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Participant[quote=yamashi][quote=scaredyclassic]
i better run this tat tax by some focus groups first.[/quote]Make sure you shake and slam your fist a lot while you’re doing it![/quote]
Yamashi – what does that mean?
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]theyre also really against slut shaming.
im neutral to pro slut shaming, a relic of a bygone pre amy schumer period. actually, the entirety of all covilization, except for a few free love hippies and i think some strange 1800s religious cults. but this “slut shaming is sexist” is new.
its related to fluid gender roles, i think…[/quote]
Similarly – there is next to no dress code in our high school. Idea is that if someone is distracted by a (usually) girl’s outfit, that’s the distractee’s problem, not the distractor. Daughter said she saw a number of girls wearing a bikini top under an open denim vest at school. Girls say dress code about shorts length etc is sexist. Son doesn’t think that it’s a big deal. It seems like there’s no forbidden fruit anymore and they are all bored.
In olden days, a glimpse of stocking
Was looked on as something shocking.
But now, God knows,
Anything goes.
Good authors too who once knew better words
Now only use four-letter words
Writing prose.
Anything goes.I guess all generations have felt the same way ….
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]im very suspicious of youngsters. they believe strange things.[/quote]
I love the word youngsters. And they do believe strange things – like the appropriateness of putting wet towels in the hamper.
Every generation seems to emphasize a few issues about which they will be more “open minded” than their parents. Sex, sexism, racism, transgender issues etc. are all issues some (not all) people have used over the years as badges of one generation or another. Sometimes I feel like groups get used as a tool by others to prove the others’ “right” way of thinking. Kind of like celebrities used to adopt diseases to “care” about so they would appear empathic.
As the old saying goes – I value more a kind word spoken close to my ear.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
stealing and hitting are nonconsensual. assume consent with all of the rich powerful guys partners..like say for instance loads of women will fuck trump just to get close to power, and he only grabs the pussies of those powerseekers. why is that morally wrong of him to do?
is ot “unnatural”?[/quote]
You started out saying ‘If most men could have sex with any woman . . . ” – so far we haven’t talked about the idea that anyone would have sex with Trump (Eeew, by the way). There are lots of gold diggers, but most women wouldn’t sleep with him, I don’t think.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]if most men could have sex with any woman at any time, they likely would have sex several times per day with different women.
if this is our nature, why is his expression of it so repugnant?[/quote]
Also, if people could steal the money of others without repercussions, many would do it. If people could hit or otherwise harm people they didn’t like without repercussions, they would also do it. The only way we get our children to stop acting like chimps is . . . doling out repercussions. I would find repugnant someone who said – “that person is so stupid I can steal their money and they don’t even try to stop me.” I would find someone who never learned to close their mouth while chewing, chose to bathe only when it suited them and god knows what all repugnant.
Morals are like (among other things) the room mate agreement in The Big Bang Theory. An attempt to avoid problems before they start. BTW – son went to look at a college on Saturday and lo and behold, they make them sign room mate agreements. Overall it was depressing – it was a big school and it was as if someone set off a neutron bomb – no (well, actually, very few) people anywhere. Nothing like my college experience – not sure if it’s the difference between the midwest and here. It’s like they’ve sapped all the fun out of it.
Participant[quote=harvey][quote=scaredyclassic]on the other hand, theres some truth to it. people love to suck up to power. if he had said, women drop their panties when they see a billionaire coming, it wouldnt have been offensive. or they let me do anything to them. if thats what he actually intended to convey, well, that just sort of true.[/quote]
Even if is true that there is some level of consent, it’s not admirable that he exploits it, and it’s downright creepy that he brags about exploiting it to random acquaintances.[/quote]
Yes – true. It’s a little Hugh Hefner-y who I also find creepy. According to the NYT today, Hillary has an 88% chance of winning, so hopefully he will crawl back to Trump Tower and we can stop talking about this tawdry stuff.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
on the other hand, theres some truth to it. people love to suck up to power. if he had said, women drop their panties when they see a billionaire coming, it wouldnt have been offensive. or they let me do anything to them. if thats what he actually intended to convey, well, that just sort of true.[/quote]
I agree with this. My brother in law used to be a senior executive at a big ad agency. He was responsible for a variety of national TV/print ad campaigns. He was (initially) shocked at the matter of fact offers that he got from a lot of aspiring actresses that wanted to be the face of – well, whatever. Lily Tomlin once said: “No matter how cynical I get, it’s never enough to keep up.” Sad, but true. He does marketing for a museum now – my guess is that it’s a different story.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=enron_by_the_sea][quote=svelte][quote=Blogstar]
Bunch of holier than thou type liberals posting on Facebook and going off on Public Radio, but failing to understand or delve into the fact that women say stuff like “if it were me, I would have cut his dick off” and ” hang him by his balls” and “kick him in the balls” “shove a stick up his ……[/quote]Uh, my wife has never ever said anything even remotely like that. Ever.
Nor have I ever said anything like Trump said. Ever.
