[jstoesz]

haha. Meh, I have been tasered before (Long story, but groups of males can be quite curious)…its not fun, but I would take it over a punch to the face.

Personally, I find it appalling, not that schools employ tasers, but that schools have any need for this what so ever. Teachers and schools have lost their power to maintain discipline, and this is the clear result.

[jstoesz]

haha. Meh, I have been tasered before (Long story, but groups of males can be quite curious)…its not fun, but I would take it over a punch to the face.

Personally, I find it appalling, not that schools employ tasers, but that schools have any need for this what so ever. Teachers and schools have lost their power to maintain discipline, and this is the clear result.

[jstoesz]

Nice, I was misinformed. Glad to see some of this law is not as bad as I thought.

Poke, I do not favor repeal unless repeal is tied into a lower tax structure across the board with some sort of limits on increasing taxes elsewhere (which is unlikely/impossible). Prop 13 strikes me as unfair none the less, but certainly less unfair than many of our confiscatory state tax policies.

So the stand alone repeal I would not support, because it would just send more money down the rat hole.

[jstoesz]

Nice, I was misinformed. Glad to see some of this law is not as bad as I thought.

Poke, I do not favor repeal unless repeal is tied into a lower tax structure across the board with some sort of limits on increasing taxes elsewhere (which is unlikely/impossible). Prop 13 strikes me as unfair none the less, but certainly less unfair than many of our confiscatory state tax policies.

So the stand alone repeal I would not support, because it would just send more money down the rat hole.

[jstoesz]

Nice, I was misinformed. Glad to see some of this law is not as bad as I thought.

Poke, I do not favor repeal unless repeal is tied into a lower tax structure across the board with some sort of limits on increasing taxes elsewhere (which is unlikely/impossible). Prop 13 strikes me as unfair none the less, but certainly less unfair than many of our confiscatory state tax policies.

So the stand alone repeal I would not support, because it would just send more money down the rat hole.

[jstoesz]

Nice, I was misinformed. Glad to see some of this law is not as bad as I thought.

Poke, I do not favor repeal unless repeal is tied into a lower tax structure across the board with some sort of limits on increasing taxes elsewhere (which is unlikely/impossible). Prop 13 strikes me as unfair none the less, but certainly less unfair than many of our confiscatory state tax policies.

So the stand alone repeal I would not support, because it would just send more money down the rat hole.

[jstoesz]

Nice, I was misinformed. Glad to see some of this law is not as bad as I thought.

Poke, I do not favor repeal unless repeal is tied into a lower tax structure across the board with some sort of limits on increasing taxes elsewhere (which is unlikely/impossible). Prop 13 strikes me as unfair none the less, but certainly less unfair than many of our confiscatory state tax policies.

So the stand alone repeal I would not support, because it would just send more money down the rat hole.

[jstoesz]

Fact is, prop 13 incites perverse incentives. It would be far preferable to simplify (ie reduce loopholes and stipulations). Across the board reduce taxes, and stop allowing people to game the system. Why is it beneficial for an old person to stay in their home of 30 years. Why should they get a reduced rate because they are sedentary? Because they have a fixed income? Why should they be better off than the old person who scales their housing needs to the size of their family as it changes through the years. (Seems to me the retiree who downsizes is being a more intelligent steward of resources). We should not tax people based on ability to pay and subsidize based on need (inability to pay). That is the fastest way to an irresponsible society, and it incites perverse outcomes that are not easily identified.

[jstoesz]

Fact is, prop 13 incites perverse incentives. It would be far preferable to simplify (ie reduce loopholes and stipulations). Across the board reduce taxes, and stop allowing people to game the system. Why is it beneficial for an old person to stay in their home of 30 years. Why should they get a reduced rate because they are sedentary? Because they have a fixed income? Why should they be better off than the old person who scales their housing needs to the size of their family as it changes through the years. (Seems to me the retiree who downsizes is being a more intelligent steward of resources). We should not tax people based on ability to pay and subsidize based on need (inability to pay). That is the fastest way to an irresponsible society, and it incites perverse outcomes that are not easily identified.

[jstoesz]

Fact is, prop 13 incites perverse incentives. It would be far preferable to simplify (ie reduce loopholes and stipulations). Across the board reduce taxes, and stop allowing people to game the system. Why is it beneficial for an old person to stay in their home of 30 years. Why should they get a reduced rate because they are sedentary? Because they have a fixed income? Why should they be better off than the old person who scales their housing needs to the size of their family as it changes through the years. (Seems to me the retiree who downsizes is being a more intelligent steward of resources). We should not tax people based on ability to pay and subsidize based on need (inability to pay). That is the fastest way to an irresponsible society, and it incites perverse outcomes that are not easily identified.

[jstoesz]

Fact is, prop 13 incites perverse incentives. It would be far preferable to simplify (ie reduce loopholes and stipulations). Across the board reduce taxes, and stop allowing people to game the system. Why is it beneficial for an old person to stay in their home of 30 years. Why should they get a reduced rate because they are sedentary? Because they have a fixed income? Why should they be better off than the old person who scales their housing needs to the size of their family as it changes through the years. (Seems to me the retiree who downsizes is being a more intelligent steward of resources). We should not tax people based on ability to pay and subsidize based on need (inability to pay). That is the fastest way to an irresponsible society, and it incites perverse outcomes that are not easily identified.

[jstoesz]

Fact is, prop 13 incites perverse incentives. It would be far preferable to simplify (ie reduce loopholes and stipulations). Across the board reduce taxes, and stop allowing people to game the system. Why is it beneficial for an old person to stay in their home of 30 years. Why should they get a reduced rate because they are sedentary? Because they have a fixed income? Why should they be better off than the old person who scales their housing needs to the size of their family as it changes through the years. (Seems to me the retiree who downsizes is being a more intelligent steward of resources). We should not tax people based on ability to pay and subsidize based on need (inability to pay). That is the fastest way to an irresponsible society, and it incites perverse outcomes that are not easily identified.

[jstoesz]

I am never for higher taxes in this state. And sadly if prop 13 was done away with, it would not be balanced with lower taxes for everyone else. So given the current state of CA politics, I can not support the repeal of prop 13. But if we are in a fantasy land thought experiment, I would whole heartedly support the repeal. It seems incredibly unfair, old people should have to pay equal taxes. If the neighborhood they moved into turns into LJ 20 years after buying, and they can’t afford the taxes, vote for lower taxes or move out like the rest of us. But if we heap a repeal of prop 13 onto the current tax rates, well that is just confiscatory.

[jstoesz]

I am never for higher taxes in this state. And sadly if prop 13 was done away with, it would not be balanced with lower taxes for everyone else. So given the current state of CA politics, I can not support the repeal of prop 13. But if we are in a fantasy land thought experiment, I would whole heartedly support the repeal. It seems incredibly unfair, old people should have to pay equal taxes. If the neighborhood they moved into turns into LJ 20 years after buying, and they can’t afford the taxes, vote for lower taxes or move out like the rest of us. But if we heap a repeal of prop 13 onto the current tax rates, well that is just confiscatory.

[jstoesz]

I am never for higher taxes in this state. And sadly if prop 13 was done away with, it would not be balanced with lower taxes for everyone else. So given the current state of CA politics, I can not support the repeal of prop 13. But if we are in a fantasy land thought experiment, I would whole heartedly support the repeal. It seems incredibly unfair, old people should have to pay equal taxes. If the neighborhood they moved into turns into LJ 20 years after buying, and they can’t afford the taxes, vote for lower taxes or move out like the rest of us. But if we heap a repeal of prop 13 onto the current tax rates, well that is just confiscatory.

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