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LOL flu, the challenge for Hoover Dam isn’t capabilities (although at this point, capabilities are probably a problem too, particularly in many manufacturing segments), it’s all the other stuff from changed expectations, to worker rights, environmental restrictions, etc.

I’d make a joke about the Jungle and Chicago, but I’m not sure the pork operations today in North Carolina with their steady stream of recruited labor from newspaper ads in foreign countries with a wink and nod from governments are any better.

Skills sets are progressive. You can’t have an economy that just has top level skills and jobs.

Well, you can, but that only works for a generation.

Sending jobs overseas started out about being cheap. Then it became about skill, because surprise, when you stop doing something, you stop being good at it.

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The same argument can be made about clean air, clean water and everything else that is an input.

Many countries have lower costs of doing business. From a regulatory environment to labor to actual resource inputs.

Those countries are choosing economic growth over externalized costs.

Kind of like the Hoover Dam, I really doubt we could get it built today. The laws were different then, employment expectations (and employee safety) were different then.

IMHO, the G8 need to do a much better job at pushing the developing world into uplifting it’s standard of living.

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https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/08/01/hillary-clintons-100-day-jobs-plan/

[quote]That’s why, in her first 100 days in office, Hillary will break through Washington gridlock to make the biggest investment in good-paying jobs since World War II, putting us on a path to a stronger future for our children and grandchildren.[/quote]

Bold is their emphasis, not mine.

The PC is steadily dying. My phone is getting more expensive.

Neither here nor there.

People like their cheap stuff, including 99 cents per pound grapes. They just don’t like the collateral costs that they all want to pretend don’t exist.

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[quote=Rich Toscano]But whatever, obviously people aren’t into it. The signal to noise ratio is terrible these days… just thought it might help but that’s not a battle I’m going to fight..[/quote]

The LA Times has up/down votes on their comments section. Its far worse than here.

I agree with you on the signal to noise ratio, ultimately, I wouldn’t pay attention to the up/down votes. The noise machine is present there too. I’d pay attention to a few other core posters I enjoy reading if they suddenly were asking me if I got kicked in the head and if that was the root cause of my new strange posts.

Personally, I think the last six months have been fascinating from a sociological point of view. A bit painful and tedious to wade through and sadly, likely to become far worse in 62 days.

As a side note, I’d add that one the issues with the signal to noise is that, to me, it seems like the board has become much more hostile and combative in posts. It also seems like 80-90% of the posts are being generated by a small group of posters (I mean really small, like 10ish).

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Yea, you can ignore it, but the simple fact of the matter is up and down voting is really just another bludgeon to enforce group think and stifle dissent or difference of opinion.

Let’s be honest, who but the most ardent or tone deaf will continue to post when the board chronically tell them people don’t like their posts.

So you get the worst of both worlds, the tone deaf continue to bellow oblivious or uncaring of the discussion and the more moderate stop posting all but ditto-esque comments and a vocal minority self-appoint into moderators with down vote clubs.

In the end everybody runs on the anonymous message board format of “I’m telling the board” and there’s no discussion.

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You already have a quality filter and quality vote.

It’s your My Ignore List

I suggest people use it It’s a very good one on this software IMO which shows a post occurred but reduces it to a single line with easy view option

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Aren’t you over thinking this?

How often do you think it’ll happen in the next ten years?

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[quote=all]
You were wrong when you decided to look at those swimmers as beacon of freedom and democracy, as opposed to a bag of meat and bones infused with hormones, steroids and healthy dose of arrogance.[/quote]

Wow, talk about wild assumptions and putting words in people’s mouths.

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[quote=no_such_reality][quote=spdrun]If the story is true, hope the other two athletes spend some quality time in a Brazilian jail before being fined and deported.[/quote]

Let’s think it through.

Late night hours, group of partying American tourist.

Gas station says they damage the bathroom and wants money on the spot.

Off duty moonlighting cop is the security guard, draws his weapon.

$50 exchanges hands.

Away people go.

Tourist is an athlete, tells embellished story on major TV.

