[justme]

[quote=TheBreeze][quote=CA renter]
In a society without marriage, and without any payment for the work women do (essentially, creating and bringing up the next generation of people), why would any woman have a child for a man? And if a woman did choose to have a child, there would be no reason to name that child after the sperm donor or to establish a relationship between the donor and her child, as the man would only be a hindrance to her independence and ability to find new mates or move for a career, etc.

Not sure why a man would think that’s some kind of utopia.[/quote]

Are you serious? Of all the married guys I know, only one actually got married with the desire to have kids. The rest did it because the woman wanted to.

Most of my married friends would gladly pay their wives to not have kids.

BTW, Brian, this is a great thread. Keep the words of wisdom coming.[/quote]

Getting married for any other reason than to create a framework for having children is insane. Why on earth could anyone be that stupid?

[justme]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Huckleberry]
Chicks know that once they have the marriage papers signed they have ultimate power in the relationship, and a high percentage of them use it, whether anyone likes to admit it or not.

[/quote]

Women as [are] socialized to marry well. [/quote]

They are not “socialized” to marry well. They are intrinsically and instinctively interested in it. Nobody needs to teach them.

Along the same lines: How may times have you heard a woman say something along the lines of “society expects us to do X”.

In reality, the truth is that “society currently has slipped into a state where we can get away with doing X”.

Push back, and do not allow women to control either the language or the agenda.

[justme]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Huckleberry]
Chicks know that once they have the marriage papers signed they have ultimate power in the relationship, and a high percentage of them use it, whether anyone likes to admit it or not.

[/quote]

Women as [are] socialized to marry well. [/quote]

They are not “socialized” to marry well. They are intrinsically and instinctively interested in it. Nobody needs to teach them.

Along the same lines: How may times have you heard a woman say something along the lines of “society expects us to do X”.

In reality, the truth is that “society currently has slipped into a state where we can get away with doing X”.

Push back, and do not allow women to control either the language or the agenda.

[justme]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Huckleberry]
Chicks know that once they have the marriage papers signed they have ultimate power in the relationship, and a high percentage of them use it, whether anyone likes to admit it or not.

[/quote]

Women as [are] socialized to marry well. [/quote]

They are not “socialized” to marry well. They are intrinsically and instinctively interested in it. Nobody needs to teach them.

Along the same lines: How may times have you heard a woman say something along the lines of “society expects us to do X”.

In reality, the truth is that “society currently has slipped into a state where we can get away with doing X”.

Push back, and do not allow women to control either the language or the agenda.

[justme]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Huckleberry]
Chicks know that once they have the marriage papers signed they have ultimate power in the relationship, and a high percentage of them use it, whether anyone likes to admit it or not.

[/quote]

Women as [are] socialized to marry well. [/quote]

They are not “socialized” to marry well. They are intrinsically and instinctively interested in it. Nobody needs to teach them.

Along the same lines: How may times have you heard a woman say something along the lines of “society expects us to do X”.

In reality, the truth is that “society currently has slipped into a state where we can get away with doing X”.

Push back, and do not allow women to control either the language or the agenda.

[justme]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Huckleberry]
Chicks know that once they have the marriage papers signed they have ultimate power in the relationship, and a high percentage of them use it, whether anyone likes to admit it or not.

[/quote]

Women as [are] socialized to marry well. [/quote]

They are not “socialized” to marry well. They are intrinsically and instinctively interested in it. Nobody needs to teach them.

Along the same lines: How may times have you heard a woman say something along the lines of “society expects us to do X”.

In reality, the truth is that “society currently has slipped into a state where we can get away with doing X”.

Push back, and do not allow women to control either the language or the agenda.

[justme]

Think of this the other way:

The most effective anti-bonus program so far has been the proposal by Sheila Bair at the FDIC that all the big banks (or is it all banks?) must prepay their FDIC insurance for 2009-Q4 to 2012 at the end of 2009.

That ought to put a real crimp on all the recent and new-found bank profits, and therefore also the bonus programs, one can hope. I think Sheila Bair is being very clever — she knows what the bankster bounus thieves are up to and at the same time has a valid need for the insurance premiums because the FIDC insurance fund is running low. For her and the American public it is a win-win situation to grab the profits while we can.

It’s the ultimate clawback, so to speak.

[justme]

Think of this the other way:

The most effective anti-bonus program so far has been the proposal by Sheila Bair at the FDIC that all the big banks (or is it all banks?) must prepay their FDIC insurance for 2009-Q4 to 2012 at the end of 2009.

That ought to put a real crimp on all the recent and new-found bank profits, and therefore also the bonus programs, one can hope. I think Sheila Bair is being very clever — she knows what the bankster bounus thieves are up to and at the same time has a valid need for the insurance premiums because the FIDC insurance fund is running low. For her and the American public it is a win-win situation to grab the profits while we can.

It’s the ultimate clawback, so to speak.

[justme]

Think of this the other way:

The most effective anti-bonus program so far has been the proposal by Sheila Bair at the FDIC that all the big banks (or is it all banks?) must prepay their FDIC insurance for 2009-Q4 to 2012 at the end of 2009.

That ought to put a real crimp on all the recent and new-found bank profits, and therefore also the bonus programs, one can hope. I think Sheila Bair is being very clever — she knows what the bankster bounus thieves are up to and at the same time has a valid need for the insurance premiums because the FIDC insurance fund is running low. For her and the American public it is a win-win situation to grab the profits while we can.

It’s the ultimate clawback, so to speak.

[justme]

Think of this the other way:

The most effective anti-bonus program so far has been the proposal by Sheila Bair at the FDIC that all the big banks (or is it all banks?) must prepay their FDIC insurance for 2009-Q4 to 2012 at the end of 2009.

That ought to put a real crimp on all the recent and new-found bank profits, and therefore also the bonus programs, one can hope. I think Sheila Bair is being very clever — she knows what the bankster bounus thieves are up to and at the same time has a valid need for the insurance premiums because the FIDC insurance fund is running low. For her and the American public it is a win-win situation to grab the profits while we can.

It’s the ultimate clawback, so to speak.

[justme]

Think of this the other way:

The most effective anti-bonus program so far has been the proposal by Sheila Bair at the FDIC that all the big banks (or is it all banks?) must prepay their FDIC insurance for 2009-Q4 to 2012 at the end of 2009.

That ought to put a real crimp on all the recent and new-found bank profits, and therefore also the bonus programs, one can hope. I think Sheila Bair is being very clever — she knows what the bankster bounus thieves are up to and at the same time has a valid need for the insurance premiums because the FIDC insurance fund is running low. For her and the American public it is a win-win situation to grab the profits while we can.

It’s the ultimate clawback, so to speak.

[justme]

Scaredycat, yes, we may just have proven that conclusively :-).

[justme]

Scaredycat, yes, we may just have proven that conclusively :-).

[justme]

Scaredycat, yes, we may just have proven that conclusively :-).

[justme]

Scaredycat, yes, we may just have proven that conclusively :-).

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