[nostradamus]

I hate hearing about any of it from either side. Who cares who blew who or who did what to his wife 30 years ago. Do we want a leader or a soap opera? It’s all so petty.

[nostradamus]

I hate hearing about any of it from either side. Who cares who blew who or who did what to his wife 30 years ago. Do we want a leader or a soap opera? It’s all so petty.

[nostradamus]

I hate hearing about any of it from either side. Who cares who blew who or who did what to his wife 30 years ago. Do we want a leader or a soap opera? It’s all so petty.

[nostradamus]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Nost: Okay, I am probably violating some sort of OSA deal here, but look up DEA Operation Snowcap. And we knew damn well what Noriega was up to, and we knew it for quite a while.

The US KH/Vulture satellites (the “Keyhole” program, so named because the cameras could look through a keyhole from space) have the ability to read licenses plates from orbit, but we cannot find coca fields. The NSA can literally eavesdrop on any conversation in the Western Hemisphere, but we cannot find the drug lords. It strains credulity a little bit, especially since we used this technology to find insurgent leaders and their cells. And this was in the mid- to late-1980s.

I’ve worked with IDF and Mossad before, and they are frickin’ trigger happy cowboys. With no sense of humor whatsoever.[/quote]
Thanks, I’ll look up those programs.

About the IDF, I can’t generalize them all but yes indeed the guy who accosted me was a trigger-happy cowboy control freak with an obvious lust for blood. It was much scarier than getting mugged.

Now back on the Iran topic. What was the topic?

[nostradamus]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Nost: Okay, I am probably violating some sort of OSA deal here, but look up DEA Operation Snowcap. And we knew damn well what Noriega was up to, and we knew it for quite a while.

The US KH/Vulture satellites (the “Keyhole” program, so named because the cameras could look through a keyhole from space) have the ability to read licenses plates from orbit, but we cannot find coca fields. The NSA can literally eavesdrop on any conversation in the Western Hemisphere, but we cannot find the drug lords. It strains credulity a little bit, especially since we used this technology to find insurgent leaders and their cells. And this was in the mid- to late-1980s.

I’ve worked with IDF and Mossad before, and they are frickin’ trigger happy cowboys. With no sense of humor whatsoever.[/quote]
Thanks, I’ll look up those programs.

About the IDF, I can’t generalize them all but yes indeed the guy who accosted me was a trigger-happy cowboy control freak with an obvious lust for blood. It was much scarier than getting mugged.

Now back on the Iran topic. What was the topic?

[nostradamus]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Nost: Okay, I am probably violating some sort of OSA deal here, but look up DEA Operation Snowcap. And we knew damn well what Noriega was up to, and we knew it for quite a while.

The US KH/Vulture satellites (the “Keyhole” program, so named because the cameras could look through a keyhole from space) have the ability to read licenses plates from orbit, but we cannot find coca fields. The NSA can literally eavesdrop on any conversation in the Western Hemisphere, but we cannot find the drug lords. It strains credulity a little bit, especially since we used this technology to find insurgent leaders and their cells. And this was in the mid- to late-1980s.

I’ve worked with IDF and Mossad before, and they are frickin’ trigger happy cowboys. With no sense of humor whatsoever.[/quote]
Thanks, I’ll look up those programs.

About the IDF, I can’t generalize them all but yes indeed the guy who accosted me was a trigger-happy cowboy control freak with an obvious lust for blood. It was much scarier than getting mugged.

Now back on the Iran topic. What was the topic?

[nostradamus]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Nost: Okay, I am probably violating some sort of OSA deal here, but look up DEA Operation Snowcap. And we knew damn well what Noriega was up to, and we knew it for quite a while.

The US KH/Vulture satellites (the “Keyhole” program, so named because the cameras could look through a keyhole from space) have the ability to read licenses plates from orbit, but we cannot find coca fields. The NSA can literally eavesdrop on any conversation in the Western Hemisphere, but we cannot find the drug lords. It strains credulity a little bit, especially since we used this technology to find insurgent leaders and their cells. And this was in the mid- to late-1980s.

I’ve worked with IDF and Mossad before, and they are frickin’ trigger happy cowboys. With no sense of humor whatsoever.[/quote]
Thanks, I’ll look up those programs.

