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June 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #574646June 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #573574
Jim Jones
ParticipantNot to reintroduce politics into this discussion but I read an article about the financial collapse in Greece and a middle aged man was commenting on the lack of entrepreneurial spirit among the countries young employees which have been dubbed the 700 generation. I have referenced the article below. I wonder if our increased government intervention into many areas of our society is also going to lead to similar results in the future. Many on the left in Europe for generations wanted to end the scourge of the wage slave but it appears to be alive and well among the 700 generation in Greece. Not exactly what I beleive were their original intentions.
I bring this up in reference to the previous posts regarding the personalty and role of entrepreneurs in our culture and modern society. Not to introduce a liberal/conservative discussion.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/12/world/la-fg-greece-youth-20100613
To bring this back on topic; did the 700 generation not know what they should have known but they could not have known because they have not known it any other way in their country?
June 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #573670ParticipantNot to reintroduce politics into this discussion but I read an article about the financial collapse in Greece and a middle aged man was commenting on the lack of entrepreneurial spirit among the countries young employees which have been dubbed the 700 generation. I have referenced the article below. I wonder if our increased government intervention into many areas of our society is also going to lead to similar results in the future. Many on the left in Europe for generations wanted to end the scourge of the wage slave but it appears to be alive and well among the 700 generation in Greece. Not exactly what I beleive were their original intentions.
I bring this up in reference to the previous posts regarding the personalty and role of entrepreneurs in our culture and modern society. Not to introduce a liberal/conservative discussion.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/12/world/la-fg-greece-youth-20100613
To bring this back on topic; did the 700 generation not know what they should have known but they could not have known because they have not known it any other way in their country?
June 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #574191ParticipantNot to reintroduce politics into this discussion but I read an article about the financial collapse in Greece and a middle aged man was commenting on the lack of entrepreneurial spirit among the countries young employees which have been dubbed the 700 generation. I have referenced the article below. I wonder if our increased government intervention into many areas of our society is also going to lead to similar results in the future. Many on the left in Europe for generations wanted to end the scourge of the wage slave but it appears to be alive and well among the 700 generation in Greece. Not exactly what I beleive were their original intentions.
I bring this up in reference to the previous posts regarding the personalty and role of entrepreneurs in our culture and modern society. Not to introduce a liberal/conservative discussion.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/12/world/la-fg-greece-youth-20100613
To bring this back on topic; did the 700 generation not know what they should have known but they could not have known because they have not known it any other way in their country?
June 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #574298ParticipantNot to reintroduce politics into this discussion but I read an article about the financial collapse in Greece and a middle aged man was commenting on the lack of entrepreneurial spirit among the countries young employees which have been dubbed the 700 generation. I have referenced the article below. I wonder if our increased government intervention into many areas of our society is also going to lead to similar results in the future. Many on the left in Europe for generations wanted to end the scourge of the wage slave but it appears to be alive and well among the 700 generation in Greece. Not exactly what I beleive were their original intentions.
I bring this up in reference to the previous posts regarding the personalty and role of entrepreneurs in our culture and modern society. Not to introduce a liberal/conservative discussion.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/12/world/la-fg-greece-youth-20100613
To bring this back on topic; did the 700 generation not know what they should have known but they could not have known because they have not known it any other way in their country?
June 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #574596ParticipantNot to reintroduce politics into this discussion but I read an article about the financial collapse in Greece and a middle aged man was commenting on the lack of entrepreneurial spirit among the countries young employees which have been dubbed the 700 generation. I have referenced the article below. I wonder if our increased government intervention into many areas of our society is also going to lead to similar results in the future. Many on the left in Europe for generations wanted to end the scourge of the wage slave but it appears to be alive and well among the 700 generation in Greece. Not exactly what I beleive were their original intentions.
I bring this up in reference to the previous posts regarding the personalty and role of entrepreneurs in our culture and modern society. Not to introduce a liberal/conservative discussion.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/12/world/la-fg-greece-youth-20100613
To bring this back on topic; did the 700 generation not know what they should have known but they could not have known because they have not known it any other way in their country?
June 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #573564Participant[quote=KSMountain][quote=CardiffBaseball]In any case I find “knowing better” at times to be…very limiting while the clueless are apparently shielded from any self-doubt.[/quote]
Yes that’s an interesting counterpoint to this thread isn’t it? We can congratulate ourselves on not being one of those “too-stupid-to-even-realize-how-stupid-they-are”, but on the other hand, you need some people to go out and take risk and try things, despite conventional “wisdom”.It’s interesting to me this interplay of ignorance (perhaps sometimes willful) and its relationship to entrepreneurism and learning. You could even argue it has a bearing on creativity, because if you are letting perceived difficulties deter you from trying something then obviously your “creativity” is affected in that you aren’t creating.
Ignorance is good? Maybe Chutzpah is the proper term here.[/quote]
KSMountain,
I wonder if you have ever taken the Keirsey Temperament Sorter?
I did years ago and was supervised how well it identified many of my workplace behaviors.
I also think in the same way and tend to avoid the “reckless abandon” or “willful ignorance” that is part of that entrepreneurial spirit you were both describing.
I am also that guy who has to read the forums and specs for a month before I can buy something. Funny enough I come out as and ESTJ when taking the test.
