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ParticipantPopulation demographics are not the same between those moving in and those moving out. Immigrants tend to live more to a house/apt than Americans, so demand is not necessary rising just because population is.
According to the Census bureau here are the numbers for average household size in San Diego county
2000: 2.73
2006: 2.72
During this period …
The net population increased by 127,000 people
The net outmigration was about 100,000 people.Therefore this included an increase of 227,000 people solely due to foreign immigration and birth. These are likely heavily weighted toward immigrants from Latin America and births of those with Latin-American heritage.
227,000 is over 10% of the county population. Yet, this large demographic shift results in less than 1/2 of 1% change in the size of households.
Therefore, the anecdotal observation that immigrants live more to a household is not reflected in actual data.
Sources:
1. Census Bureau – http://factfinder.census.gov/home/saff/main.html?_lang=en2. U-T Article cited previously in this thread with respect to net migration.
ParticipantI am a fiscally conservative, socially tolerant (maybe even socially liberal), limited government independent. Neither party shares a large enough intersection of my views for me to be anything other than maybe a Republican-leaning independent. The Republican’s ideals regarding free markets and taxation appeal to me, while their lifestyle intolerance bothers me. Similarly the traditionally Democrat position of sticking it to the man at tax time bothers me, while their positions on health care reform, environmental position, and tolerance for people’s lifestyle appeal to me.
I am undecided.
I, too have the added bonus that Obama shares my ethnicity. My mother was also a Caucasian from Kansas.
ParticipantI am a fiscally conservative, socially tolerant (maybe even socially liberal), limited government independent. Neither party shares a large enough intersection of my views for me to be anything other than maybe a Republican-leaning independent. The Republican’s ideals regarding free markets and taxation appeal to me, while their lifestyle intolerance bothers me. Similarly the traditionally Democrat position of sticking it to the man at tax time bothers me, while their positions on health care reform, environmental position, and tolerance for people’s lifestyle appeal to me.
I am undecided.
I, too have the added bonus that Obama shares my ethnicity. My mother was also a Caucasian from Kansas.
ParticipantI am a fiscally conservative, socially tolerant (maybe even socially liberal), limited government independent. Neither party shares a large enough intersection of my views for me to be anything other than maybe a Republican-leaning independent. The Republican’s ideals regarding free markets and taxation appeal to me, while their lifestyle intolerance bothers me. Similarly the traditionally Democrat position of sticking it to the man at tax time bothers me, while their positions on health care reform, environmental position, and tolerance for people’s lifestyle appeal to me.
I am undecided.
I, too have the added bonus that Obama shares my ethnicity. My mother was also a Caucasian from Kansas.
ParticipantI am a fiscally conservative, socially tolerant (maybe even socially liberal), limited government independent. Neither party shares a large enough intersection of my views for me to be anything other than maybe a Republican-leaning independent. The Republican’s ideals regarding free markets and taxation appeal to me, while their lifestyle intolerance bothers me. Similarly the traditionally Democrat position of sticking it to the man at tax time bothers me, while their positions on health care reform, environmental position, and tolerance for people’s lifestyle appeal to me.
I am undecided.
I, too have the added bonus that Obama shares my ethnicity. My mother was also a Caucasian from Kansas.
ParticipantI am a fiscally conservative, socially tolerant (maybe even socially liberal), limited government independent. Neither party shares a large enough intersection of my views for me to be anything other than maybe a Republican-leaning independent. The Republican’s ideals regarding free markets and taxation appeal to me, while their lifestyle intolerance bothers me. Similarly the traditionally Democrat position of sticking it to the man at tax time bothers me, while their positions on health care reform, environmental position, and tolerance for people’s lifestyle appeal to me.
I am undecided.
I, too have the added bonus that Obama shares my ethnicity. My mother was also a Caucasian from Kansas.
ParticipantHmm, as we all experienced now, inflation is rampant. Do you mean that actually rents will go up?
BTW, I really do not care about the core inflation posted by the government.
I agree with you. Government has understated inflation.
