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meadandale
Participant“Why not say it’s marriage?”
Because MARRIAGE is a religious institution dating back thousands of years and is defined as a union between a man and a woman in every religion that it is practiced in.
The government should never have gotten involved in marriage in the first place (blood tests, certificates, …).
I have no problem with government establishing a ‘legal union’ law, but again, you are going to have to resolve the questions about who it applies to–most people just conveniently sweep this problem under the rug. Can I have a legal union with my dog? With my car? With multiple partners?
However, I will never, ever be okay with the government calling Adam and Steve “married”. It’s simply not the case. This says nothing about the fact that they love each other or are committed partners–I don’t dispute this is the case. They just aren’t “married”.
No lawsuit you file, PR campaign you plaster on bill boards, screaming from your bully pulpit or angry foot stomping by gay marriage supporters will persuade me to alter this viewpoint. It has nothing to do with ignorance–it’s just how I feel and frankly I don’t need to justify or explain it to anyone.
Participant“Why not say it’s marriage?”
Because MARRIAGE is a religious institution dating back thousands of years and is defined as a union between a man and a woman in every religion that it is practiced in.
The government should never have gotten involved in marriage in the first place (blood tests, certificates, …).
I have no problem with government establishing a ‘legal union’ law, but again, you are going to have to resolve the questions about who it applies to–most people just conveniently sweep this problem under the rug. Can I have a legal union with my dog? With my car? With multiple partners?
However, I will never, ever be okay with the government calling Adam and Steve “married”. It’s simply not the case. This says nothing about the fact that they love each other or are committed partners–I don’t dispute this is the case. They just aren’t “married”.
No lawsuit you file, PR campaign you plaster on bill boards, screaming from your bully pulpit or angry foot stomping by gay marriage supporters will persuade me to alter this viewpoint. It has nothing to do with ignorance–it’s just how I feel and frankly I don’t need to justify or explain it to anyone.
Participant“Why not say it’s marriage?”
Because MARRIAGE is a religious institution dating back thousands of years and is defined as a union between a man and a woman in every religion that it is practiced in.
The government should never have gotten involved in marriage in the first place (blood tests, certificates, …).
I have no problem with government establishing a ‘legal union’ law, but again, you are going to have to resolve the questions about who it applies to–most people just conveniently sweep this problem under the rug. Can I have a legal union with my dog? With my car? With multiple partners?
However, I will never, ever be okay with the government calling Adam and Steve “married”. It’s simply not the case. This says nothing about the fact that they love each other or are committed partners–I don’t dispute this is the case. They just aren’t “married”.
No lawsuit you file, PR campaign you plaster on bill boards, screaming from your bully pulpit or angry foot stomping by gay marriage supporters will persuade me to alter this viewpoint. It has nothing to do with ignorance–it’s just how I feel and frankly I don’t need to justify or explain it to anyone.
ParticipantIt’s funny that you concede almost all of my points yet I don’t see you being a cheerleader for incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy.
Apparently the homesexual ‘lobby’ has strong enough financial backing to build the grassroots groundswell of support.
As to being brainwashed, that’s YOUR opinion. I could argue that many of your views are the result of ‘brainwashing’ by the media and your liberal idealogues.
Finally, you may disagree with the notion of ‘social norms’ but they are a fact of life unless you are a hermit. Even if you were living in a commune, there would be things that are aren’t ‘acceptable’.
Cannibalism, murder, polygamy, etc ad nauseum–virtually anything that you can think of is subject to cultural and societal influences. Human sacrifice used to be common amongst some quite advanced cultures. Today we mostly frown upon it. How come? We certainly don’t have a problem killing our enemies. Why not capture them live and gut them on an altar to appease our ‘god’?
Animal sacrifices, similarly, used to be quite common (and still are in some cultures). We think nothing of killing animals to eat, to help us develop better drugs or for no reason at all because their owners have abandoned them. However we seem to look down on killing them as an offering to a ‘god’. Why is that?
Should anything go? Everything is fair game now? Or is gay ‘marriage’ simply OK just because it is your new pet cause and you say it is ok?
ParticipantIt’s funny that you concede almost all of my points yet I don’t see you being a cheerleader for incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy.
