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ParticipantMy wife and I have been watching that area very closely. That is a large house with very unique architecture but the price is too high to get us remotely interested. Also, we aren’t currently looking at anything that is not bank owned.
It seems like a buying frenzy out there. We were interested in a house a block away that seemed very reasonable but it went inactive in about 3 days. When we drove by 1271 there were two banked owned houses a few doors down but nothing is currently showing on the MLS. Not sure if they are pending or not. Either way, I’m thinking this spring isn’t the time for us to be looking. Once more desireable areas start to come down in price it should relieve some buying pressure on 92114.
Good luck if that is what you decide to go with.
ParticipantMy wife and I have been watching that area very closely. That is a large house with very unique architecture but the price is too high to get us remotely interested. Also, we aren’t currently looking at anything that is not bank owned.
It seems like a buying frenzy out there. We were interested in a house a block away that seemed very reasonable but it went inactive in about 3 days. When we drove by 1271 there were two banked owned houses a few doors down but nothing is currently showing on the MLS. Not sure if they are pending or not. Either way, I’m thinking this spring isn’t the time for us to be looking. Once more desireable areas start to come down in price it should relieve some buying pressure on 92114.
Good luck if that is what you decide to go with.
ParticipantMy wife and I have been watching that area very closely. That is a large house with very unique architecture but the price is too high to get us remotely interested. Also, we aren’t currently looking at anything that is not bank owned.
It seems like a buying frenzy out there. We were interested in a house a block away that seemed very reasonable but it went inactive in about 3 days. When we drove by 1271 there were two banked owned houses a few doors down but nothing is currently showing on the MLS. Not sure if they are pending or not. Either way, I’m thinking this spring isn’t the time for us to be looking. Once more desireable areas start to come down in price it should relieve some buying pressure on 92114.
Good luck if that is what you decide to go with.
ParticipantMy wife and I have been watching that area very closely. That is a large house with very unique architecture but the price is too high to get us remotely interested. Also, we aren’t currently looking at anything that is not bank owned.
It seems like a buying frenzy out there. We were interested in a house a block away that seemed very reasonable but it went inactive in about 3 days. When we drove by 1271 there were two banked owned houses a few doors down but nothing is currently showing on the MLS. Not sure if they are pending or not. Either way, I’m thinking this spring isn’t the time for us to be looking. Once more desireable areas start to come down in price it should relieve some buying pressure on 92114.
Good luck if that is what you decide to go with.
ParticipantMy wife and I have been watching that area very closely. That is a large house with very unique architecture but the price is too high to get us remotely interested. Also, we aren’t currently looking at anything that is not bank owned.
It seems like a buying frenzy out there. We were interested in a house a block away that seemed very reasonable but it went inactive in about 3 days. When we drove by 1271 there were two banked owned houses a few doors down but nothing is currently showing on the MLS. Not sure if they are pending or not. Either way, I’m thinking this spring isn’t the time for us to be looking. Once more desireable areas start to come down in price it should relieve some buying pressure on 92114.
Good luck if that is what you decide to go with.
ParticipantYou are right. I made an inaccurate comparison.
ParticipantYou are right. I made an inaccurate comparison.
ParticipantYou are right. I made an inaccurate comparison.
ParticipantYou are right. I made an inaccurate comparison.
ParticipantYou are right. I made an inaccurate comparison.
ParticipantThat 14% sounds like a lot, but is it really your total cost advantage? Are you assuming the taxes saved are applied to the loan principal?
You only see the full advantage if you are already itemizing more deductions than the standard deduction. If you don’t have a lot of other expenses to deduct you have to pay a lot of that interest (without tax benefit) before you see any benefit to itemizing.
Over the 30 years, 200K at 5.5% is just under 409K in total payments (principal and interest only). Fully realizing a 35K tax break will give you about an 8.5% advantage. If much of your yearly tax advantage is not realized due to insufficient other deductions and you are relying largely on interest deductions, your mileage can vary.
In general I don’t understand the tax benefit argument to write offs. It doesn’t make sense to spend a lot of money to save a little unless you were already going to spend that lot of money and the little savings turns out to be a side benefit.
Not the point of the thread, but here is how I’m starting to think of mortgage debt:
You can save significantly more than 35K by paying the loan off early and not paying interest for 30 years. I know that is not a popular argument to make. Seems like most proclaimed financial experts think you should invest the difference and not “tie up” your net worth in your non liquid house. The problem I see with that is you have to make assumptions about rate of return which may not be valid (though in an environment of credit fueled expansion and asset inflation with stagnating wages, the logic is hard to ignore…because in that environment savings and paying off debt are discouraged).