Country embarrassed, claims false crime report, seizes passports and then settles per country law for a “charity donation” of $10,800.

Makes the shakedowns you heard about in Baja in the 70s-90s seem downright amateurish.[/quote]

Yep, video. So I was way wrong and it seems at least one of the group may be exactly destructive schmuck people thought.

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[quote=spdrun]If the story is true, hope the other two athletes spend some quality time in a Brazilian jail before being fined and deported.[/quote]

Let’s think it through.

Late night hours, group of partying American tourist.

Gas station says they damage the bathroom and wants money on the spot.

Off duty moonlighting cop is the security guard, draws his weapon.

$50 exchanges hands.

Away people go.

Tourist is an athlete, tells embellished story on major TV.

Country embarrassed, claims false crime report, seizes passports and then settles per country law for a “charity donation” of $10,800.

Makes the shakedowns you heard about in Baja in the 70s-90s seem downright amateurish.

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[quote=AN][quote=no_such_reality]Lol. You guys really don’t get it do you.

The rates are going up because we the voters drank the loo laid and dictated the percentage of green energy in the mix by given date. The rate increases are to provide the incentives for the renewables and for purchasing power from the higher cost sources.[/quote]LoL, I’m fully aware of that too. But energy mix isn’t the only reason.[/quote]

You’re right those smart meter infrastructure improvements cost money too. 😉

I went solar years ago as soon as the Cali started dictating the solution. Well and as long as the taxpayer was paying for 80% of it.

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Lol. You guys really don’t get it do you.

The rates are going up because we the voters drank the loo laid and dictated the percentage of green energy in the mix by given date. The rate increases are to provide the incentives for the renewables and for purchasing power from the higher cost sources.

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The evil genius would be the Clinton power brokers. The PTB. Keep in mind the 2nd half of your choice is half complete. “- He actually just is a mentally unstable halfwit” and that many people supporting him are that ?gullible? ?stupid? ?angry they don’t care?

Snark aside, I think the real Trump is the Trump you’re repeatedly in the commercials where he’s mocking the reporter from earlier in the campaign.

It is an interesting discussion, the fact that Trump has succeeded not in the presidential race but at least the American wealth race, even if not to the level he pretends.

Why? Is a little bit of money that much of an advantage? Is a pugilistic nature and willingness to sue everything under the sun that effective? Does the vast majority just turn a blind eye in the pursuit of money? Is America that full of assh*les? Shits?

I’ve said before he reminds me of every half-*ssed C-level that was full of themselves I’ve ever met. But you got a read on them pretty quick and they couldn’t go more than one meeting without their colors showing.

Did people doing business with him before really not see this part of him or did they just not care?

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What’s a lot more surprising to me is how many people have fallen for his incredibly obvious act. It’s extremely disappointing.[/quote]

I’m not, although I’m a bit surprised how apparently completely incompetent on many fronts he appears to be. To the point I wonder if it’s not an intentional throw.

But then again, he is, you noted and I suspect, one giant narcissist.

All that said, it really highlights how low people with stoop and how stupid and greedy they will be to be the ones that got the short end of his deals.

I’m not talking the neighbors that get bullied and sued into submission, I mean the people taking the money and getting shafted on his BKs. The politicians in bed with him to approve the development deals. etc.

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I create a religion called NoSuchrealbism, I stringently enforce its doctrines via a religious police selected by the Devine embodiment of the No realities, NoSuchReality

I buy tons of arms on the market from the USA and import workers from India with no rights under the realibism doctrine.

I then distribute money at my whom as a divine grace to indigent masses and use my heavy armed ( and well treated) secret police and religious police to suppress any sense on non devolution while channeling the majority of profits to my off shore bank accounts in the carribean, Asia, Switzerland and else were.

I myself spend most of my time out of the country while body doubles enjoy the physical fruits of my Devine-hood until the likely coup

Anywhere from a few months to few years will leave me comfortably absconded with mass wealth

Or perhaps the Norway model.

Kind of a toss up.

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