on 1/2 acre lots soon.

South of Pomerado in Scripps is also a good neighborhood, with similar HOA/MR to north Poway, but established and bargains are hard to find.

not trying to talk you out of Santaluz, just that while you may have come to term with the high HOA/MR, after a few years, it really gets old fast.[/quote]

OCRenter,

THANKS so much for mentioning those other areas. Again, as you also mentioned…it sounds like everyone really loves that development, the architecture, the homes and style of Santaluz. The thing I keep hearing over and over is the high HOA and Mello Roos.

I’ve already come to terms with those fees. I don’t look at it as “throwing money away” as Bearishgirl is claiming. Unfortunately taxes are an evil necessity these days and I imagine it will only go up across the board in many areas.

I will check out some of these other developments and appreciate you mentioning them.[/quote]

the ability to come to terms with the high MR/HOA is what ultimately separates who end up in Santaluz.

Within the upper income group, there’s another divide between upper income professionals with essentially fixed income vs the business class/independently wealthy. Santaluz/Crosby/Cielo/Lakes via the high HOA/MR essentially rid themselves of the upper income professionals as buyers. So yes, by virtue of the high HOA/MR, they do ensure the residents will be more of the truly wealthy.

I know a few upper income professionals that bought in there and ended up regretting it. ultimately, they simply don’t belong there and they will gradually exit the area.

I say for the next decade this type of cleansing of upper income professional types will continue within Santaluz. hopefully gradually replaced by the business class and business class retirees the development was truly for.

[ocrenter]

there’s a lot of reason why most folks looking at upper end homes end up along the areas around the 56 corridor. but the biggest reason is ultimately the schools and the reputation. and folks tend to cluster with like-minded folks, and thereby end up clustered together.

Santaluz is very attractive, we loved the area, the planning and the architecture, but in the end just could not stomach the high MR/HOA, simply way too outrageous. for upper end homes at and around 1 million, there are plenty of options within this belt along the 56/Ted Williams.

I agree 4S is very middle class and pedestrian, but Ivy Gate is an option. MR/HOA should be slightly lower, the lots are big and there are quite a bit of distress in there. The problem is you are looking at just 70 homes in there, so there’s a limited supply. Bernardo Lakes around 4 Gee and Santa Fe Valley developments are worth a look, they are more mature, built in early 2000, low HOA/MR.

Del Sur homes are too small, and the HOA+MR even higher. The Lakes and Crosby also saddled by heavy HOA/MR.

I think Poway is a very good alternative to Santaluz, esp North Poway with the gated homes and acre lots. low HOA and low MR, less than $2k per year, whereas Santaluz you are looking at almost $12k a year on HOA + MR. Problem is the area is well established and you really need some luck to find a bargain.

Staying within PUSD, Stonebridge has a lot of distress so the chances of getting a deal is higher, MR/HOA in the $6k range, outrageous to some but half that of Santaluz. Toll Bros starting a new development on 1/2 acre lots soon.

South of Pomerado in Scripps is also a good neighborhood, with similar HOA/MR to north Poway, but established and bargains are hard to find.

not trying to talk you out of Santaluz, just that while you may have come to term with the high HOA/MR, after a few years, it really gets old fast.

[ocrenter]

there’s a lot of reason why most folks looking at upper end homes end up along the areas around the 56 corridor. but the biggest reason is ultimately the schools and the reputation. and folks tend to cluster with like-minded folks, and thereby end up clustered together.

Santaluz is very attractive, we loved the area, the planning and the architecture, but in the end just could not stomach the high MR/HOA, simply way too outrageous. for upper end homes at and around 1 million, there are plenty of options within this belt along the 56/Ted Williams.

I agree 4S is very middle class and pedestrian, but Ivy Gate is an option. MR/HOA should be slightly lower, the lots are big and there are quite a bit of distress in there. The problem is you are looking at just 70 homes in there, so there’s a limited supply. Bernardo Lakes around 4 Gee and Santa Fe Valley developments are worth a look, they are more mature, built in early 2000, low HOA/MR.

