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Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]SO you are saying that you want to added ten percent build cost and space to meet your minimum requirements because you don’t like the color black?
Similiar, you want to reject ten percent of the engery you could have and have to build more of the panels thus wasting more materials in your effort to go green?
Because you don’t like the color?
Problem with engineers? That is the same kind of stupid comments congressional panels make all the time.[/quote]
ANY earth tone would blend in with the majority of roofs around here. I’ll bet that a significant reason they are not adopted more widely is because they are not available in any color other than black.
People who are buying solar pool heating are not doing so to save the earth. If they really wanted to save the earth, they would fill in their pools. No, they just want a comfy pool and more swimming pleasure without the monthly SDG&E pain. Maybe with less guilt.
The people selling these things are focused on them from a technical perspective, not thinking about them from a consumer perspective. Really, it’s not the engineers’ fault; they are just doing their jobs. The people that run these companies need to think about the product from a perspective other than that of extracting every last joule* from the sunlight.
* Yes, I’m an engineer / scientist.
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]SO you are saying that you want to added ten percent build cost and space to meet your minimum requirements because you don’t like the color black?
Similiar, you want to reject ten percent of the engery you could have and have to build more of the panels thus wasting more materials in your effort to go green?
Because you don’t like the color?
Problem with engineers? That is the same kind of stupid comments congressional panels make all the time.[/quote]
ANY earth tone would blend in with the majority of roofs around here. I’ll bet that a significant reason they are not adopted more widely is because they are not available in any color other than black.
People who are buying solar pool heating are not doing so to save the earth. If they really wanted to save the earth, they would fill in their pools. No, they just want a comfy pool and more swimming pleasure without the monthly SDG&E pain. Maybe with less guilt.
The people selling these things are focused on them from a technical perspective, not thinking about them from a consumer perspective. Really, it’s not the engineers’ fault; they are just doing their jobs. The people that run these companies need to think about the product from a perspective other than that of extracting every last joule* from the sunlight.
* Yes, I’m an engineer / scientist.
Participant[quote=jeeman]Well, I got a quote from Performance Solar to install 10 Sunstar panels including the computerized valve for $6970. Does this sound reasonable to all you folks?[/quote]
WOW
How much natural gas can you buy with $7 grand?
How much electricity is going to be used pumping the water up to your rooftop?
How long will the things last?
Plus they’re ugly as stink.
Side note, why don’t they make those damn things any other color than black? You could make, say, a terra cotta colored panel, and it would have a good percentage the absorbance of black. This is what happens when engineers make things like solar collectors. “Let’s make it black, because that absorbs the most light, 90% versus merely 80%!”
In solar panels, you can have any color you want, as long as it’s black.
Participant[quote=jeeman]Well, I got a quote from Performance Solar to install 10 Sunstar panels including the computerized valve for $6970. Does this sound reasonable to all you folks?[/quote]
WOW
How much natural gas can you buy with $7 grand?
How much electricity is going to be used pumping the water up to your rooftop?
How long will the things last?
Plus they’re ugly as stink.
Side note, why don’t they make those damn things any other color than black? You could make, say, a terra cotta colored panel, and it would have a good percentage the absorbance of black. This is what happens when engineers make things like solar collectors. “Let’s make it black, because that absorbs the most light, 90% versus merely 80%!”
In solar panels, you can have any color you want, as long as it’s black.
Participant[quote=jeeman]Well, I got a quote from Performance Solar to install 10 Sunstar panels including the computerized valve for $6970. Does this sound reasonable to all you folks?[/quote]
WOW
How much natural gas can you buy with $7 grand?
How much electricity is going to be used pumping the water up to your rooftop?
How long will the things last?
Plus they’re ugly as stink.
Side note, why don’t they make those damn things any other color than black? You could make, say, a terra cotta colored panel, and it would have a good percentage the absorbance of black. This is what happens when engineers make things like solar collectors. “Let’s make it black, because that absorbs the most light, 90% versus merely 80%!”
In solar panels, you can have any color you want, as long as it’s black.