Apparently the homesexual ‘lobby’ has strong enough financial backing to build the grassroots groundswell of support.
As to being brainwashed, that’s YOUR opinion. I could argue that many of your views are the result of ‘brainwashing’ by the media and your liberal idealogues.
Finally, you may disagree with the notion of ‘social norms’ but they are a fact of life unless you are a hermit. Even if you were living in a commune, there would be things that are aren’t ‘acceptable’.
Cannibalism, murder, polygamy, etc ad nauseum–virtually anything that you can think of is subject to cultural and societal influences. Human sacrifice used to be common amongst some quite advanced cultures. Today we mostly frown upon it. How come? We certainly don’t have a problem killing our enemies. Why not capture them live and gut them on an altar to appease our ‘god’?
Animal sacrifices, similarly, used to be quite common (and still are in some cultures). We think nothing of killing animals to eat, to help us develop better drugs or for no reason at all because their owners have abandoned them. However we seem to look down on killing them as an offering to a ‘god’. Why is that?
Should anything go? Everything is fair game now? Or is gay ‘marriage’ simply OK just because it is your new pet cause and you say it is ok?
ParticipantIt’s funny that you concede almost all of my points yet I don’t see you being a cheerleader for incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy.
Apparently the homesexual ‘lobby’ has strong enough financial backing to build the grassroots groundswell of support.
As to being brainwashed, that’s YOUR opinion. I could argue that many of your views are the result of ‘brainwashing’ by the media and your liberal idealogues.
Finally, you may disagree with the notion of ‘social norms’ but they are a fact of life unless you are a hermit. Even if you were living in a commune, there would be things that are aren’t ‘acceptable’.
Cannibalism, murder, polygamy, etc ad nauseum–virtually anything that you can think of is subject to cultural and societal influences. Human sacrifice used to be common amongst some quite advanced cultures. Today we mostly frown upon it. How come? We certainly don’t have a problem killing our enemies. Why not capture them live and gut them on an altar to appease our ‘god’?
Animal sacrifices, similarly, used to be quite common (and still are in some cultures). We think nothing of killing animals to eat, to help us develop better drugs or for no reason at all because their owners have abandoned them. However we seem to look down on killing them as an offering to a ‘god’. Why is that?
Should anything go? Everything is fair game now? Or is gay ‘marriage’ simply OK just because it is your new pet cause and you say it is ok?
ParticipantIt’s funny that you concede almost all of my points yet I don’t see you being a cheerleader for incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy.
Apparently the homesexual ‘lobby’ has strong enough financial backing to build the grassroots groundswell of support.
As to being brainwashed, that’s YOUR opinion. I could argue that many of your views are the result of ‘brainwashing’ by the media and your liberal idealogues.
Finally, you may disagree with the notion of ‘social norms’ but they are a fact of life unless you are a hermit. Even if you were living in a commune, there would be things that are aren’t ‘acceptable’.
Cannibalism, murder, polygamy, etc ad nauseum–virtually anything that you can think of is subject to cultural and societal influences. Human sacrifice used to be common amongst some quite advanced cultures. Today we mostly frown upon it. How come? We certainly don’t have a problem killing our enemies. Why not capture them live and gut them on an altar to appease our ‘god’?
Animal sacrifices, similarly, used to be quite common (and still are in some cultures). We think nothing of killing animals to eat, to help us develop better drugs or for no reason at all because their owners have abandoned them. However we seem to look down on killing them as an offering to a ‘god’. Why is that?
Should anything go? Everything is fair game now? Or is gay ‘marriage’ simply OK just because it is your new pet cause and you say it is ok?
ParticipantIt’s funny that you concede almost all of my points yet I don’t see you being a cheerleader for incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy.
Apparently the homesexual ‘lobby’ has strong enough financial backing to build the grassroots groundswell of support.
As to being brainwashed, that’s YOUR opinion. I could argue that many of your views are the result of ‘brainwashing’ by the media and your liberal idealogues.
Finally, you may disagree with the notion of ‘social norms’ but they are a fact of life unless you are a hermit. Even if you were living in a commune, there would be things that are aren’t ‘acceptable’.