Del Sur homes are too small, and the HOA+MR even higher. The Lakes and Crosby also saddled by heavy HOA/MR.

I think Poway is a very good alternative to Santaluz, esp North Poway with the gated homes and acre lots. low HOA and low MR, less than $2k per year, whereas Santaluz you are looking at almost $12k a year on HOA + MR. Problem is the area is well established and you really need some luck to find a bargain.

Staying within PUSD, Stonebridge has a lot of distress so the chances of getting a deal is higher, MR/HOA in the $6k range, outrageous to some but half that of Santaluz. Toll Bros starting a new development on 1/2 acre lots soon.

South of Pomerado in Scripps is also a good neighborhood, with similar HOA/MR to north Poway, but established and bargains are hard to find.

not trying to talk you out of Santaluz, just that while you may have come to term with the high HOA/MR, after a few years, it really gets old fast.

[ocrenter]

there’s a lot of reason why most folks looking at upper end homes end up along the areas around the 56 corridor. but the biggest reason is ultimately the schools and the reputation. and folks tend to cluster with like-minded folks, and thereby end up clustered together.

Santaluz is very attractive, we loved the area, the planning and the architecture, but in the end just could not stomach the high MR/HOA, simply way too outrageous. for upper end homes at and around 1 million, there are plenty of options within this belt along the 56/Ted Williams.

I agree 4S is very middle class and pedestrian, but Ivy Gate is an option. MR/HOA should be slightly lower, the lots are big and there are quite a bit of distress in there. The problem is you are looking at just 70 homes in there, so there’s a limited supply. Bernardo Lakes around 4 Gee and Santa Fe Valley developments are worth a look, they are more mature, built in early 2000, low HOA/MR.

Del Sur homes are too small, and the HOA+MR even higher. The Lakes and Crosby also saddled by heavy HOA/MR.

I think Poway is a very good alternative to Santaluz, esp North Poway with the gated homes and acre lots. low HOA and low MR, less than $2k per year, whereas Santaluz you are looking at almost $12k a year on HOA + MR. Problem is the area is well established and you really need some luck to find a bargain.

Staying within PUSD, Stonebridge has a lot of distress so the chances of getting a deal is higher, MR/HOA in the $6k range, outrageous to some but half that of Santaluz. Toll Bros starting a new development on 1/2 acre lots soon.

South of Pomerado in Scripps is also a good neighborhood, with similar HOA/MR to north Poway, but established and bargains are hard to find.

not trying to talk you out of Santaluz, just that while you may have come to term with the high HOA/MR, after a few years, it really gets old fast.

[ocrenter]

there’s a lot of reason why most folks looking at upper end homes end up along the areas around the 56 corridor. but the biggest reason is ultimately the schools and the reputation. and folks tend to cluster with like-minded folks, and thereby end up clustered together.

Santaluz is very attractive, we loved the area, the planning and the architecture, but in the end just could not stomach the high MR/HOA, simply way too outrageous. for upper end homes at and around 1 million, there are plenty of options within this belt along the 56/Ted Williams.

I agree 4S is very middle class and pedestrian, but Ivy Gate is an option. MR/HOA should be slightly lower, the lots are big and there are quite a bit of distress in there. The problem is you are looking at just 70 homes in there, so there’s a limited supply. Bernardo Lakes around 4 Gee and Santa Fe Valley developments are worth a look, they are more mature, built in early 2000, low HOA/MR.

Del Sur homes are too small, and the HOA+MR even higher. The Lakes and Crosby also saddled by heavy HOA/MR.

I think Poway is a very good alternative to Santaluz, esp North Poway with the gated homes and acre lots. low HOA and low MR, less than $2k per year, whereas Santaluz you are looking at almost $12k a year on HOA + MR. Problem is the area is well established and you really need some luck to find a bargain.