Participant[quote=jeeman]Well, I got a quote from Performance Solar to install 10 Sunstar panels including the computerized valve for $6970. Does this sound reasonable to all you folks?[/quote]
WOW
How much natural gas can you buy with $7 grand?
How much electricity is going to be used pumping the water up to your rooftop?
How long will the things last?
Plus they’re ugly as stink.
Side note, why don’t they make those damn things any other color than black? You could make, say, a terra cotta colored panel, and it would have a good percentage the absorbance of black. This is what happens when engineers make things like solar collectors. “Let’s make it black, because that absorbs the most light, 90% versus merely 80%!”
In solar panels, you can have any color you want, as long as it’s black.
Participant[quote=jeeman]Well, I got a quote from Performance Solar to install 10 Sunstar panels including the computerized valve for $6970. Does this sound reasonable to all you folks?[/quote]
WOW
How much natural gas can you buy with $7 grand?
How much electricity is going to be used pumping the water up to your rooftop?
How long will the things last?
Plus they’re ugly as stink.
Side note, why don’t they make those damn things any other color than black? You could make, say, a terra cotta colored panel, and it would have a good percentage the absorbance of black. This is what happens when engineers make things like solar collectors. “Let’s make it black, because that absorbs the most light, 90% versus merely 80%!”
In solar panels, you can have any color you want, as long as it’s black.
Participant[quote=EconProf]
As far as Canadians and other foreigners buying here, let’s bring it on. They did not cause our bubble and bust–we did. If prices are now a bargain to them, and their currency is stronger than ours because they did not mismanage their economy, then they deserve to come here and pick up bargains. … the strength of the Canadian dollar is the result. Canadians are big factors in the Phoenix housing market, and I’m not surprised they are also buying in the Palm Springs area.[/quote]
Amen, and well put.I was bemused by the Canadians rationalizing buying U.S. real estate because “if the Loonie falls, the value of this real estate [relative to me] will go up.”
What if the Loonie continues to rise and U.S. real estate continues to fall? What then, Mr. Canadian, sir?
People always, always, always view a change as an aberration and mentally predict a return to the mean.
Now, a continuing fall in the dollar will support asset prices in the U.S., along with helping our trade deficit. The only teensy weensy problem will be a reduction in our standard of living as cost of imports rise.
Participant[quote=EconProf]
As far as Canadians and other foreigners buying here, let’s bring it on. They did not cause our bubble and bust–we did. If prices are now a bargain to them, and their currency is stronger than ours because they did not mismanage their economy, then they deserve to come here and pick up bargains. … the strength of the Canadian dollar is the result. Canadians are big factors in the Phoenix housing market, and I’m not surprised they are also buying in the Palm Springs area.[/quote]
Amen, and well put.I was bemused by the Canadians rationalizing buying U.S. real estate because “if the Loonie falls, the value of this real estate [relative to me] will go up.”
What if the Loonie continues to rise and U.S. real estate continues to fall? What then, Mr. Canadian, sir?
People always, always, always view a change as an aberration and mentally predict a return to the mean.
Now, a continuing fall in the dollar will support asset prices in the U.S., along with helping our trade deficit. The only teensy weensy problem will be a reduction in our standard of living as cost of imports rise.
Participant[quote=EconProf]
As far as Canadians and other foreigners buying here, let’s bring it on. They did not cause our bubble and bust–we did. If prices are now a bargain to them, and their currency is stronger than ours because they did not mismanage their economy, then they deserve to come here and pick up bargains. … the strength of the Canadian dollar is the result. Canadians are big factors in the Phoenix housing market, and I’m not surprised they are also buying in the Palm Springs area.[/quote]
Amen, and well put.I was bemused by the Canadians rationalizing buying U.S. real estate because “if the Loonie falls, the value of this real estate [relative to me] will go up.”
What if the Loonie continues to rise and U.S. real estate continues to fall? What then, Mr. Canadian, sir?
People always, always, always view a change as an aberration and mentally predict a return to the mean.
Now, a continuing fall in the dollar will support asset prices in the U.S., along with helping our trade deficit. The only teensy weensy problem will be a reduction in our standard of living as cost of imports rise.