I can say that for sure.[/quote]
+1
I don’t personally know anybody over the age of 21 who talks like that either. And I am pretty sure that if somebody talked like that, most people I know will certainly not condone it.[/quote]
I suggest you tape and take a good long look at all three hours of “Today”.
Seriously, that last hour with Hoda and Kathy Lee, not as vulgar, but just as crass, IMO.
It’s like watching a couple 50 year old high school girls talking smack.[/quote]
Perhaps – but that’s not real conversation. Those are people wanting to say whatever they can to gain ratings.
As a woman, I can say that I have never said anything like that nor can I recall any woman I know saying that – other than a suggestion to kick someone in the groin in a self defense situation.
On a different note, I just accidentally touched a click ad next to the comment box and was taken to a website for, no joke, Algae Barn. What does that say about this thread?
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Some sociology is enabling Trump.
Who did the enabling and what do we do with the ideology and the people?
Don’t we all have the responsibility to destroy such thinking?[/quote]Who died and left you to run the thought processes of the world? And where did you get the narcissism to believe that you know the best way to think? More practically, how would you even do that? Electrodes and mercury? I can say in all honesty I have never considered the idea of trying to destroy people’s thoughts.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]
am i offended by lbj whipping out his cock? no. not really.
its just the same old story. powerful men exercising power.hillary 2016!!![/quote]
Just for the record – being a flasher/ public indecency is not an exercise of power. It is a psychiatric problem and/or a crime. The fact that he wasn’t arrested may have been a result of his power – but not the act.
I do agree with you that anyone who would want to be President, with all it entails, is crazy.[/quote]
whipping it out is normal in some fratlike contexts. not a psych problem necessarily. lbj was not nuts because he pointed “jumbo” at a,reporter as an answer to the question, “why are we in vietnam”.
he was making a point. seems kind of wacky, but powerful men do crazy shit to assert dominance over others.[/quote]
Or do crazy men become powerful because they don’t engage in the reality checks that other people do? For example, Winston Churchill.
[quote=scaredyclassic]killing the questioner in an earlier time mightve bern a normal response as well.
what seems crazy shifts over time. [/quote]
I agree, but it was not in any way normal or acceptable to expose yourself to reporters during LBJs time.
[quote=scaredyclassic]we need younger candidates[/quote]
Maybe. We need better candidates – and in case it needs to be mentioned, ones who don’t like fondling themselves in public.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]In terms of science, what is more ridiculously alarmist, climate change or money crisis?
Humans created money. We can manage money just fine. And we will do what needs done.
Screw with the climate and there will be unmanageable consequences.[/quote]HA! When did we start managing money just fine? And, with respect to your second point – it depends on how much we screw with it in what way. The ozone layer seems to be recovering. Getting back to the skepticism from another post, lots of scientists have lots of predictions based on lots of hypotheticals. I don’t trust any of the much anymore.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
am i offended by lbj whipping out his cock? no. not really.
its just the same old story. powerful men exercising power.hillary 2016!!![/quote]
Just for the record – being a flasher/ public indecency is not an exercise of power. It is a psychiatric problem and/or a crime. The fact that he wasn’t arrested may have been a result of his power – but not the act.
I do agree with you that anyone who would want to be President, with all it entails, is crazy.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
I agree. They don’t like Al Gore either.
Why do you think that is? Maybe you have a simple explanation.I think reporters should retire sooner and let younger generations reflect demographics. No wonder the traditional media are losing relevence.[/quote]
#1 South Park had an interesting episode on Al Gore (man bear pig). It lampooned his somewhat over-serious and alarmist tendencies (described here: https://www.skepticalscience.com/al-gore-inconvenient-truth-errors.htm – Before you tell me it’s a stupid website, go to the home page. It’s one that refutes the arguments against human responsibility for recent global warming trends. )
#2. What ever happened to the wisdom of elders? I have to say – I went through a time when it appeared undeniable that saturated fat was bad, eggs and butter were to be avoided (though high trans fat margarine was encouraged) and lowering your cholesterol was the answer to heart disease.
I used to think science was knowable and relatively without bias. I now am skeptical of everything. You have to live through a series of events like that before you see that no matter how established anything appears, there is always the possibility that it isn’t true. People believed for years that ulcers were caused by acid – the guy who proposed that it was an infection had to actually infect and cure himself to get any attention. And now because of that crazy open minded guy, no one has to have surgeries for ulcers.
We need old codgers who have been let down, bamboozled or misled before. Who have seen that common wisdom is often plain wrong.
Participant[quote=zk]
If you get trump, you deserve him.[/quote]
Have you read anything that I’ve written other than what you’ve quoted? I’m not a Trump supporter.[/quote]
I have read what you’ve written, and I didn’t say you were a Trump supporter. You don’t have to be a Trump supporter. You just have to fall for the right-wing noise machine BS and not vote for Clinton.[/quote]
Why would I want to “get [him]” then? It seems like you are angry that anyone criticizes this woman – or you are 13 and have to believe that people are either GOOD or BAD. I’ll probably vote for her – but I’ll have to hold my nose.
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