Staying within PUSD, Stonebridge has a lot of distress so the chances of getting a deal is higher, MR/HOA in the $6k range, outrageous to some but half that of Santaluz. Toll Bros starting a new development on 1/2 acre lots soon.

South of Pomerado in Scripps is also a good neighborhood, with similar HOA/MR to north Poway, but established and bargains are hard to find.

not trying to talk you out of Santaluz, just that while you may have come to term with the high HOA/MR, after a few years, it really gets old fast.

[ocrenter]

there’s a lot of reason why most folks looking at upper end homes end up along the areas around the 56 corridor. but the biggest reason is ultimately the schools and the reputation. and folks tend to cluster with like-minded folks, and thereby end up clustered together.

Santaluz is very attractive, we loved the area, the planning and the architecture, but in the end just could not stomach the high MR/HOA, simply way too outrageous. for upper end homes at and around 1 million, there are plenty of options within this belt along the 56/Ted Williams.

I agree 4S is very middle class and pedestrian, but Ivy Gate is an option. MR/HOA should be slightly lower, the lots are big and there are quite a bit of distress in there. The problem is you are looking at just 70 homes in there, so there’s a limited supply. Bernardo Lakes around 4 Gee and Santa Fe Valley developments are worth a look, they are more mature, built in early 2000, low HOA/MR.

Del Sur homes are too small, and the HOA+MR even higher. The Lakes and Crosby also saddled by heavy HOA/MR.

I think Poway is a very good alternative to Santaluz, esp North Poway with the gated homes and acre lots. low HOA and low MR, less than $2k per year, whereas Santaluz you are looking at almost $12k a year on HOA + MR. Problem is the area is well established and you really need some luck to find a bargain.

Staying within PUSD, Stonebridge has a lot of distress so the chances of getting a deal is higher, MR/HOA in the $6k range, outrageous to some but half that of Santaluz. Toll Bros starting a new development on 1/2 acre lots soon.

South of Pomerado in Scripps is also a good neighborhood, with similar HOA/MR to north Poway, but established and bargains are hard to find.

not trying to talk you out of Santaluz, just that while you may have come to term with the high HOA/MR, after a few years, it really gets old fast.

[ocrenter]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Camino Del Sur was connected to Camino Del Norte (4s ranch) in the del sur area in 2006. Also, Carmel valley road was connected to whatever the road is on the southwestern edge of 4s near the middle school in 2006.

This opened up things to a lot of pass through traffic.[/quote]

true, with a lot of traffic yet to come. Del Sur is only half complete. the Lakes BELOW RSF is just getting started. 4S is still getting larger. Camino Del Sur is and will be the best and most logical way to head west for all of the folks above.

[ocrenter]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Camino Del Sur was connected to Camino Del Norte (4s ranch) in the del sur area in 2006. Also, Carmel valley road was connected to whatever the road is on the southwestern edge of 4s near the middle school in 2006.

This opened up things to a lot of pass through traffic.[/quote]

true, with a lot of traffic yet to come. Del Sur is only half complete. the Lakes BELOW RSF is just getting started. 4S is still getting larger. Camino Del Sur is and will be the best and most logical way to head west for all of the folks above.

[ocrenter]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Camino Del Sur was connected to Camino Del Norte (4s ranch) in the del sur area in 2006. Also, Carmel valley road was connected to whatever the road is on the southwestern edge of 4s near the middle school in 2006.

This opened up things to a lot of pass through traffic.[/quote]

true, with a lot of traffic yet to come. Del Sur is only half complete. the Lakes BELOW RSF is just getting started. 4S is still getting larger. Camino Del Sur is and will be the best and most logical way to head west for all of the folks above.

[ocrenter]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Camino Del Sur was connected to Camino Del Norte (4s ranch) in the del sur area in 2006. Also, Carmel valley road was connected to whatever the road is on the southwestern edge of 4s near the middle school in 2006.