About the IDF, I can’t generalize them all but yes indeed the guy who accosted me was a trigger-happy cowboy control freak with an obvious lust for blood. It was much scarier than getting mugged.

Now back on the Iran topic. What was the topic?

[nostradamus]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Nost: Okay, I am probably violating some sort of OSA deal here, but look up DEA Operation Snowcap. And we knew damn well what Noriega was up to, and we knew it for quite a while.

The US KH/Vulture satellites (the “Keyhole” program, so named because the cameras could look through a keyhole from space) have the ability to read licenses plates from orbit, but we cannot find coca fields. The NSA can literally eavesdrop on any conversation in the Western Hemisphere, but we cannot find the drug lords. It strains credulity a little bit, especially since we used this technology to find insurgent leaders and their cells. And this was in the mid- to late-1980s.

I’ve worked with IDF and Mossad before, and they are frickin’ trigger happy cowboys. With no sense of humor whatsoever.[/quote]
Thanks, I’ll look up those programs.

About the IDF, I can’t generalize them all but yes indeed the guy who accosted me was a trigger-happy cowboy control freak with an obvious lust for blood. It was much scarier than getting mugged.

Now back on the Iran topic. What was the topic?

[nostradamus]

OT thread hijack!

Allan,

I believe you that Guatemala can be referred to as a “very bad place”. Although these post-revolution days things have improved considerably. I spent a couple months there, traveling about. Camped out near lake Atitlan on a little finca for a while. What a beautiful, untouched place it was. Surrounded by 3 volcanoes.

I met some, uh, “farmers” who were peeved by the U.S. “war on drugs” because they said one day agents would show up and bust them and make a big media spectacle about it, and the next day the same agents would show up to buy their product to supply the biggest customer, the US (who is also ironically leading the war on drugs). This was just me traveling around; I have no intel gathering or recon skills. If trained people came out they’d easily make major busts left and right. Anyhow my point is on one hand we are saying drugs are bad, on the other hand we are paying them more for drugs than they can ever make with food agriculture while not really investigating or making the “big” busts.

BTW Guatemala and Israel are the only 2 places anyone has ever pointed a gun at me (that I know of). In Guate it was cops (they mugged me) in Israel it was an undercover IDF who just didn’t like the look of me.

[nostradamus]

OT thread hijack!

Allan,

I believe you that Guatemala can be referred to as a “very bad place”. Although these post-revolution days things have improved considerably. I spent a couple months there, traveling about. Camped out near lake Atitlan on a little finca for a while. What a beautiful, untouched place it was. Surrounded by 3 volcanoes.

I met some, uh, “farmers” who were peeved by the U.S. “war on drugs” because they said one day agents would show up and bust them and make a big media spectacle about it, and the next day the same agents would show up to buy their product to supply the biggest customer, the US (who is also ironically leading the war on drugs). This was just me traveling around; I have no intel gathering or recon skills. If trained people came out they’d easily make major busts left and right. Anyhow my point is on one hand we are saying drugs are bad, on the other hand we are paying them more for drugs than they can ever make with food agriculture while not really investigating or making the “big” busts.

BTW Guatemala and Israel are the only 2 places anyone has ever pointed a gun at me (that I know of). In Guate it was cops (they mugged me) in Israel it was an undercover IDF who just didn’t like the look of me.

[nostradamus]

OT thread hijack!

Allan,

I believe you that Guatemala can be referred to as a “very bad place”. Although these post-revolution days things have improved considerably. I spent a couple months there, traveling about. Camped out near lake Atitlan on a little finca for a while. What a beautiful, untouched place it was. Surrounded by 3 volcanoes.

I met some, uh, “farmers” who were peeved by the U.S. “war on drugs” because they said one day agents would show up and bust them and make a big media spectacle about it, and the next day the same agents would show up to buy their product to supply the biggest customer, the US (who is also ironically leading the war on drugs). This was just me traveling around; I have no intel gathering or recon skills. If trained people came out they’d easily make major busts left and right. Anyhow my point is on one hand we are saying drugs are bad, on the other hand we are paying them more for drugs than they can ever make with food agriculture while not really investigating or making the “big” busts.

