[Jim Jones]

[quote=peterb]I think You’re alluding to supply and demand forces. We can have assets increase in price in other ways besides population growth. We can also have supply constraints for any number of reasons. We can have wage growth as well to push prices up.

Cheap labour is a device to create an increase in profit margin while maintaining product price. But as we are now seeing, cheap labour comes at a societal and real $$ cost. Especially nowadays when there’s substantial social welfare in the system and the economy contracts.[/quote]

I believe the concept you are describing is called cost externalizing which in this case would consider the societal costs of illegal immigration to be external from the beneficiaries which are the businesses utilizing the resource (the labor of illegal immigrants).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_externalizing

[Jim Jones]

The title of the forum thread is WRONG.

It should say ILLEGAL immigrants. Not ‘immigrants’. If you can’t distinguish the difference between legal and ILLEGAL immigrants, well, I don’t know what to tell ya…

imho

I agree but just choose to run with the title that the Sacramento Bee used and was approved by their editorial staff.

Got to love the fair and balanced media that fails to use accurate and exacting language in their reporting.

If the article was about true immigrants and bet all all the LPR’s who are living here would be up in arms on the board!

[Jim Jones]

The title of the forum thread is WRONG.

It should say ILLEGAL immigrants. Not ‘immigrants’. If you can’t distinguish the difference between legal and ILLEGAL immigrants, well, I don’t know what to tell ya…

imho

I agree but just choose to run with the title that the Sacramento Bee used and was approved by their editorial staff.

Got to love the fair and balanced media that fails to use accurate and exacting language in their reporting.

If the article was about true immigrants and bet all all the LPR’s who are living here would be up in arms on the board!

[Jim Jones]

The title of the forum thread is WRONG.

It should say ILLEGAL immigrants. Not ‘immigrants’. If you can’t distinguish the difference between legal and ILLEGAL immigrants, well, I don’t know what to tell ya…

imho

I agree but just choose to run with the title that the Sacramento Bee used and was approved by their editorial staff.

Got to love the fair and balanced media that fails to use accurate and exacting language in their reporting.

If the article was about true immigrants and bet all all the LPR’s who are living here would be up in arms on the board!

[Jim Jones]

The title of the forum thread is WRONG.

It should say ILLEGAL immigrants. Not ‘immigrants’. If you can’t distinguish the difference between legal and ILLEGAL immigrants, well, I don’t know what to tell ya…

imho

I agree but just choose to run with the title that the Sacramento Bee used and was approved by their editorial staff.

Got to love the fair and balanced media that fails to use accurate and exacting language in their reporting.

If the article was about true immigrants and bet all all the LPR’s who are living here would be up in arms on the board!

[Jim Jones]

The title of the forum thread is WRONG.

It should say ILLEGAL immigrants. Not ‘immigrants’. If you can’t distinguish the difference between legal and ILLEGAL immigrants, well, I don’t know what to tell ya…

imho

I agree but just choose to run with the title that the Sacramento Bee used and was approved by their editorial staff.

Got to love the fair and balanced media that fails to use accurate and exacting language in their reporting.

If the article was about true immigrants and bet all all the LPR’s who are living here would be up in arms on the board!

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Ricechex]Bashing illegals is like bashing welfare recipients. Or like bashing the Fire Chief that has a good pension and other government workers. Not saying it is right or wrong, BUT, this is small potatoes and takes a very little slice of the pie. The biggest chunk of money is spent on Defense. Yeah, and many of us make our bread and butter in this City because of Defense spending, so perhaps we do not wish to look at this matter. OH, and I am not talking about spending on our sailors, those guys make a pittance unfortunately.[/quote]

Why try and justify the state expenditure of funds on illegal immigrants by tying it to the federal expenditure of funds for national defense? Your argument is baseless. Federal funds are recycled through the economy when used for defense for the most part (I am aware of the bottomless pit which is the middle east). Illegal immigrants by in large and economic free riders.

Why can’t the 4 to 5 billion of state funds being used to “service” the illegal population be debated in an upfront and honest manner as a question of state spending rather then a social issue or a moral issue to provide for those in which we are not obligated to provide for.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Ricechex]Bashing illegals is like bashing welfare recipients. Or like bashing the Fire Chief that has a good pension and other government workers. Not saying it is right or wrong, BUT, this is small potatoes and takes a very little slice of the pie. The biggest chunk of money is spent on Defense. Yeah, and many of us make our bread and butter in this City because of Defense spending, so perhaps we do not wish to look at this matter. OH, and I am not talking about spending on our sailors, those guys make a pittance unfortunately.[/quote]

Why try and justify the state expenditure of funds on illegal immigrants by tying it to the federal expenditure of funds for national defense? Your argument is baseless. Federal funds are recycled through the economy when used for defense for the most part (I am aware of the bottomless pit which is the middle east). Illegal immigrants by in large and economic free riders.

