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Participant“There already is an expedited military path to citizenship. I know a guy who joined to go fight in Iraq because he wanted to sponsor his mother who is old and sick.”
Yes, but those are not the classified jobs. There are a vast number of jobs not open to non citizens. I was surprised to find just how many immigrant enlisted personnel are in the ranks earning the citizenship for service deal.
If you want a professional force you have to pay professional rates for your experienced personnel. I know people supposedly serve because of patriotism, adventure, and other self sacrificing reasons. That works for many for a few years, but for most a choice will eventually be made between family and career. The pay and retirement system is what motivates married service members to stay in.
If someone does 4-5 years of service, deploying 3 or 4 times, what more do you expect in the name of patriotism? Deployment is not a 9-5 job. It is a 24 hour job. Imagine going to work one day and then just not coming home from the office for 6 months to a year. When service is voluntary you cannot expect more. Anyone faced with the decision to go or stay will feel they have done enough for the country. Let someone else take a turn being patriotic.
Participant“There already is an expedited military path to citizenship. I know a guy who joined to go fight in Iraq because he wanted to sponsor his mother who is old and sick.”
Yes, but those are not the classified jobs. There are a vast number of jobs not open to non citizens. I was surprised to find just how many immigrant enlisted personnel are in the ranks earning the citizenship for service deal.
If you want a professional force you have to pay professional rates for your experienced personnel. I know people supposedly serve because of patriotism, adventure, and other self sacrificing reasons. That works for many for a few years, but for most a choice will eventually be made between family and career. The pay and retirement system is what motivates married service members to stay in.
If someone does 4-5 years of service, deploying 3 or 4 times, what more do you expect in the name of patriotism? Deployment is not a 9-5 job. It is a 24 hour job. Imagine going to work one day and then just not coming home from the office for 6 months to a year. When service is voluntary you cannot expect more. Anyone faced with the decision to go or stay will feel they have done enough for the country. Let someone else take a turn being patriotic.
Participant“There already is an expedited military path to citizenship. I know a guy who joined to go fight in Iraq because he wanted to sponsor his mother who is old and sick.”
Yes, but those are not the classified jobs. There are a vast number of jobs not open to non citizens. I was surprised to find just how many immigrant enlisted personnel are in the ranks earning the citizenship for service deal.
If you want a professional force you have to pay professional rates for your experienced personnel. I know people supposedly serve because of patriotism, adventure, and other self sacrificing reasons. That works for many for a few years, but for most a choice will eventually be made between family and career. The pay and retirement system is what motivates married service members to stay in.
If someone does 4-5 years of service, deploying 3 or 4 times, what more do you expect in the name of patriotism? Deployment is not a 9-5 job. It is a 24 hour job. Imagine going to work one day and then just not coming home from the office for 6 months to a year. When service is voluntary you cannot expect more. Anyone faced with the decision to go or stay will feel they have done enough for the country. Let someone else take a turn being patriotic.
Participant“There already is an expedited military path to citizenship. I know a guy who joined to go fight in Iraq because he wanted to sponsor his mother who is old and sick.”
Yes, but those are not the classified jobs. There are a vast number of jobs not open to non citizens. I was surprised to find just how many immigrant enlisted personnel are in the ranks earning the citizenship for service deal.
If you want a professional force you have to pay professional rates for your experienced personnel. I know people supposedly serve because of patriotism, adventure, and other self sacrificing reasons. That works for many for a few years, but for most a choice will eventually be made between family and career. The pay and retirement system is what motivates married service members to stay in.
If someone does 4-5 years of service, deploying 3 or 4 times, what more do you expect in the name of patriotism? Deployment is not a 9-5 job. It is a 24 hour job. Imagine going to work one day and then just not coming home from the office for 6 months to a year. When service is voluntary you cannot expect more. Anyone faced with the decision to go or stay will feel they have done enough for the country. Let someone else take a turn being patriotic.
