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I know someone who almost died from this. She and her roommate passed out but the roommate luckily woke up and they both ended up in the hospiital. They were in a rental.

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I know someone who almost died from this. She and her roommate passed out but the roommate luckily woke up and they both ended up in the hospiital. They were in a rental.

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What a great thread this has been.

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What a great thread this has been.

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What a great thread this has been.

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What a great thread this has been.

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What a great thread this has been.

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I think little Rush is not too happy with the salesmen.

Here’s a pretty cool take from “JustusvV” who posted to song meanings.net:

“For the words of the profits were written on the studio walls / And concert halls / And echoes with the sound of salesmen”

That is a quite obvious reference to “The Sound of Silence” by Simon and Garfunkel where it says:

“The words of the prophets / are written on the subway walls / And tenement halls. / And whisper’d in the sounds of silence.”

JustusvV

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I think little Rush is not too happy with the salesmen.

Here’s a pretty cool take from “JustusvV” who posted to song meanings.net:

“For the words of the profits were written on the studio walls / And concert halls / And echoes with the sound of salesmen”

That is a quite obvious reference to “The Sound of Silence” by Simon and Garfunkel where it says:

“The words of the prophets / are written on the subway walls / And tenement halls. / And whisper’d in the sounds of silence.”

JustusvV

[KSMountain]

I think little Rush is not too happy with the salesmen.

Here’s a pretty cool take from “JustusvV” who posted to song meanings.net:

“For the words of the profits were written on the studio walls / And concert halls / And echoes with the sound of salesmen”

That is a quite obvious reference to “The Sound of Silence” by Simon and Garfunkel where it says:

“The words of the prophets / are written on the subway walls / And tenement halls. / And whisper’d in the sounds of silence.”

JustusvV

[KSMountain]

I think little Rush is not too happy with the salesmen.

Here’s a pretty cool take from “JustusvV” who posted to song meanings.net:

“For the words of the profits were written on the studio walls / And concert halls / And echoes with the sound of salesmen”

That is a quite obvious reference to “The Sound of Silence” by Simon and Garfunkel where it says:

“The words of the prophets / are written on the subway walls / And tenement halls. / And whisper’d in the sounds of silence.”

JustusvV

[KSMountain]

I think little Rush is not too happy with the salesmen.

Here’s a pretty cool take from “JustusvV” who posted to song meanings.net:

“For the words of the profits were written on the studio walls / And concert halls / And echoes with the sound of salesmen”

That is a quite obvious reference to “The Sound of Silence” by Simon and Garfunkel where it says:

“The words of the prophets / are written on the subway walls / And tenement halls. / And whisper’d in the sounds of silence.”

JustusvV

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[quote=flu]I’m sorry, but can someone help me understand the intense interest in GATE programs?

What do you learn in gate versus non-gate versus what you could learn just by sending your kid to an enrichment program or two…[/quote]

Flu,

Well, this will be a bit of a personal post, but hopefully I can keep from going too far into the weeds:

I was in cluster, in San Diego, throughout the 70’s. There *was* a difference in the education at that time. Was it an unambiguous win? Is it the same now? I don’t know. Here are some anecdotes:

In 5th grade, the cluster kids had a different reading textbook. It was more advanced and much more interesting. The other kids didn’t seem to even notice the bifurcation.

I recall in 8th grade an exercise in a cluster U.S. history class. It was a game with special materials and we were simulating running a naval blockade of the u.s. coast during the civil war. Different groups of students played different roles with different objectives. It was complicated and fun. I dont think this kind of exercise was going on in the other classes.

I recall a class where literally the entire SDUSD film catalog was handed to me and I could order any film or “filmstrip” that interested me, and it would be delivered in a few days and I could watch it. I don’t recall what the rules were about how often I could do this, but it may have been as much as a day a week. I benefited from that I think.

I was in one class where it was a combination of only cluster and seminar folks (we used those same exact terms back then, but quietly, (which is a bit of a weird position to put a kid in, btw)). Anyway, what I recall about this class was it was filled with multiple rotating racks of paperback books, and you could read any of them on class time. Which was cool, I guess, but is that really better than something more structured? I recall I read “Sybil” and “The boy who could make himself disappear” at that time, neither of which are especially cheery stories.

It was also there that I started to observe and form the opinion that the seminar folks were spending too much time with each other. They were the same group of 15 or so segregated into their own classes for say 4 out of 6 classes. So they really weren’t exposed to simply the quantity (let alone the diversity) of the full student body – and it showed.

I had a friend in seminar who told me they had explored, for like a week (with the teacher as facilitator), how our junior high school might go about seceding from the U.S. I thought that was pretty cool at the time. Now I’m not so sure that was a good use of a week, but perhaps it could be, depending on the teacher.

So my biased summary of all this might be:
cluster – probably good.
seminar – the kids are definitely smart but maybe not so good for socialization.

As a parent, I think you’d want to evaluate whether you thought the increased academic opportunities warranted the narrowed socialization. Maybe you combine it with enforced sports say to keep some balance. You’d also want to (try to) be comfortable your kid could handle less structure. I saw boys and girls both get into trouble.

I have plenty more to say on this topic – anyone interested in 30 yr old info/perspective feel free to pm me.