Someday, it will be considered wise to aggressively pay off debt, including your house. The primary thing I try to remember about debt is it presumes upon the future…my future ability to pay. Savings and debt free living is insurance against life’s uncertainty.
ParticipantThat 14% sounds like a lot, but is it really your total cost advantage? Are you assuming the taxes saved are applied to the loan principal?
You only see the full advantage if you are already itemizing more deductions than the standard deduction. If you don’t have a lot of other expenses to deduct you have to pay a lot of that interest (without tax benefit) before you see any benefit to itemizing.
Over the 30 years, 200K at 5.5% is just under 409K in total payments (principal and interest only). Fully realizing a 35K tax break will give you about an 8.5% advantage. If much of your yearly tax advantage is not realized due to insufficient other deductions and you are relying largely on interest deductions, your mileage can vary.
In general I don’t understand the tax benefit argument to write offs. It doesn’t make sense to spend a lot of money to save a little unless you were already going to spend that lot of money and the little savings turns out to be a side benefit.
Not the point of the thread, but here is how I’m starting to think of mortgage debt:
You can save significantly more than 35K by paying the loan off early and not paying interest for 30 years. I know that is not a popular argument to make. Seems like most proclaimed financial experts think you should invest the difference and not “tie up” your net worth in your non liquid house. The problem I see with that is you have to make assumptions about rate of return which may not be valid (though in an environment of credit fueled expansion and asset inflation with stagnating wages, the logic is hard to ignore…because in that environment savings and paying off debt are discouraged).
Someday, it will be considered wise to aggressively pay off debt, including your house. The primary thing I try to remember about debt is it presumes upon the future…my future ability to pay. Savings and debt free living is insurance against life’s uncertainty.
ParticipantThat 14% sounds like a lot, but is it really your total cost advantage? Are you assuming the taxes saved are applied to the loan principal?
You only see the full advantage if you are already itemizing more deductions than the standard deduction. If you don’t have a lot of other expenses to deduct you have to pay a lot of that interest (without tax benefit) before you see any benefit to itemizing.
Over the 30 years, 200K at 5.5% is just under 409K in total payments (principal and interest only). Fully realizing a 35K tax break will give you about an 8.5% advantage. If much of your yearly tax advantage is not realized due to insufficient other deductions and you are relying largely on interest deductions, your mileage can vary.
In general I don’t understand the tax benefit argument to write offs. It doesn’t make sense to spend a lot of money to save a little unless you were already going to spend that lot of money and the little savings turns out to be a side benefit.
Not the point of the thread, but here is how I’m starting to think of mortgage debt:
You can save significantly more than 35K by paying the loan off early and not paying interest for 30 years. I know that is not a popular argument to make. Seems like most proclaimed financial experts think you should invest the difference and not “tie up” your net worth in your non liquid house. The problem I see with that is you have to make assumptions about rate of return which may not be valid (though in an environment of credit fueled expansion and asset inflation with stagnating wages, the logic is hard to ignore…because in that environment savings and paying off debt are discouraged).
Someday, it will be considered wise to aggressively pay off debt, including your house. The primary thing I try to remember about debt is it presumes upon the future…my future ability to pay. Savings and debt free living is insurance against life’s uncertainty.
ParticipantThat 14% sounds like a lot, but is it really your total cost advantage? Are you assuming the taxes saved are applied to the loan principal?
You only see the full advantage if you are already itemizing more deductions than the standard deduction. If you don’t have a lot of other expenses to deduct you have to pay a lot of that interest (without tax benefit) before you see any benefit to itemizing.
Over the 30 years, 200K at 5.5% is just under 409K in total payments (principal and interest only). Fully realizing a 35K tax break will give you about an 8.5% advantage. If much of your yearly tax advantage is not realized due to insufficient other deductions and you are relying largely on interest deductions, your mileage can vary.
In general I don’t understand the tax benefit argument to write offs. It doesn’t make sense to spend a lot of money to save a little unless you were already going to spend that lot of money and the little savings turns out to be a side benefit.
Not the point of the thread, but here is how I’m starting to think of mortgage debt:
You can save significantly more than 35K by paying the loan off early and not paying interest for 30 years. I know that is not a popular argument to make. Seems like most proclaimed financial experts think you should invest the difference and not “tie up” your net worth in your non liquid house. The problem I see with that is you have to make assumptions about rate of return which may not be valid (though in an environment of credit fueled expansion and asset inflation with stagnating wages, the logic is hard to ignore…because in that environment savings and paying off debt are discouraged).
Someday, it will be considered wise to aggressively pay off debt, including your house. The primary thing I try to remember about debt is it presumes upon the future…my future ability to pay. Savings and debt free living is insurance against life’s uncertainty.
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