This opened up things to a lot of pass through traffic.[/quote]

true, with a lot of traffic yet to come. Del Sur is only half complete. the Lakes BELOW RSF is just getting started. 4S is still getting larger. Camino Del Sur is and will be the best and most logical way to head west for all of the folks above.

[ocrenter]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Camino Del Sur was connected to Camino Del Norte (4s ranch) in the del sur area in 2006. Also, Carmel valley road was connected to whatever the road is on the southwestern edge of 4s near the middle school in 2006.

This opened up things to a lot of pass through traffic.[/quote]

true, with a lot of traffic yet to come. Del Sur is only half complete. the Lakes BELOW RSF is just getting started. 4S is still getting larger. Camino Del Sur is and will be the best and most logical way to head west for all of the folks above.

[ocrenter]

01/07/2011 Listing removed $1,100,000
09/18/2010 Price change * $1,100,000
05/14/2010 Listed for sale $1,149,995
07/05/2009 Listing removed $1,350,000
11/15/2008 Listed for sale $1,350,000
10/16/2008 Listing removed $1,350,000
06/17/2008 Listed for sale $1,350,000
02/08/2008 Listing removed $1,500,876
11/11/2007 Listed for sale $1,500,876
12/20/2002 Sold $822,500

truly a testimony of the staying power of the rich. well over 3 years and keeps on going.

what is equally amazing is there’s 10 homes on the same street on the MLS. granted it is a long street, but…

the backyard is essentially non-existant. who were the target buyers for these homes? you would think most folks paying close to and over $1 million would want some type of a yard…

given the lack of signficant backyard, I doubt any buyer would need to be concerned about the street noise, you’ll be indoor with the windows closed the great majority of the time.

of course there’s the same old issue of outrageous mello roos and HOA.

[ocrenter]

01/07/2011 Listing removed $1,100,000
09/18/2010 Price change * $1,100,000
05/14/2010 Listed for sale $1,149,995
07/05/2009 Listing removed $1,350,000
11/15/2008 Listed for sale $1,350,000
10/16/2008 Listing removed $1,350,000
06/17/2008 Listed for sale $1,350,000
02/08/2008 Listing removed $1,500,876
11/11/2007 Listed for sale $1,500,876
12/20/2002 Sold $822,500

truly a testimony of the staying power of the rich. well over 3 years and keeps on going.

what is equally amazing is there’s 10 homes on the same street on the MLS. granted it is a long street, but…

the backyard is essentially non-existant. who were the target buyers for these homes? you would think most folks paying close to and over $1 million would want some type of a yard…

given the lack of signficant backyard, I doubt any buyer would need to be concerned about the street noise, you’ll be indoor with the windows closed the great majority of the time.

of course there’s the same old issue of outrageous mello roos and HOA.

[ocrenter]

01/07/2011 Listing removed $1,100,000
09/18/2010 Price change * $1,100,000
05/14/2010 Listed for sale $1,149,995
07/05/2009 Listing removed $1,350,000
11/15/2008 Listed for sale $1,350,000
10/16/2008 Listing removed $1,350,000
06/17/2008 Listed for sale $1,350,000
02/08/2008 Listing removed $1,500,876
11/11/2007 Listed for sale $1,500,876
12/20/2002 Sold $822,500

truly a testimony of the staying power of the rich. well over 3 years and keeps on going.

what is equally amazing is there’s 10 homes on the same street on the MLS. granted it is a long street, but…

the backyard is essentially non-existant. who were the target buyers for these homes? you would think most folks paying close to and over $1 million would want some type of a yard…

given the lack of signficant backyard, I doubt any buyer would need to be concerned about the street noise, you’ll be indoor with the windows closed the great majority of the time.

of course there’s the same old issue of outrageous mello roos and HOA.

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