Participant“There already is an expedited military path to citizenship. I know a guy who joined to go fight in Iraq because he wanted to sponsor his mother who is old and sick.”
Yes, but those are not the classified jobs. There are a vast number of jobs not open to non citizens. I was surprised to find just how many immigrant enlisted personnel are in the ranks earning the citizenship for service deal.
If you want a professional force you have to pay professional rates for your experienced personnel. I know people supposedly serve because of patriotism, adventure, and other self sacrificing reasons. That works for many for a few years, but for most a choice will eventually be made between family and career. The pay and retirement system is what motivates married service members to stay in.
If someone does 4-5 years of service, deploying 3 or 4 times, what more do you expect in the name of patriotism? Deployment is not a 9-5 job. It is a 24 hour job. Imagine going to work one day and then just not coming home from the office for 6 months to a year. When service is voluntary you cannot expect more. Anyone faced with the decision to go or stay will feel they have done enough for the country. Let someone else take a turn being patriotic.
ParticipantIt is all about labor supply and demand. The military should have been freezing pay two years ago at the start of the recession. Now they risk freezing pay coming out of the recession when there will be more employer competition for labor. I would argue that deployed troops are actually underpaid, for all branches of service. On the other hand, nondeployed troops are absolutely overpaid. If you don’t know what I mean, you haven’t served.
To encourage people to put up with the stress of frequent deployment and family and relationship damage the military has found they need to pay more to meet retention goals. The generous federal retirement system and health benefits figure greatly into the decision for experienced military personnel to choose to continue to serve. Absent the generous retirement, the senior ranks would be decimated.
Having said that, the entire military compensation system and retirement system could be radically overhauled. Base pay could be lower with flexible special pay and bonus contracts that allow tailoring of the force as desired.
The military will find out (again) that they can’t meet manning and retention goals if they pay the “comparable” civilian rate, unless they open up all our classified jobs to non U.S. citizens. Quality of life matters a lot at some point.
The War of Terror seems to be crushing the backbone of the Army (and maybe Marines?). The other services, not so much. If you want combat troops happy to wage war for less you just can’t do it in the numbers our nation would like.
ParticipantIt is all about labor supply and demand. The military should have been freezing pay two years ago at the start of the recession. Now they risk freezing pay coming out of the recession when there will be more employer competition for labor. I would argue that deployed troops are actually underpaid, for all branches of service. On the other hand, nondeployed troops are absolutely overpaid. If you don’t know what I mean, you haven’t served.
To encourage people to put up with the stress of frequent deployment and family and relationship damage the military has found they need to pay more to meet retention goals. The generous federal retirement system and health benefits figure greatly into the decision for experienced military personnel to choose to continue to serve. Absent the generous retirement, the senior ranks would be decimated.
Having said that, the entire military compensation system and retirement system could be radically overhauled. Base pay could be lower with flexible special pay and bonus contracts that allow tailoring of the force as desired.
The military will find out (again) that they can’t meet manning and retention goals if they pay the “comparable” civilian rate, unless they open up all our classified jobs to non U.S. citizens. Quality of life matters a lot at some point.
The War of Terror seems to be crushing the backbone of the Army (and maybe Marines?). The other services, not so much. If you want combat troops happy to wage war for less you just can’t do it in the numbers our nation would like.
ParticipantIt is all about labor supply and demand. The military should have been freezing pay two years ago at the start of the recession. Now they risk freezing pay coming out of the recession when there will be more employer competition for labor. I would argue that deployed troops are actually underpaid, for all branches of service. On the other hand, nondeployed troops are absolutely overpaid. If you don’t know what I mean, you haven’t served.
To encourage people to put up with the stress of frequent deployment and family and relationship damage the military has found they need to pay more to meet retention goals. The generous federal retirement system and health benefits figure greatly into the decision for experienced military personnel to choose to continue to serve. Absent the generous retirement, the senior ranks would be decimated.
Having said that, the entire military compensation system and retirement system could be radically overhauled. Base pay could be lower with flexible special pay and bonus contracts that allow tailoring of the force as desired.