That’s why I tend to take inflation-adjusted charts with a grain of salt (My favorite is the inflation adjusted Case-Shiller chart of home prices since 18xx).
Better to compare with actual measures of what people pay to rent a roof over their heads.You showed that rents increased at a rate of 6% since 1996. This indicates to me that perhaps a truer measure of inflation in San Diego would be closer to 6% annually over that period than whatever the Government reported.
since 1996.ParticipantHmm, as we all experienced now, inflation is rampant. Do you mean that actually rents will go up?
BTW, I really do not care about the core inflation posted by the government.
I agree with you. Government has understated inflation.
That’s why I tend to take inflation-adjusted charts with a grain of salt (My favorite is the inflation adjusted Case-Shiller chart of home prices since 18xx).
Better to compare with actual measures of what people pay to rent a roof over their heads.You showed that rents increased at a rate of 6% since 1996. This indicates to me that perhaps a truer measure of inflation in San Diego would be closer to 6% annually over that period than whatever the Government reported.
since 1996.ParticipantHmm, as we all experienced now, inflation is rampant. Do you mean that actually rents will go up?
BTW, I really do not care about the core inflation posted by the government.
I agree with you. Government has understated inflation.
That’s why I tend to take inflation-adjusted charts with a grain of salt (My favorite is the inflation adjusted Case-Shiller chart of home prices since 18xx).
Better to compare with actual measures of what people pay to rent a roof over their heads.You showed that rents increased at a rate of 6% since 1996. This indicates to me that perhaps a truer measure of inflation in San Diego would be closer to 6% annually over that period than whatever the Government reported.
since 1996.ParticipantHmm, as we all experienced now, inflation is rampant. Do you mean that actually rents will go up?
BTW, I really do not care about the core inflation posted by the government.
I agree with you. Government has understated inflation.
That’s why I tend to take inflation-adjusted charts with a grain of salt (My favorite is the inflation adjusted Case-Shiller chart of home prices since 18xx).
Better to compare with actual measures of what people pay to rent a roof over their heads.You showed that rents increased at a rate of 6% since 1996. This indicates to me that perhaps a truer measure of inflation in San Diego would be closer to 6% annually over that period than whatever the Government reported.
since 1996.ParticipantHmm, as we all experienced now, inflation is rampant. Do you mean that actually rents will go up?
BTW, I really do not care about the core inflation posted by the government.
I agree with you. Government has understated inflation.
That’s why I tend to take inflation-adjusted charts with a grain of salt (My favorite is the inflation adjusted Case-Shiller chart of home prices since 18xx).
Better to compare with actual measures of what people pay to rent a roof over their heads.You showed that rents increased at a rate of 6% since 1996. This indicates to me that perhaps a truer measure of inflation in San Diego would be closer to 6% annually over that period than whatever the Government reported.
since 1996.ParticipantRecent population demographics for San Diego.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080320-9999-1n20census.html
Net domestic outmigration has declined significantly in 2006-2007 compared to 2003-2006.
Note that that in the past 4 years, while we had net outmigration of about 115,000 people, the net population continued to increase due to births and foreign migration.
I would think that this would result in increased demand for affordable rentals. Low- to mid-range rental rates are not likely to recede under these demographic conditions.
ParticipantRecent population demographics for San Diego.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080320-9999-1n20census.html
Net domestic outmigration has declined significantly in 2006-2007 compared to 2003-2006.
Note that that in the past 4 years, while we had net outmigration of about 115,000 people, the net population continued to increase due to births and foreign migration.
I would think that this would result in increased demand for affordable rentals. Low- to mid-range rental rates are not likely to recede under these demographic conditions.
ParticipantRecent population demographics for San Diego.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080320-9999-1n20census.html
Net domestic outmigration has declined significantly in 2006-2007 compared to 2003-2006.
Note that that in the past 4 years, while we had net outmigration of about 115,000 people, the net population continued to increase due to births and foreign migration.
I would think that this would result in increased demand for affordable rentals. Low- to mid-range rental rates are not likely to recede under these demographic conditions.
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