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[quote=CA renter]Perhaps I’m missing something, but what BS hoop jumping? I’ve worked multiple jobs before (during college, so not high income jobs), but don’t remember it requiring anything other than what any other job requires. What’s so difficult about it?

I’d also say that the chances of taking on this extra work depends mostly on how badly I need the money. If we’re in a dire financial position, I’d do whatever it takes to make *any* additional money. The tax rate might bum me out if I’m already in a high bracket, but if I’m making that much money in the first place, it’s doubtful I’d be working a second job.[/quote]

When you work for someone else, they do the bs hoop jumping for you…it’s why you got paid crap.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=squat250]which reminds me…this is kind of actually true even though it’s from the 70’s and the dudes were probably really high when they wrote it…

“Teach Your Children”

You, who are on the road must have a code that you can live by.
And so become yourself because the past is just a good bye.
Teach your children well, their father’s hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams, the one they fix, the one you’ll know by.
Don’t you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

And you, of the tender years can’t know the fears that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth, they seek the truth before they can die.
Teach your parents well, their children’s hell will slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams, the one they fix,the one you’ll know by.
Don’t you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.[/quote]

Great song. Just bought tickets to see them in concert in September.[/quote]

I may be younger than you all, but I did own that vinyl…I may have bought at a garage sale for a quarter though.

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Cripes, why is everything double posting?

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Case and point… I live on 12 acres. The land is rented out to a horse boarder who pays my landlord rent for the use of the land. She is sick of the work, early feedings, broken fences, etc. I could take over the operation and net 300-400 bucks revenue before taxes…from my excel spreadsheet anyways. It would be easy to do that stuff, cause I live here, and I like that stuff. But after my tax burden that gets cut to 200 tops. After the head aches of getting feed delivered and cobblers ( is that what horse shoe men are called?). And having to set up high school kids when we are in the mountains for the weekend, and reporting the income, and insurance if someone breaks their neck, and all the other bullshit of running your own business, I am not even tempted. Not even close. The incentives are all wrong.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=jstoesz]Doesn’t it seem a little asinine that you guys are even debating this question? Who cares how the top 1% live? Stop this micro managing of other peoples money. I am personally sick of this jealous talk. Even with my families meager wages, I know the dis-incentives of the progressive income tax regiment. Have you all ever passed up a second source of income because the 30% additional off the top made it not worth the extra labor? I have passed up more than a few opportunities, because the cost and pain associated with taking on another labor and reporting it was not worth the additional dollars…

Let us incentivize additional work and entrepreneurship, not dis-incentivize it.

It is part tax, and part reporting. Let’s go to a simple consumption tax and stop this income tax madness…I can’t tell you how many of my efforts have been scared off by government reporting and regulation bullshit.[/quote]

I’ve never met a single person who would stop working for more money simply because it would be taxed at a higher rate. If that were so, we’d all be working for minimum wage so we wouldn’t have to pay all those extra taxes, wouldn’t we?

Any amount of money greater than zero is more than what we had before. It is up to the individual to decide for him/herself if it’s worth it to them. We have a surplus of labor, not a shortage, so someone else will be more than happy to take over where they left off and make the money, themselves.

No offense, but that is the stupidest excuse for not raising taxes I have ever heard (not saying that about you, just the argument, in general, as it’s what all the idiots on Fox keep repeating). Besides, the vast majority of people who would see significant tax increases do NOT make their money from labor; they are almost always capitalists who “make money from money.”[/quote]

I would take a pay raise in my current employment even if it causes me a higher tax burden, obviously. There is no additional work requirement, or maybe one that comes at the building of my resume. Will I take on a less lucrative side job at my current tax rate to make a few extra bucks? Well that all depends on how much less lucrative it is. It is a question of incentives. It will be a lot easier for my wife to drop to part time because my tax burden will go down. This is a decision we are currently making. So no, it is not a black and white issue, but for me it has an obviously deterring effect to do more work. And the government will receive less tax revenue as a result. If you do not see that, you have never considered a side income and the bullshit hoop jumping it requires.

