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ParticipantI would like more people to own a gun, I think we would all be safer. But me personally, I am such an optimist (nothing bad will ever happen, and I am invincible besides) that I keep putting off the purchase. There are just too many cool things to buy for a few hundred bucks.
ParticipantI can not believe we are still talking about this. Does anyone really believe that Beck and Limbaugh and Obama and Maher are really the ones causing these crazies to lose it. Are you really trying to pin blame for these murders on them, for the way they expressed themselves.
As a society we need to look past what “caused” someone to do something. Bad people do bad things, because they are bad people. They could become good people, but they choose to be bad. We should not care if some serial rapist was molested as a child. Or why some wife beaters actions are not so bad because, after all, his dad beat him too. Move past the vitriol rhetoric and place the blame solely and absolutely on the bad person…Stop looking for other people to ensnare who have nothing to do with it.
No matter what I say, short of a “charles manson” maneuver, I can not make you commit mass murder. I think that liberals like going down this blame road, because at the heart of it, they think most people are stupid and incapable of acting independently with wisdom. So when a Limbaugh incites the rabble, the rednecks are just puppets of the puppet master. This liberal attitude becomes all the more clear when you consider all the laws liberals make to protect people from themselves.
Now that is condescension, and it makes me pretty damn angry. But, whew, it is a darn good thing I live in CA and guns are so hard to come by…
ParticipantI can not believe we are still talking about this. Does anyone really believe that Beck and Limbaugh and Obama and Maher are really the ones causing these crazies to lose it. Are you really trying to pin blame for these murders on them, for the way they expressed themselves.
As a society we need to look past what “caused” someone to do something. Bad people do bad things, because they are bad people. They could become good people, but they choose to be bad. We should not care if some serial rapist was molested as a child. Or why some wife beaters actions are not so bad because, after all, his dad beat him too. Move past the vitriol rhetoric and place the blame solely and absolutely on the bad person…Stop looking for other people to ensnare who have nothing to do with it.
No matter what I say, short of a “charles manson” maneuver, I can not make you commit mass murder. I think that liberals like going down this blame road, because at the heart of it, they think most people are stupid and incapable of acting independently with wisdom. So when a Limbaugh incites the rabble, the rednecks are just puppets of the puppet master. This liberal attitude becomes all the more clear when you consider all the laws liberals make to protect people from themselves.
Now that is condescension, and it makes me pretty damn angry. But, whew, it is a darn good thing I live in CA and guns are so hard to come by…
ParticipantI can not believe we are still talking about this. Does anyone really believe that Beck and Limbaugh and Obama and Maher are really the ones causing these crazies to lose it. Are you really trying to pin blame for these murders on them, for the way they expressed themselves.
As a society we need to look past what “caused” someone to do something. Bad people do bad things, because they are bad people. They could become good people, but they choose to be bad. We should not care if some serial rapist was molested as a child. Or why some wife beaters actions are not so bad because, after all, his dad beat him too. Move past the vitriol rhetoric and place the blame solely and absolutely on the bad person…Stop looking for other people to ensnare who have nothing to do with it.
No matter what I say, short of a “charles manson” maneuver, I can not make you commit mass murder. I think that liberals like going down this blame road, because at the heart of it, they think most people are stupid and incapable of acting independently with wisdom. So when a Limbaugh incites the rabble, the rednecks are just puppets of the puppet master. This liberal attitude becomes all the more clear when you consider all the laws liberals make to protect people from themselves.
Now that is condescension, and it makes me pretty damn angry. But, whew, it is a darn good thing I live in CA and guns are so hard to come by…
ParticipantI can not believe we are still talking about this. Does anyone really believe that Beck and Limbaugh and Obama and Maher are really the ones causing these crazies to lose it. Are you really trying to pin blame for these murders on them, for the way they expressed themselves.
As a society we need to look past what “caused” someone to do something. Bad people do bad things, because they are bad people. They could become good people, but they choose to be bad. We should not care if some serial rapist was molested as a child. Or why some wife beaters actions are not so bad because, after all, his dad beat him too. Move past the vitriol rhetoric and place the blame solely and absolutely on the bad person…Stop looking for other people to ensnare who have nothing to do with it.
No matter what I say, short of a “charles manson” maneuver, I can not make you commit mass murder. I think that liberals like going down this blame road, because at the heart of it, they think most people are stupid and incapable of acting independently with wisdom. So when a Limbaugh incites the rabble, the rednecks are just puppets of the puppet master. This liberal attitude becomes all the more clear when you consider all the laws liberals make to protect people from themselves.
Now that is condescension, and it makes me pretty damn angry. But, whew, it is a darn good thing I live in CA and guns are so hard to come by…
ParticipantI can not believe we are still talking about this. Does anyone really believe that Beck and Limbaugh and Obama and Maher are really the ones causing these crazies to lose it. Are you really trying to pin blame for these murders on them, for the way they expressed themselves.
As a society we need to look past what “caused” someone to do something. Bad people do bad things, because they are bad people. They could become good people, but they choose to be bad. We should not care if some serial rapist was molested as a child. Or why some wife beaters actions are not so bad because, after all, his dad beat him too. Move past the vitriol rhetoric and place the blame solely and absolutely on the bad person…Stop looking for other people to ensnare who have nothing to do with it.
No matter what I say, short of a “charles manson” maneuver, I can not make you commit mass murder. I think that liberals like going down this blame road, because at the heart of it, they think most people are stupid and incapable of acting independently with wisdom. So when a Limbaugh incites the rabble, the rednecks are just puppets of the puppet master. This liberal attitude becomes all the more clear when you consider all the laws liberals make to protect people from themselves.