Participant[quote=EconProf]
As far as Canadians and other foreigners buying here, let’s bring it on. They did not cause our bubble and bust–we did. If prices are now a bargain to them, and their currency is stronger than ours because they did not mismanage their economy, then they deserve to come here and pick up bargains. … the strength of the Canadian dollar is the result. Canadians are big factors in the Phoenix housing market, and I’m not surprised they are also buying in the Palm Springs area.[/quote]
Amen, and well put.I was bemused by the Canadians rationalizing buying U.S. real estate because “if the Loonie falls, the value of this real estate [relative to me] will go up.”
What if the Loonie continues to rise and U.S. real estate continues to fall? What then, Mr. Canadian, sir?
People always, always, always view a change as an aberration and mentally predict a return to the mean.
Now, a continuing fall in the dollar will support asset prices in the U.S., along with helping our trade deficit. The only teensy weensy problem will be a reduction in our standard of living as cost of imports rise.
Participant[quote=EconProf]
As far as Canadians and other foreigners buying here, let’s bring it on. They did not cause our bubble and bust–we did. If prices are now a bargain to them, and their currency is stronger than ours because they did not mismanage their economy, then they deserve to come here and pick up bargains. … the strength of the Canadian dollar is the result. Canadians are big factors in the Phoenix housing market, and I’m not surprised they are also buying in the Palm Springs area.[/quote]
Amen, and well put.I was bemused by the Canadians rationalizing buying U.S. real estate because “if the Loonie falls, the value of this real estate [relative to me] will go up.”
What if the Loonie continues to rise and U.S. real estate continues to fall? What then, Mr. Canadian, sir?
People always, always, always view a change as an aberration and mentally predict a return to the mean.
Now, a continuing fall in the dollar will support asset prices in the U.S., along with helping our trade deficit. The only teensy weensy problem will be a reduction in our standard of living as cost of imports rise.
Participant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=Fearful]Wow, this is unreal. Is this LA Times article about the one and same development? http://articles.latimes.com/1992-08-27/news/vw-6593_1_canyon-homes
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Wow. That article is 9 years old.[/quote]Try 19.
They bought the land 50 years ago.
A whopping 30 years later they started talking about developing it.
Twenty years after that, they put the first three houses on the market.
This is just so wrong.
I wonder what the story is on the other two houses in the area. I counted the empty and for sale plots and it ties to the 28 mentioned in the article, so those two were probably built before 1992.
Actually, the timing kind of makes sense. Real estate here entered the doldrums beginning around 1992, so they probably put the whole idea on the shelf. Then for whatever reason they were preoccupied during the early 2000’s. They got around to re-starting the project around 2007. Then they sank a good $million or so into the three houses, assuming that real estate was going to come back some time soon. They certainly have patience; the houses have been on the market more than a year. I would be willing to bet, with the owners’ advancing age, the whole project sits for another year until it is sold in its entirety, or the houses break down from neglect and are bulldozed.
Unreal.
Participant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=Fearful]Wow, this is unreal. Is this LA Times article about the one and same development? http://articles.latimes.com/1992-08-27/news/vw-6593_1_canyon-homes
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Wow. That article is 9 years old.[/quote]Try 19.
They bought the land 50 years ago.
A whopping 30 years later they started talking about developing it.
Twenty years after that, they put the first three houses on the market.
This is just so wrong.
I wonder what the story is on the other two houses in the area. I counted the empty and for sale plots and it ties to the 28 mentioned in the article, so those two were probably built before 1992.
Actually, the timing kind of makes sense. Real estate here entered the doldrums beginning around 1992, so they probably put the whole idea on the shelf. Then for whatever reason they were preoccupied during the early 2000’s. They got around to re-starting the project around 2007. Then they sank a good $million or so into the three houses, assuming that real estate was going to come back some time soon. They certainly have patience; the houses have been on the market more than a year. I would be willing to bet, with the owners’ advancing age, the whole project sits for another year until it is sold in its entirety, or the houses break down from neglect and are bulldozed.
Unreal.
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