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Double mistake

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Mistake

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If you think kids are luxury, look no further than the celibate societies…shakers for example. If you want your culture and values to perservere, children are a necessity! If you want fiscal responsibility to be the norm, teach your next generation yourself. Indoctrinating your kids is as old as time…they may rebel, but thats why you have lots of them. When they are adult consumers, it’s to late. Why do you think feminists are getting outnumbered? They stopped reproducing! for the good or the bad, the who reproduce affect the culture of the future.

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Doesn’t it seem a little asinine that you guys are even debating this question? Who cares how the top 1% live? Stop this micro managing of other peoples money. I am personally sick of this jealous talk. Even with my families meager wages, I know the dis-incentives of the progressive income tax regiment. Have you all ever passed up a second source of income because the 30% additional off the top made it not worth the extra labor? I have passed up more than a few opportunities, because the cost and pain associated with taking on another labor and reporting it was not worth the additional dollars…

Let us incentivize additional work and entrepreneurship, not dis-incentivize it.

It is part tax, and part reporting. Let’s go to a simple consumption tax and stop this income tax madness…I can’t tell you how many of my efforts have been scared off by government reporting and regulation bullshit.

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Coincidental timing on this thread for me. I found a crack in my plastic radiator of my 210k mile Honda a few days ago, and decided to replace it. 2 hours and 120 bucks later the job is done. Dealers charge 4 or 5 times that to replace. High mileage used cars make lots of sense, but only if you can do a most of the little stuff yourself. Fortunately, because the car is worth nothing, you don’t have to worry about breaking something when you do the work yourself.

I am crossing my fingers to keep this car going another 50k miles. Who wants to blow all that money on a new car, hell my AC still blows strong and cold. Honda all the way!

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That might just be something realtors say…

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Oh, but I also must mention, I do not have kids, so what do I know. Although, It is not in the too distant future, and mn is the likely destination. We shall see if the archetype holds up to reality soon enough.

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[quote=rired]We live in RI, outside of Newport. We have a five bedroom home with a water view (we live on an island). Our yard is just under an acre with mature landscaping. Our town is a bedroom community, very family oriented.

My husbands business partner lives in Coronado and they will select an office 1/2 between our two homes.

I’ve looked at homes in the three areas I mentioned and was *agast* at the selection in our price range ($1M-$1.5M).

Having given this more thought I believe we will select an area that has top notch public schools. I’d love it to be a coastal town but school reputation is more important to me.

Thank you for all the feedback![/quote]

My quick two cents, which probably isn’t worth much, I would like to give.

I grew up in Minnesota and that is my archetype. So my thoughts on SD are somewhat jaded because they do not live up to that archetype. When thinking about living in SD, my mind always came back to the fact that I needed to make more money. 1- 1.5 million seemed like mored than a good number to live in the neighborhoods that I would consider ideal, but my expectations are rather low still considering I live much cheaper than that. The two neighborhoods personally found ideal would be the wooded area of point Loma, it’s the one on the hill, and Rancho Santa Fe. Those are the only two neighborhoods I could live out my days in….

Mostly just wooded area though…

Check out modern sd if you are looking at living in something special! I hate stucco boxes, but that’s just me.

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I know you all haven’t been talking reliability, but I have to sing Honda praises. It will be hard for me to ever leave this brand after my 13 year old 210k mile crv. Only regularly scheduled maintenance until a few thousand miles ago. I thought I would have bought a newer car by now, but this thing keeps begging for me to see how far it will go. At this point I feel like it will go to at least 250. The dealer where I buy fluids says they have a guy with over 400k on his CRV, same engine and transmission.

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Most of the projects undertaken by the stimulus were simply maintenance projects already in the works. There was nothing new, the fungible state dollar could be moved to other holes in the state and local budgets. [/quote]

You could say the same thing about the WPA projects that my relatives worked on in 1940. Those roads and schools already existed, they were just improved upon with WPA dollars.

Look, if you want to get all worked up because dad gum it, the world has gone to hell since you used to wear an onion from your belt, go ahead. Just please gently brush the facts aside so the rest of us can continue to enjoy them.[/quote]

It just seems to be a vast difference between how much we spend and what we get. That’s all. I don’t have the figures and maybe you do. I see little tangible to show for all the money we have spent, stimulus and otherwise. Wasn’t trying to get worked up, simple as that.

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