Now that is condescension, and it makes me pretty damn angry. But, whew, it is a darn good thing I live in CA and guns are so hard to come by…
ParticipantThat study is simply asinine. If you believe violent action is NEVER justified, you are a complete moron or totally immoral. All that study shows me is that there are more conscientious objectors amongst the left (which should surprise no one), or more historically ill informed people amongst the left. This experiment we have with a constitutional democracy is not all that long running, when compared to historical governments. There is little certainty that one day, violent action will be more than justified. Anyone who says it is now, is pain stupid, but no one can predict the grizzly future, 40 years from now, or even 5…
BTW I do not own a gun, I am a cube dwelling engineer, who tends to be a bit of a social liberal, but I for one am glad the gun nuts exist.
ParticipantThat study is simply asinine. If you believe violent action is NEVER justified, you are a complete moron or totally immoral. All that study shows me is that there are more conscientious objectors amongst the left (which should surprise no one), or more historically ill informed people amongst the left. This experiment we have with a constitutional democracy is not all that long running, when compared to historical governments. There is little certainty that one day, violent action will be more than justified. Anyone who says it is now, is pain stupid, but no one can predict the grizzly future, 40 years from now, or even 5…
BTW I do not own a gun, I am a cube dwelling engineer, who tends to be a bit of a social liberal, but I for one am glad the gun nuts exist.
ParticipantThat study is simply asinine. If you believe violent action is NEVER justified, you are a complete moron or totally immoral. All that study shows me is that there are more conscientious objectors amongst the left (which should surprise no one), or more historically ill informed people amongst the left. This experiment we have with a constitutional democracy is not all that long running, when compared to historical governments. There is little certainty that one day, violent action will be more than justified. Anyone who says it is now, is pain stupid, but no one can predict the grizzly future, 40 years from now, or even 5…
BTW I do not own a gun, I am a cube dwelling engineer, who tends to be a bit of a social liberal, but I for one am glad the gun nuts exist.
ParticipantThat study is simply asinine. If you believe violent action is NEVER justified, you are a complete moron or totally immoral. All that study shows me is that there are more conscientious objectors amongst the left (which should surprise no one), or more historically ill informed people amongst the left. This experiment we have with a constitutional democracy is not all that long running, when compared to historical governments. There is little certainty that one day, violent action will be more than justified. Anyone who says it is now, is pain stupid, but no one can predict the grizzly future, 40 years from now, or even 5…
BTW I do not own a gun, I am a cube dwelling engineer, who tends to be a bit of a social liberal, but I for one am glad the gun nuts exist.
ParticipantThat study is simply asinine. If you believe violent action is NEVER justified, you are a complete moron or totally immoral. All that study shows me is that there are more conscientious objectors amongst the left (which should surprise no one), or more historically ill informed people amongst the left. This experiment we have with a constitutional democracy is not all that long running, when compared to historical governments. There is little certainty that one day, violent action will be more than justified. Anyone who says it is now, is pain stupid, but no one can predict the grizzly future, 40 years from now, or even 5…
BTW I do not own a gun, I am a cube dwelling engineer, who tends to be a bit of a social liberal, but I for one am glad the gun nuts exist.
ParticipantI too find this discussion particularly funny. I personally find little offensive (although little in life is offensive if you always consider the source). My beef with the current national conversation is not that is vitriolic (a word I have heard far too often lately), but that it is painfully banal. I would appreciate a more vitriolic conversation if it were at least filled with creative and covert insults instead of trite analogies to Hitler (see Dave Barry “how to win and argument”). But to be fair to Barry, a good bit of booze would also probably improve the conversation as well. Who ever thinks the us vs. them attitude in the media caused this tragedy must also think Marilyn Manson killed those kids in columbine. Maybe it is our societies inability to express itself, devoid of F words, that has caused a nation of frustrated schizophrenics. Or maybe we should herald the guidance of plato for a boxing ring in the center of every town (although he was most certainly a fascist).
ParticipantI too find this discussion particularly funny. I personally find little offensive (although little in life is offensive if you always consider the source). My beef with the current national conversation is not that is vitriolic (a word I have heard far too often lately), but that it is painfully banal. I would appreciate a more vitriolic conversation if it were at least filled with creative and covert insults instead of trite analogies to Hitler (see Dave Barry “how to win and argument”). But to be fair to Barry, a good bit of booze would also probably improve the conversation as well. Who ever thinks the us vs. them attitude in the media caused this tragedy must also think Marilyn Manson killed those kids in columbine. Maybe it is our societies inability to express itself, devoid of F words, that has caused a nation of frustrated schizophrenics. Or maybe we should herald the guidance of plato for a boxing ring in the center of every town (although he was most certainly a fascist).
ParticipantI too find this discussion particularly funny. I personally find little offensive (although little in life is offensive if you always consider the source). My beef with the current national conversation is not that is vitriolic (a word I have heard far too often lately), but that it is painfully banal. I would appreciate a more vitriolic conversation if it were at least filled with creative and covert insults instead of trite analogies to Hitler (see Dave Barry “how to win and argument”). But to be fair to Barry, a good bit of booze would also probably improve the conversation as well. Who ever thinks the us vs. them attitude in the media caused this tragedy must also think Marilyn Manson killed those kids in columbine. Maybe it is our societies inability to express itself, devoid of F words, that has caused a nation of frustrated schizophrenics. Or maybe we should herald the guidance of plato for a boxing ring in the center of every town (although he was most certainly a fascist).
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