Why can’t the 4 to 5 billion of state funds being used to “service” the illegal population be debated in an upfront and honest manner as a question of state spending rather then a social issue or a moral issue to provide for those in which we are not obligated to provide for.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Ricechex]Bashing illegals is like bashing welfare recipients. Or like bashing the Fire Chief that has a good pension and other government workers. Not saying it is right or wrong, BUT, this is small potatoes and takes a very little slice of the pie. The biggest chunk of money is spent on Defense. Yeah, and many of us make our bread and butter in this City because of Defense spending, so perhaps we do not wish to look at this matter. OH, and I am not talking about spending on our sailors, those guys make a pittance unfortunately.[/quote]

Why try and justify the state expenditure of funds on illegal immigrants by tying it to the federal expenditure of funds for national defense? Your argument is baseless. Federal funds are recycled through the economy when used for defense for the most part (I am aware of the bottomless pit which is the middle east). Illegal immigrants by in large and economic free riders.

Why can’t the 4 to 5 billion of state funds being used to “service” the illegal population be debated in an upfront and honest manner as a question of state spending rather then a social issue or a moral issue to provide for those in which we are not obligated to provide for.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Ricechex]Bashing illegals is like bashing welfare recipients. Or like bashing the Fire Chief that has a good pension and other government workers. Not saying it is right or wrong, BUT, this is small potatoes and takes a very little slice of the pie. The biggest chunk of money is spent on Defense. Yeah, and many of us make our bread and butter in this City because of Defense spending, so perhaps we do not wish to look at this matter. OH, and I am not talking about spending on our sailors, those guys make a pittance unfortunately.[/quote]

Why try and justify the state expenditure of funds on illegal immigrants by tying it to the federal expenditure of funds for national defense? Your argument is baseless. Federal funds are recycled through the economy when used for defense for the most part (I am aware of the bottomless pit which is the middle east). Illegal immigrants by in large and economic free riders.

Why can’t the 4 to 5 billion of state funds being used to “service” the illegal population be debated in an upfront and honest manner as a question of state spending rather then a social issue or a moral issue to provide for those in which we are not obligated to provide for.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Ricechex]Bashing illegals is like bashing welfare recipients. Or like bashing the Fire Chief that has a good pension and other government workers. Not saying it is right or wrong, BUT, this is small potatoes and takes a very little slice of the pie. The biggest chunk of money is spent on Defense. Yeah, and many of us make our bread and butter in this City because of Defense spending, so perhaps we do not wish to look at this matter. OH, and I am not talking about spending on our sailors, those guys make a pittance unfortunately.[/quote]

Why try and justify the state expenditure of funds on illegal immigrants by tying it to the federal expenditure of funds for national defense? Your argument is baseless. Federal funds are recycled through the economy when used for defense for the most part (I am aware of the bottomless pit which is the middle east). Illegal immigrants by in large and economic free riders.

Why can’t the 4 to 5 billion of state funds being used to “service” the illegal population be debated in an upfront and honest manner as a question of state spending rather then a social issue or a moral issue to provide for those in which we are not obligated to provide for.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Russell]It sounds like Arnold is saying that as a percentage of the budget, services to illegal immigrants is not causing the impact on the deficit worthy of the scapegoating that immigrants gets given their contribution to our infrastructure and agriculture.[/quote]

Russel,

Can you provide some empirical data on how illegal immigrants contribute to our infrastructure and agriculture to the tune of 4 to 5 billion dollars.

The agricultural argument is a fallacy of false cause argument. Look at the large numbers of illegals in California cities and prisons. Are these the employees California’s agricultural sector are relying upon?

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Russell]It sounds like Arnold is saying that as a percentage of the budget, services to illegal immigrants is not causing the impact on the deficit worthy of the scapegoating that immigrants gets given their contribution to our infrastructure and agriculture.[/quote]

Russel,

Can you provide some empirical data on how illegal immigrants contribute to our infrastructure and agriculture to the tune of 4 to 5 billion dollars.

The agricultural argument is a fallacy of false cause argument. Look at the large numbers of illegals in California cities and prisons. Are these the employees California’s agricultural sector are relying upon?

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Russell]It sounds like Arnold is saying that as a percentage of the budget, services to illegal immigrants is not causing the impact on the deficit worthy of the scapegoating that immigrants gets given their contribution to our infrastructure and agriculture.[/quote]

Russel,

Can you provide some empirical data on how illegal immigrants contribute to our infrastructure and agriculture to the tune of 4 to 5 billion dollars.

The agricultural argument is a fallacy of false cause argument. Look at the large numbers of illegals in California cities and prisons. Are these the employees California’s agricultural sector are relying upon?

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Russell]It sounds like Arnold is saying that as a percentage of the budget, services to illegal immigrants is not causing the impact on the deficit worthy of the scapegoating that immigrants gets given their contribution to our infrastructure and agriculture.[/quote]

Russel,

Can you provide some empirical data on how illegal immigrants contribute to our infrastructure and agriculture to the tune of 4 to 5 billion dollars.

The agricultural argument is a fallacy of false cause argument. Look at the large numbers of illegals in California cities and prisons. Are these the employees California’s agricultural sector are relying upon?

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