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[quote=Casca]John, add to the list the decision this morning to try Khalid Sheik Mohammad (KSM), the 911 mastermind, in federal court in NYC. An absolute travesty of justice. Had the current course with the military tribunals been allowed to run in Gitmo, he was a month away from a death sentance. Now we’ll spend a prince’s ransom to both defend and prosecute him in a court where he will be allowed full constitutional protections. This fuck should have been dead a long time ago. There is evil upon the land.[/quote]

I know I know. Its pretty much hopeless until we can get rid of people like Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Franks, Waxman, Waters et.al.

People want to blame Bush for all this but open minded people should see what he was going up against. Corrupt Media, Congress etc.

If the Government ran media wanted to they could destroy Obama in about one week considering all of the “talking points” available and they could do it with a fraction of the effort they used against Bush. Obama has real issues. Bush didn’t.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Casca]John, add to the list the decision this morning to try Khalid Sheik Mohammad (KSM), the 911 mastermind, in federal court in NYC. An absolute travesty of justice. Had the current course with the military tribunals been allowed to run in Gitmo, he was a month away from a death sentance. Now we’ll spend a prince’s ransom to both defend and prosecute him in a court where he will be allowed full constitutional protections. This fuck should have been dead a long time ago. There is evil upon the land.[/quote]

I know I know. Its pretty much hopeless until we can get rid of people like Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Franks, Waxman, Waters et.al.

People want to blame Bush for all this but open minded people should see what he was going up against. Corrupt Media, Congress etc.

If the Government ran media wanted to they could destroy Obama in about one week considering all of the “talking points” available and they could do it with a fraction of the effort they used against Bush. Obama has real issues. Bush didn’t.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Casca]John, add to the list the decision this morning to try Khalid Sheik Mohammad (KSM), the 911 mastermind, in federal court in NYC. An absolute travesty of justice. Had the current course with the military tribunals been allowed to run in Gitmo, he was a month away from a death sentance. Now we’ll spend a prince’s ransom to both defend and prosecute him in a court where he will be allowed full constitutional protections. This fuck should have been dead a long time ago. There is evil upon the land.[/quote]

I know I know. Its pretty much hopeless until we can get rid of people like Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Franks, Waxman, Waters et.al.

People want to blame Bush for all this but open minded people should see what he was going up against. Corrupt Media, Congress etc.

If the Government ran media wanted to they could destroy Obama in about one week considering all of the “talking points” available and they could do it with a fraction of the effort they used against Bush. Obama has real issues. Bush didn’t.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Casca]John, add to the list the decision this morning to try Khalid Sheik Mohammad (KSM), the 911 mastermind, in federal court in NYC. An absolute travesty of justice. Had the current course with the military tribunals been allowed to run in Gitmo, he was a month away from a death sentance. Now we’ll spend a prince’s ransom to both defend and prosecute him in a court where he will be allowed full constitutional protections. This fuck should have been dead a long time ago. There is evil upon the land.[/quote]

I know I know. Its pretty much hopeless until we can get rid of people like Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Franks, Waxman, Waters et.al.

People want to blame Bush for all this but open minded people should see what he was going up against. Corrupt Media, Congress etc.

If the Government ran media wanted to they could destroy Obama in about one week considering all of the “talking points” available and they could do it with a fraction of the effort they used against Bush. Obama has real issues. Bush didn’t.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Casca]John, add to the list the decision this morning to try Khalid Sheik Mohammad (KSM), the 911 mastermind, in federal court in NYC. An absolute travesty of justice. Had the current course with the military tribunals been allowed to run in Gitmo, he was a month away from a death sentance. Now we’ll spend a prince’s ransom to both defend and prosecute him in a court where he will be allowed full constitutional protections. This fuck should have been dead a long time ago. There is evil upon the land.[/quote]

I know I know. Its pretty much hopeless until we can get rid of people like Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Franks, Waxman, Waters et.al.

People want to blame Bush for all this but open minded people should see what he was going up against. Corrupt Media, Congress etc.