The military will find out (again) that they can’t meet manning and retention goals if they pay the “comparable” civilian rate, unless they open up all our classified jobs to non U.S. citizens. Quality of life matters a lot at some point.
The War of Terror seems to be crushing the backbone of the Army (and maybe Marines?). The other services, not so much. If you want combat troops happy to wage war for less you just can’t do it in the numbers our nation would like.
ParticipantIt is all about labor supply and demand. The military should have been freezing pay two years ago at the start of the recession. Now they risk freezing pay coming out of the recession when there will be more employer competition for labor. I would argue that deployed troops are actually underpaid, for all branches of service. On the other hand, nondeployed troops are absolutely overpaid. If you don’t know what I mean, you haven’t served.
To encourage people to put up with the stress of frequent deployment and family and relationship damage the military has found they need to pay more to meet retention goals. The generous federal retirement system and health benefits figure greatly into the decision for experienced military personnel to choose to continue to serve. Absent the generous retirement, the senior ranks would be decimated.
Having said that, the entire military compensation system and retirement system could be radically overhauled. Base pay could be lower with flexible special pay and bonus contracts that allow tailoring of the force as desired.
The military will find out (again) that they can’t meet manning and retention goals if they pay the “comparable” civilian rate, unless they open up all our classified jobs to non U.S. citizens. Quality of life matters a lot at some point.
The War of Terror seems to be crushing the backbone of the Army (and maybe Marines?). The other services, not so much. If you want combat troops happy to wage war for less you just can’t do it in the numbers our nation would like.
ParticipantIt is all about labor supply and demand. The military should have been freezing pay two years ago at the start of the recession. Now they risk freezing pay coming out of the recession when there will be more employer competition for labor. I would argue that deployed troops are actually underpaid, for all branches of service. On the other hand, nondeployed troops are absolutely overpaid. If you don’t know what I mean, you haven’t served.
To encourage people to put up with the stress of frequent deployment and family and relationship damage the military has found they need to pay more to meet retention goals. The generous federal retirement system and health benefits figure greatly into the decision for experienced military personnel to choose to continue to serve. Absent the generous retirement, the senior ranks would be decimated.
Having said that, the entire military compensation system and retirement system could be radically overhauled. Base pay could be lower with flexible special pay and bonus contracts that allow tailoring of the force as desired.
The military will find out (again) that they can’t meet manning and retention goals if they pay the “comparable” civilian rate, unless they open up all our classified jobs to non U.S. citizens. Quality of life matters a lot at some point.
The War of Terror seems to be crushing the backbone of the Army (and maybe Marines?). The other services, not so much. If you want combat troops happy to wage war for less you just can’t do it in the numbers our nation would like.
Participant“Here is one of Franklin Graham’s charities: http://www.samaritanspurse.org/. It looks like it does good things around the world”
I agree. I did some volunteer work with them in 2003 in Crest doing fire clean up. I was impressed. The donations I have made to disaster relief organizations have been to the Red Cross and Samaritans Purse.
Participant“Here is one of Franklin Graham’s charities: http://www.samaritanspurse.org/. It looks like it does good things around the world”
I agree. I did some volunteer work with them in 2003 in Crest doing fire clean up. I was impressed. The donations I have made to disaster relief organizations have been to the Red Cross and Samaritans Purse.
Participant“Here is one of Franklin Graham’s charities: http://www.samaritanspurse.org/. It looks like it does good things around the world”
I agree. I did some volunteer work with them in 2003 in Crest doing fire clean up. I was impressed. The donations I have made to disaster relief organizations have been to the Red Cross and Samaritans Purse.
Participant“Here is one of Franklin Graham’s charities: http://www.samaritanspurse.org/. It looks like it does good things around the world”
I agree. I did some volunteer work with them in 2003 in Crest doing fire clean up. I was impressed. The donations I have made to disaster relief organizations have been to the Red Cross and Samaritans Purse.
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