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Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]ok then, i pray they get Cs and bring ignominy and shame upon their entire family.
dalai lama ruins our joy!!!
“the Dalai Lama spent his whole life trying to separate Tibet from the mainland of China, regardless of how much privilege and freedom the government offered the people of Tibet. His conflict with our government caused property loss, deaths of innocent people and panic among the general public”
Spoken like the Chinese fanboys represented here by Brian and Harvey.
What is up with these Tibetans. You give them all these privileges and freedom, and all they do is self immolation by the hundreds.
Well, as Brian said it best, give China 200 more years and there would not be any problematic Tibetans left to cause panic and property loss.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
I’m not defending China. But, as Harvey mentioned, there is moral equivalence with what we do. Think we’re that innocent? A lot of the stuff we do is not for human rights but as tools to destabilize and contain adversaries. [/quote]
That is exactly what Trump says. Glad you are in agreement with Trump.
No one is looking at the US as an altruistic angelic figure out to rid the world of injustice. But ultimately there is still free discussion in regard to US policy.
China on the other hand is doing everything within a black box, and all criticism are silenced. In addition, there’s a broad based national strategy to cook up nationalistic sentiment, such as the multiple WWII movies and TV shows generated every few months to fire up anti-Japanese nationalism.
The point here is whatever fault US has, China can be so much worse.
[quote=FlyerInHi]
I’ve been around the world enough to know that people want economic prosperity. China is doing a great job at economic development. [/quote]
So you saw economic prosperity for Uyghurs AND Han Chinese? Or you just saw the fancy new buildings used by the Han Chinese?
Again, given a vote, do you really think the Uyghurs will vote to stay under China’s rule? Again, if they are truly volunteering to stay as a member of the large family of ethnic groups under the leadership of CCP, why bother suppressing speech and lock away dissent? This is quite different compared to Californians wishing to stay as part of the union.
I know your answer, just give China another 200 years so the Uyghurs would be no more.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]free tibet.[/quote]
Not according to Brian. I think he was protesting the Dalai Lama along with the Chinese students.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
ocrenter, the residents of California back then were hounded to sell their properties, more often than not at gunpoint.
Why don’t you give China 200 more years in Tibet? By that time highspeed trains will crisscross the region and high rise condo in Lhasa will be worth more than houses in middle America.
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Just because America did it does not mean China can do it now. This is classic Chinese rhetoric. Every time there’s another Uyghur arrest, or another report of discrimination, or statistic of economic apartheid, China just simply repeat the same argument you are posing: “well you guys did it years ago too.”
btw, I agree, give China a few more years and Tibet would be fully integrated. Potala Palace in Lhasa would still be there, but I doubt Tibetan would even be spoken and I doubt you can even tell a “Tibetan” apart from a Han Chinese anymore. The assimilation process and the complete destruction of thousand year plus civilization would be fully complete. You want to give China more time to complete the process?
[quote=FlyerInHi]
I haven’t been to Tibet yet, but I have been to Xinjiang. The local Uyghur people don’t particularly care for Chinese rule but they prefer the prosperity of China over next door kazhakstan. There are gleaming new airports and developments thanks to China. Urumqi airport is better than San Diego’s, Carrefour hypermakets and plenty of consumer goods. And the uyghurs benefit from autonomous laws such as the right to carry knives on their belts, and affirmative action admissions to China’s top universities.[/quote]
Your understanding of the world is so skin deep. Did you really just say the subjugation of 10 million people, the systematic suppression of their language, the outright discrimination and frequent jailing without charges are all ok because there’s a shiny new airport, a few Carrefour, and there’s a written policy for affirmative action?
China actually arranged a full last minute tourist boycott of an entire city just because somewhere within that city there was a film festival where a Uyghur film was being featured. This is the extent of the media crackdown.
As for the Uyghurs and where they get their inspirations. East Turkestan independence movement started gaining momentum primarily due to Kazakhstan’s independence. That’s when China cracked down even more and started transporting even more Han Chinese migrants to Xinjiang.
you are essentially turning a blind eye to all of the human rights abuses, ethnic cleansing and assimilation policies as well as environmental destruction happening all over China. When did you become part of their on-line 50 cent army?
Participant[quote=harvey] But I still don’t see the US giving California back to Mexico anytime soon.[/quote]
As for this.
Why don’t you find all of the descendents of Californians back when the US annexed CA and put them to a vote. How many of them would like CA to become Alta California, the 32nd state of Mexico?
