[Jim Jones]

[quote=Russell]It sounds like Arnold is saying that as a percentage of the budget, services to illegal immigrants is not causing the impact on the deficit worthy of the scapegoating that immigrants gets given their contribution to our infrastructure and agriculture.[/quote]

Russel,

Can you provide some empirical data on how illegal immigrants contribute to our infrastructure and agriculture to the tune of 4 to 5 billion dollars.

The agricultural argument is a fallacy of false cause argument. Look at the large numbers of illegals in California cities and prisons. Are these the employees California’s agricultural sector are relying upon?

[Jim Jones]

Barnaby, I find your comments short sighted as well as illogical.

(1) At no point during this post was any blame assigned to illegal immigrants.

(2) “No force on earth could stop the tidal wave of humans trekking north…” That is a pretty absolute statement.

(4) “Its costs and its benefits are horribly unevenly distributed, except at the grocery checkout line!” What on earth does this mean?

(5) Can you look above your post and find a specific statement which was used demagoguery?

Since you are so passionate about this topic can you think of another way for the state of recoup the 4 to 5 billion dollar cost of illegal immigration? If you do I would like to hear it rather then your comments which amount to nothing more then an personal attack against me for posting a statement made by the governor on this very topic. His words not mine.

[Jim Jones]

Barnaby, I find your comments short sighted as well as illogical.

(1) At no point during this post was any blame assigned to illegal immigrants.

(2) “No force on earth could stop the tidal wave of humans trekking north…” That is a pretty absolute statement.

(4) “Its costs and its benefits are horribly unevenly distributed, except at the grocery checkout line!” What on earth does this mean?

(5) Can you look above your post and find a specific statement which was used demagoguery?

Since you are so passionate about this topic can you think of another way for the state of recoup the 4 to 5 billion dollar cost of illegal immigration? If you do I would like to hear it rather then your comments which amount to nothing more then an personal attack against me for posting a statement made by the governor on this very topic. His words not mine.

[Jim Jones]

Barnaby, I find your comments short sighted as well as illogical.

(1) At no point during this post was any blame assigned to illegal immigrants.

(2) “No force on earth could stop the tidal wave of humans trekking north…” That is a pretty absolute statement.

(4) “Its costs and its benefits are horribly unevenly distributed, except at the grocery checkout line!” What on earth does this mean?

(5) Can you look above your post and find a specific statement which was used demagoguery?

Since you are so passionate about this topic can you think of another way for the state of recoup the 4 to 5 billion dollar cost of illegal immigration? If you do I would like to hear it rather then your comments which amount to nothing more then an personal attack against me for posting a statement made by the governor on this very topic. His words not mine.

[Jim Jones]

Barnaby, I find your comments short sighted as well as illogical.

(1) At no point during this post was any blame assigned to illegal immigrants.

(2) “No force on earth could stop the tidal wave of humans trekking north…” That is a pretty absolute statement.

(4) “Its costs and its benefits are horribly unevenly distributed, except at the grocery checkout line!” What on earth does this mean?

(5) Can you look above your post and find a specific statement which was used demagoguery?

Since you are so passionate about this topic can you think of another way for the state of recoup the 4 to 5 billion dollar cost of illegal immigration? If you do I would like to hear it rather then your comments which amount to nothing more then an personal attack against me for posting a statement made by the governor on this very topic. His words not mine.

[Jim Jones]

Barnaby, I find your comments short sighted as well as illogical.

(1) At no point during this post was any blame assigned to illegal immigrants.

(2) “No force on earth could stop the tidal wave of humans trekking north…” That is a pretty absolute statement.

(4) “Its costs and its benefits are horribly unevenly distributed, except at the grocery checkout line!” What on earth does this mean?

(5) Can you look above your post and find a specific statement which was used demagoguery?

Since you are so passionate about this topic can you think of another way for the state of recoup the 4 to 5 billion dollar cost of illegal immigration? If you do I would like to hear it rather then your comments which amount to nothing more then an personal attack against me for posting a statement made by the governor on this very topic. His words not mine.

[Jim Jones]

I know that the reality is not likely to change, but what surprised me most about the article is how he made such a clear statement about the status quo as a Republican governor.

[Jim Jones]

I know that the reality is not likely to change, but what surprised me most about the article is how he made such a clear statement about the status quo as a Republican governor.

[Jim Jones]

I know that the reality is not likely to change, but what surprised me most about the article is how he made such a clear statement about the status quo as a Republican governor.

[Jim Jones]

I know that the reality is not likely to change, but what surprised me most about the article is how he made such a clear statement about the status quo as a Republican governor.

[Jim Jones]

I know that the reality is not likely to change, but what surprised me most about the article is how he made such a clear statement about the status quo as a Republican governor.

[Jim Jones]

With regard to unions one of the biggest problems is the US model of labor relations encourages an adversarial relationship between the union and the employer.

While far from perfect the European model of cooperation and inclusion in long term business decisions could go a long way in ending the graft, political kickbacks and bankrupting of large corporations and cities through union grandstanding each time the collective bargaining process begins.

[Jim Jones]

With regard to unions one of the biggest problems is the US model of labor relations encourages an adversarial relationship between the union and the employer.

While far from perfect the European model of cooperation and inclusion in long term business decisions could go a long way in ending the graft, political kickbacks and bankrupting of large corporations and cities through union grandstanding each time the collective bargaining process begins.

[Jim Jones]

With regard to unions one of the biggest problems is the US model of labor relations encourages an adversarial relationship between the union and the employer.

While far from perfect the European model of cooperation and inclusion in long term business decisions could go a long way in ending the graft, political kickbacks and bankrupting of large corporations and cities through union grandstanding each time the collective bargaining process begins.

[Jim Jones]

With regard to unions one of the biggest problems is the US model of labor relations encourages an adversarial relationship between the union and the employer.

While far from perfect the European model of cooperation and inclusion in long term business decisions could go a long way in ending the graft, political kickbacks and bankrupting of large corporations and cities through union grandstanding each time the collective bargaining process begins.

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