Cannibalism, murder, polygamy, etc ad nauseum–virtually anything that you can think of is subject to cultural and societal influences. Human sacrifice used to be common amongst some quite advanced cultures. Today we mostly frown upon it. How come? We certainly don’t have a problem killing our enemies. Why not capture them live and gut them on an altar to appease our ‘god’?
Animal sacrifices, similarly, used to be quite common (and still are in some cultures). We think nothing of killing animals to eat, to help us develop better drugs or for no reason at all because their owners have abandoned them. However we seem to look down on killing them as an offering to a ‘god’. Why is that?
Should anything go? Everything is fair game now? Or is gay ‘marriage’ simply OK just because it is your new pet cause and you say it is ok?
Participant“People who are against gay marriage are the same people who want to pass laws which tell a woman what to do with HER body, ban stem cell research and want to ban evolution from being taught in school (Creationism is not a theory, by definition theories are proven by an experiment which is repeatable with the same result, you cannot repeat the Creationism experiment therefore it is not a theory). They argue on emotion and belief not fact or logic”
Wow…generalize much?
I love how the ‘liberal’ response to people who don’t agree with them is to engage in ad hominem attacks–there is no debating people like you since the only right viewpoint is yours–everyone else is an idiot. So much for having an open mind. Liberals are only ‘tolerant’ of people who have the same viewpoint as them. Everyone else is a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging moron.
Participant“People who are against gay marriage are the same people who want to pass laws which tell a woman what to do with HER body, ban stem cell research and want to ban evolution from being taught in school (Creationism is not a theory, by definition theories are proven by an experiment which is repeatable with the same result, you cannot repeat the Creationism experiment therefore it is not a theory). They argue on emotion and belief not fact or logic”
Wow…generalize much?
I love how the ‘liberal’ response to people who don’t agree with them is to engage in ad hominem attacks–there is no debating people like you since the only right viewpoint is yours–everyone else is an idiot. So much for having an open mind. Liberals are only ‘tolerant’ of people who have the same viewpoint as them. Everyone else is a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging moron.
Participant“People who are against gay marriage are the same people who want to pass laws which tell a woman what to do with HER body, ban stem cell research and want to ban evolution from being taught in school (Creationism is not a theory, by definition theories are proven by an experiment which is repeatable with the same result, you cannot repeat the Creationism experiment therefore it is not a theory). They argue on emotion and belief not fact or logic”
Wow…generalize much?
I love how the ‘liberal’ response to people who don’t agree with them is to engage in ad hominem attacks–there is no debating people like you since the only right viewpoint is yours–everyone else is an idiot. So much for having an open mind. Liberals are only ‘tolerant’ of people who have the same viewpoint as them. Everyone else is a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging moron.
Participant“People who are against gay marriage are the same people who want to pass laws which tell a woman what to do with HER body, ban stem cell research and want to ban evolution from being taught in school (Creationism is not a theory, by definition theories are proven by an experiment which is repeatable with the same result, you cannot repeat the Creationism experiment therefore it is not a theory). They argue on emotion and belief not fact or logic”
Wow…generalize much?
I love how the ‘liberal’ response to people who don’t agree with them is to engage in ad hominem attacks–there is no debating people like you since the only right viewpoint is yours–everyone else is an idiot. So much for having an open mind. Liberals are only ‘tolerant’ of people who have the same viewpoint as them. Everyone else is a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging moron.
Participant“People who are against gay marriage are the same people who want to pass laws which tell a woman what to do with HER body, ban stem cell research and want to ban evolution from being taught in school (Creationism is not a theory, by definition theories are proven by an experiment which is repeatable with the same result, you cannot repeat the Creationism experiment therefore it is not a theory). They argue on emotion and belief not fact or logic”
Wow…generalize much?
I love how the ‘liberal’ response to people who don’t agree with them is to engage in ad hominem attacks–there is no debating people like you since the only right viewpoint is yours–everyone else is an idiot. So much for having an open mind. Liberals are only ‘tolerant’ of people who have the same viewpoint as them. Everyone else is a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging moron.
ParticipantLooks like Rick Santorum made the same argument that I just floated:
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