June 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #573660Participant[quote=KSMountain][quote=CardiffBaseball]In any case I find “knowing better” at times to be…very limiting while the clueless are apparently shielded from any self-doubt.[/quote]
Yes that’s an interesting counterpoint to this thread isn’t it? We can congratulate ourselves on not being one of those “too-stupid-to-even-realize-how-stupid-they-are”, but on the other hand, you need some people to go out and take risk and try things, despite conventional “wisdom”.It’s interesting to me this interplay of ignorance (perhaps sometimes willful) and its relationship to entrepreneurism and learning. You could even argue it has a bearing on creativity, because if you are letting perceived difficulties deter you from trying something then obviously your “creativity” is affected in that you aren’t creating.
Ignorance is good? Maybe Chutzpah is the proper term here.[/quote]
KSMountain,
I wonder if you have ever taken the Keirsey Temperament Sorter?
I did years ago and was supervised how well it identified many of my workplace behaviors.
I also think in the same way and tend to avoid the “reckless abandon” or “willful ignorance” that is part of that entrepreneurial spirit you were both describing.
I am also that guy who has to read the forums and specs for a month before I can buy something. Funny enough I come out as and ESTJ when taking the test.
June 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #574181Participant[quote=KSMountain][quote=CardiffBaseball]In any case I find “knowing better” at times to be…very limiting while the clueless are apparently shielded from any self-doubt.[/quote]
Yes that’s an interesting counterpoint to this thread isn’t it? We can congratulate ourselves on not being one of those “too-stupid-to-even-realize-how-stupid-they-are”, but on the other hand, you need some people to go out and take risk and try things, despite conventional “wisdom”.It’s interesting to me this interplay of ignorance (perhaps sometimes willful) and its relationship to entrepreneurism and learning. You could even argue it has a bearing on creativity, because if you are letting perceived difficulties deter you from trying something then obviously your “creativity” is affected in that you aren’t creating.
Ignorance is good? Maybe Chutzpah is the proper term here.[/quote]
KSMountain,
I wonder if you have ever taken the Keirsey Temperament Sorter?
I did years ago and was supervised how well it identified many of my workplace behaviors.
I also think in the same way and tend to avoid the “reckless abandon” or “willful ignorance” that is part of that entrepreneurial spirit you were both describing.
I am also that guy who has to read the forums and specs for a month before I can buy something. Funny enough I come out as and ESTJ when taking the test.
June 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #574288Participant[quote=KSMountain][quote=CardiffBaseball]In any case I find “knowing better” at times to be…very limiting while the clueless are apparently shielded from any self-doubt.[/quote]
Yes that’s an interesting counterpoint to this thread isn’t it? We can congratulate ourselves on not being one of those “too-stupid-to-even-realize-how-stupid-they-are”, but on the other hand, you need some people to go out and take risk and try things, despite conventional “wisdom”.It’s interesting to me this interplay of ignorance (perhaps sometimes willful) and its relationship to entrepreneurism and learning. You could even argue it has a bearing on creativity, because if you are letting perceived difficulties deter you from trying something then obviously your “creativity” is affected in that you aren’t creating.
Ignorance is good? Maybe Chutzpah is the proper term here.[/quote]
KSMountain,
I wonder if you have ever taken the Keirsey Temperament Sorter?
I did years ago and was supervised how well it identified many of my workplace behaviors.
I also think in the same way and tend to avoid the “reckless abandon” or “willful ignorance” that is part of that entrepreneurial spirit you were both describing.
I am also that guy who has to read the forums and specs for a month before I can buy something. Funny enough I come out as and ESTJ when taking the test.
June 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #574586Participant[quote=KSMountain][quote=CardiffBaseball]In any case I find “knowing better” at times to be…very limiting while the clueless are apparently shielded from any self-doubt.[/quote]
Yes that’s an interesting counterpoint to this thread isn’t it? We can congratulate ourselves on not being one of those “too-stupid-to-even-realize-how-stupid-they-are”, but on the other hand, you need some people to go out and take risk and try things, despite conventional “wisdom”.It’s interesting to me this interplay of ignorance (perhaps sometimes willful) and its relationship to entrepreneurism and learning. You could even argue it has a bearing on creativity, because if you are letting perceived difficulties deter you from trying something then obviously your “creativity” is affected in that you aren’t creating.
Ignorance is good? Maybe Chutzpah is the proper term here.[/quote]
KSMountain,
I wonder if you have ever taken the Keirsey Temperament Sorter?
I did years ago and was supervised how well it identified many of my workplace behaviors.
I also think in the same way and tend to avoid the “reckless abandon” or “willful ignorance” that is part of that entrepreneurial spirit you were both describing.
I am also that guy who has to read the forums and specs for a month before I can buy something. Funny enough I come out as and ESTJ when taking the test.
June 27, 2010 at 10:18 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #572307ParticipantCan we bury the Palin argument without choosing a winner and move back onto the original topic the thread was created to discuss?
A truce please!
June 27, 2010 at 10:18 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #572402ParticipantCan we bury the Palin argument without choosing a winner and move back onto the original topic the thread was created to discuss?
A truce please!
June 27, 2010 at 10:18 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #572914ParticipantCan we bury the Palin argument without choosing a winner and move back onto the original topic the thread was created to discuss?
A truce please!
June 27, 2010 at 10:18 PM in reply to: OT: NYT article on, among other things, the limits of our ability to acknowledge what we don’t know #573020ParticipantCan we bury the Palin argument without choosing a winner and move back onto the original topic the thread was created to discuss?
A truce please!
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