BTW Guatemala and Israel are the only 2 places anyone has ever pointed a gun at me (that I know of). In Guate it was cops (they mugged me) in Israel it was an undercover IDF who just didn’t like the look of me.

[nostradamus]

OT thread hijack!

Allan,

I believe you that Guatemala can be referred to as a “very bad place”. Although these post-revolution days things have improved considerably. I spent a couple months there, traveling about. Camped out near lake Atitlan on a little finca for a while. What a beautiful, untouched place it was. Surrounded by 3 volcanoes.

I met some, uh, “farmers” who were peeved by the U.S. “war on drugs” because they said one day agents would show up and bust them and make a big media spectacle about it, and the next day the same agents would show up to buy their product to supply the biggest customer, the US (who is also ironically leading the war on drugs). This was just me traveling around; I have no intel gathering or recon skills. If trained people came out they’d easily make major busts left and right. Anyhow my point is on one hand we are saying drugs are bad, on the other hand we are paying them more for drugs than they can ever make with food agriculture while not really investigating or making the “big” busts.

BTW Guatemala and Israel are the only 2 places anyone has ever pointed a gun at me (that I know of). In Guate it was cops (they mugged me) in Israel it was an undercover IDF who just didn’t like the look of me.

[nostradamus]

OT thread hijack!

Allan,

I believe you that Guatemala can be referred to as a “very bad place”. Although these post-revolution days things have improved considerably. I spent a couple months there, traveling about. Camped out near lake Atitlan on a little finca for a while. What a beautiful, untouched place it was. Surrounded by 3 volcanoes.

I met some, uh, “farmers” who were peeved by the U.S. “war on drugs” because they said one day agents would show up and bust them and make a big media spectacle about it, and the next day the same agents would show up to buy their product to supply the biggest customer, the US (who is also ironically leading the war on drugs). This was just me traveling around; I have no intel gathering or recon skills. If trained people came out they’d easily make major busts left and right. Anyhow my point is on one hand we are saying drugs are bad, on the other hand we are paying them more for drugs than they can ever make with food agriculture while not really investigating or making the “big” busts.

BTW Guatemala and Israel are the only 2 places anyone has ever pointed a gun at me (that I know of). In Guate it was cops (they mugged me) in Israel it was an undercover IDF who just didn’t like the look of me.

[nostradamus]

Wow. It’s great that you have friends to give you the inside scoop. As a civvy I only have MSM and the internet, which we all know is the same as being blindfolded.

I wanted to bring up another point: Before the Iranian revolution of 1979 the country was run by a shah (king) Reza Pahlavi or something like that. He was put in place by US and SAS (Brit) forces. They did this by overthrowing a democratically elected leader (Mosaddeq)! This was back in 1953. Yes, they/we (SAS and CIA) destroyed democracy in Iran, who had it way back in 1953. Google it, this is no secret or conspiracy theory.

Long story short, the Shah/king they replaced the Iranian democracy with was considered a western puppet which led to the revolution. That’s when these “Supreme leader” Ayatollah jerk-wads came about. We are paying the price for our own mistakes IMO.

I’ve never been to Iran but I’ve been to Guatamela where very similar things were done by the CIA. I can tell you it’s eye-opening to see the perspective they have and hear their stories.

[nostradamus]

Wow. It’s great that you have friends to give you the inside scoop. As a civvy I only have MSM and the internet, which we all know is the same as being blindfolded.

I wanted to bring up another point: Before the Iranian revolution of 1979 the country was run by a shah (king) Reza Pahlavi or something like that. He was put in place by US and SAS (Brit) forces. They did this by overthrowing a democratically elected leader (Mosaddeq)! This was back in 1953. Yes, they/we (SAS and CIA) destroyed democracy in Iran, who had it way back in 1953. Google it, this is no secret or conspiracy theory.

Long story short, the Shah/king they replaced the Iranian democracy with was considered a western puppet which led to the revolution. That’s when these “Supreme leader” Ayatollah jerk-wads came about. We are paying the price for our own mistakes IMO.

I’ve never been to Iran but I’ve been to Guatamela where very similar things were done by the CIA. I can tell you it’s eye-opening to see the perspective they have and hear their stories.

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