If the Government ran media wanted to they could destroy Obama in about one week considering all of the “talking points” available and they could do it with a fraction of the effort they used against Bush. Obama has real issues. Bush didn’t.

John

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[quote=UCGal]A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)

* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.

(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)

I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.

I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.[/quote]

You have to factor in their retirement. Any teacher 40 and younger will probably live bar accidents to 120 because in 30 years they won’t be any heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.

My guess is you would probably have to double or triple their salary to compensate for 30-50 years of pay after retirement.

Its not fair that the taxpayer fund these juicy retirement deals for so called underpaid public servants when non government workers get shafted on their retirement.

Privatize education, don’t fund these crazy retirement plans and pay the good teachers who make the grade what they deserve.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=UCGal]A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)

* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.

(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)

I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.

I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.[/quote]

You have to factor in their retirement. Any teacher 40 and younger will probably live bar accidents to 120 because in 30 years they won’t be any heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.

My guess is you would probably have to double or triple their salary to compensate for 30-50 years of pay after retirement.

Its not fair that the taxpayer fund these juicy retirement deals for so called underpaid public servants when non government workers get shafted on their retirement.

Privatize education, don’t fund these crazy retirement plans and pay the good teachers who make the grade what they deserve.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=UCGal]A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)

* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.

(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)

I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.

I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.[/quote]

You have to factor in their retirement. Any teacher 40 and younger will probably live bar accidents to 120 because in 30 years they won’t be any heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.

My guess is you would probably have to double or triple their salary to compensate for 30-50 years of pay after retirement.

Its not fair that the taxpayer fund these juicy retirement deals for so called underpaid public servants when non government workers get shafted on their retirement.

Privatize education, don’t fund these crazy retirement plans and pay the good teachers who make the grade what they deserve.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=UCGal]A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)

* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.

(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)

I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.

I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.[/quote]

You have to factor in their retirement. Any teacher 40 and younger will probably live bar accidents to 120 because in 30 years they won’t be any heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.

My guess is you would probably have to double or triple their salary to compensate for 30-50 years of pay after retirement.

Its not fair that the taxpayer fund these juicy retirement deals for so called underpaid public servants when non government workers get shafted on their retirement.

Privatize education, don’t fund these crazy retirement plans and pay the good teachers who make the grade what they deserve.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=UCGal]A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)

* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.

(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)

I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.

I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.[/quote]

You have to factor in their retirement. Any teacher 40 and younger will probably live bar accidents to 120 because in 30 years they won’t be any heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.

My guess is you would probably have to double or triple their salary to compensate for 30-50 years of pay after retirement.

Its not fair that the taxpayer fund these juicy retirement deals for so called underpaid public servants when non government workers get shafted on their retirement.

Privatize education, don’t fund these crazy retirement plans and pay the good teachers who make the grade what they deserve.

John

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[quote=briansd1]Personally, I don’t see why sex is bad.

If Spitzer wants to have sex with call-girls, that’s his business.

We should legalize prostitution and let people get the services they want. That would create jobs!![/quote]

If you don’t like the facts just ignore them! (g)

[jficquette]

[quote=briansd1]Personally, I don’t see why sex is bad.

If Spitzer wants to have sex with call-girls, that’s his business.

We should legalize prostitution and let people get the services they want. That would create jobs!![/quote]

If you don’t like the facts just ignore them! (g)

[jficquette]

[quote=briansd1]Personally, I don’t see why sex is bad.

If Spitzer wants to have sex with call-girls, that’s his business.

We should legalize prostitution and let people get the services they want. That would create jobs!![/quote]

If you don’t like the facts just ignore them! (g)

[jficquette]

[quote=briansd1]Personally, I don’t see why sex is bad.

If Spitzer wants to have sex with call-girls, that’s his business.

We should legalize prostitution and let people get the services they want. That would create jobs!![/quote]

If you don’t like the facts just ignore them! (g)

[jficquette]

[quote=briansd1]Personally, I don’t see why sex is bad.

If Spitzer wants to have sex with call-girls, that’s his business.

We should legalize prostitution and let people get the services they want. That would create jobs!![/quote]

If you don’t like the facts just ignore them! (g)

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