If you do the same with Tibetans, I can guarantee you how they’ll vote.
Participant[quote=harvey][quote=ocrenter]Quite trying to compare the two.
One system actually allows for you to say what you just said.
Under the other system you would be hearing a knock on the door by now.[/quote]
Your post was about “brainwashing” and how it is used to rationalize the conquest of other countries.
And on that subject I absolutely will compare “the two:” Both the US and China have a lot of blood on their hands.
One of the defining themes of American history is the use of military force to gain territory and resources. China’s annexation of Tibet is only comparable to maybe one of our smaller wars that most Americans today never even know about.
As for personal freedoms, yeah we’ve got China beat by a longshot on that one. But I still don’t see the US giving California back to Mexico anytime soon.[/quote]
Personal freedom and protection of basic rights including speech is huge when you make these comparisons.
These freedoms allow for opposition to the policies you are complaining about.
Of course the Iraq war was unjust and wrong, and most Americans would agree this was a major blunder. This would not happen in China, where discussions of prior errors and mistakes are strictly prohibited. Remember that if you ever try to type in June 4th on Bidu in China.
Of course large amount of American land came under control through force and underhanded dealings, but can you imagine the same methodology employed by an authoritarian country without opposing viewpoints operating under the premise that the world has done it wrong and regional hegemony is the only way to right that wrong?
America is by no means innocent and altruistic, but I would simply caution about your fanboy crush on China.
Participant[quote=harvey][quote=ocrenter]As for the Chinese students, the brainwashing runs deep into their core. They invaded and slaughtered the Tibetans yet they feel their rights are infringed upon.[/quote]
As for the Americans, the brainwashing runs deep into their core. They invaded and slaughtered the Iraqis yet they feel they are the victims of terrorism.
[quote]The extreme nationalism and absolute indignation toward anything against their indoctrinated viewpoint should scare anyone.[/quote]
Yep.[/quote]Quite trying to compare the two.
One system actually allows for you to say what you just said.
Under the other system you would be hearing a knock on the door by now.
Participant[quote=mixxalot]I agree the Chicoms did great evil to the Tibetan people and priests for no good reason whatsoever. It is truly frightening how mind control many of them are from mainland China. On the other hand, friends from Singapore and Taiwan are fantastic and do not have the hardcore red commie mindset.[/quote]
Not quite sure I get your point.
Friends from Singapore are Singaporeans.
Friends from Taiwan are Taiwanese.
What do Singaporeans and Taiwanese have to do with China?
ParticipantThe guy is 82…
Despite his title, some cognitive decline has to be present.
Did they subtitle the whole thing? I wonder if there’s a transcript from the speech.
As for the Chinese students, the brainwashing runs deep into their core. They invaded and slaughtered the Tibetans yet they feel their rights are infringed upon.
The extreme nationalism and absolute indignation toward anything against their indoctrinated viewpoint should scare anyone. The fact that China’s best and brightest thinkers are out there showing off the fruit of that brainwashing should frighten you to no end.
This is what will replace America in a few decades? You think Nazi Germany was bad? Oh boy…
Participant[quote=Escoguy]Anyone who paid off Mello Roos have regrets?
Thoughts on doing this for a rental property?
Anyone do this CFD 6 in 4S Ranch?
Anyone do CFD 4 in 92078?
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Paid off the MR 5 years ago.
No regrets at all. Especially when April and November roll around.
ParticipantVery fuzzy video. Both literally and in substance.
The wage disconnect with housing price she pointed out is very tempting evidence. But wage stagnation simply means you have more renters for the investor class’ properties.
April 24, 2017 at 6:55 AM in reply to: Chula Vista; if I don’t buy now will I be shut out forever? #806326Participant[quote=spdrun]ocrenter: doesn’t that just mean that doctors have more student debt and worse credit? ;)[/quote]
Haha.
In all seriousness, for everyone else not in the business, 100% no money down loans are always available for doctors, even during the hard landing if I recall correctly.
Doctors are also in need of more expensive tax shelter as well.
Participantwould recommend watching the whole thing.
answer to your question is at 9:20
April 23, 2017 at 8:56 PM in reply to: Chula Vista; if I don’t buy now will I be shut out forever? #806322Participantinteresting observation in my corner of the world.
all of the medical assistants and LVNs are buying.
the doctors are not.
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