[KSMountain]

[quote=flu]I’m sorry, but can someone help me understand the intense interest in GATE programs?

What do you learn in gate versus non-gate versus what you could learn just by sending your kid to an enrichment program or two…[/quote]

Flu,

Well, this will be a bit of a personal post, but hopefully I can keep from going too far into the weeds:

I was in cluster, in San Diego, throughout the 70’s. There *was* a difference in the education at that time. Was it an unambiguous win? Is it the same now? I don’t know. Here are some anecdotes:

In 5th grade, the cluster kids had a different reading textbook. It was more advanced and much more interesting. The other kids didn’t seem to even notice the bifurcation.

I recall in 8th grade an exercise in a cluster U.S. history class. It was a game with special materials and we were simulating running a naval blockade of the u.s. coast during the civil war. Different groups of students played different roles with different objectives. It was complicated and fun. I dont think this kind of exercise was going on in the other classes.

I recall a class where literally the entire SDUSD film catalog was handed to me and I could order any film or “filmstrip” that interested me, and it would be delivered in a few days and I could watch it. I don’t recall what the rules were about how often I could do this, but it may have been as much as a day a week. I benefited from that I think.

I was in one class where it was a combination of only cluster and seminar folks (we used those same exact terms back then, but quietly, (which is a bit of a weird position to put a kid in, btw)). Anyway, what I recall about this class was it was filled with multiple rotating racks of paperback books, and you could read any of them on class time. Which was cool, I guess, but is that really better than something more structured? I recall I read “Sybil” and “The boy who could make himself disappear” at that time, neither of which are especially cheery stories.

It was also there that I started to observe and form the opinion that the seminar folks were spending too much time with each other. They were the same group of 15 or so segregated into their own classes for say 4 out of 6 classes. So they really weren’t exposed to simply the quantity (let alone the diversity) of the full student body – and it showed.

I had a friend in seminar who told me they had explored, for like a week (with the teacher as facilitator), how our junior high school might go about seceding from the U.S. I thought that was pretty cool at the time. Now I’m not so sure that was a good use of a week, but perhaps it could be, depending on the teacher.

So my biased summary of all this might be:
cluster – probably good.
seminar – the kids are definitely smart but maybe not so good for socialization.

As a parent, I think you’d want to evaluate whether you thought the increased academic opportunities warranted the narrowed socialization. Maybe you combine it with enforced sports say to keep some balance. You’d also want to (try to) be comfortable your kid could handle less structure. I saw boys and girls both get into trouble.

I have plenty more to say on this topic – anyone interested in 30 yr old info/perspective feel free to pm me.

[KSMountain]

[quote=flu]I’m sorry, but can someone help me understand the intense interest in GATE programs?

What do you learn in gate versus non-gate versus what you could learn just by sending your kid to an enrichment program or two…[/quote]

Flu,

Well, this will be a bit of a personal post, but hopefully I can keep from going too far into the weeds:

I was in cluster, in San Diego, throughout the 70’s. There *was* a difference in the education at that time. Was it an unambiguous win? Is it the same now? I don’t know. Here are some anecdotes:

In 5th grade, the cluster kids had a different reading textbook. It was more advanced and much more interesting. The other kids didn’t seem to even notice the bifurcation.

I recall in 8th grade an exercise in a cluster U.S. history class. It was a game with special materials and we were simulating running a naval blockade of the u.s. coast during the civil war. Different groups of students played different roles with different objectives. It was complicated and fun. I dont think this kind of exercise was going on in the other classes.

I recall a class where literally the entire SDUSD film catalog was handed to me and I could order any film or “filmstrip” that interested me, and it would be delivered in a few days and I could watch it. I don’t recall what the rules were about how often I could do this, but it may have been as much as a day a week. I benefited from that I think.

I was in one class where it was a combination of only cluster and seminar folks (we used those same exact terms back then, but quietly, (which is a bit of a weird position to put a kid in, btw)). Anyway, what I recall about this class was it was filled with multiple rotating racks of paperback books, and you could read any of them on class time. Which was cool, I guess, but is that really better than something more structured? I recall I read “Sybil” and “The boy who could make himself disappear” at that time, neither of which are especially cheery stories.

It was also there that I started to observe and form the opinion that the seminar folks were spending too much time with each other. They were the same group of 15 or so segregated into their own classes for say 4 out of 6 classes. So they really weren’t exposed to simply the quantity (let alone the diversity) of the full student body – and it showed.

I had a friend in seminar who told me they had explored, for like a week (with the teacher as facilitator), how our junior high school might go about seceding from the U.S. I thought that was pretty cool at the time. Now I’m not so sure that was a good use of a week, but perhaps it could be, depending on the teacher.

So my biased summary of all this might be:
cluster – probably good.
seminar – the kids are definitely smart but maybe not so good for socialization.

As a parent, I think you’d want to evaluate whether you thought the increased academic opportunities warranted the narrowed socialization. Maybe you combine it with enforced sports say to keep some balance. You’d also want to (try to) be comfortable your kid could handle less structure. I saw boys and girls both get into trouble.

I have plenty more to say on this topic – anyone interested in 30 yr old info/perspective feel free to pm me.

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