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ParticipantLove the dry cocktails. Martini guy for the longest time but kept on going drier and drier. Now I just get vodka on the rocks, twist of lemon. Pungent, dry, almost undrinkable by lesser men – and women find it incomprehensible. They have their Kool-Aid drinks and I have my cup of rubbing alcohol. Ne’er the twain shall meet.
Sadly, my stomach will not let me pull down more than a few shots’ worth. If I had known my stomach was going to trouble me later in life, I would not have squandered my youth drinking cheap tequila.
ParticipantLove the dry cocktails. Martini guy for the longest time but kept on going drier and drier. Now I just get vodka on the rocks, twist of lemon. Pungent, dry, almost undrinkable by lesser men – and women find it incomprehensible. They have their Kool-Aid drinks and I have my cup of rubbing alcohol. Ne’er the twain shall meet.
Sadly, my stomach will not let me pull down more than a few shots’ worth. If I had known my stomach was going to trouble me later in life, I would not have squandered my youth drinking cheap tequila.
Participant[quote=walterwhite]so many wild rabbits around here this year. want to shoot and eat them. but what about tularemia? is it really dangerous to eat wild hares?[/quote]
Tularemia is not that common. Just to be safe, wear gloves when cleaning them, wash up afterward, and cook the meat. It’s a bacteria relatively easy to eliminate with cooking.I shoot rabbits from my back porch all the time. The little monsters attack my ornamental plants and grape vines. I use a .177 Beeman R9 air rifle; it makes little noise, and is limited much more by the skill of the shooter than the accuracy of the gun. Longest distance I have shot one is about 50 yards. With its scope, though, I constantly fear the neighbors will see and take me for the homicidal maniac I truly am, so I usually hunt at dusk or dawn.
They’re easy hunting, and if you want to eat them you would not go hungry for a while. I can’t bring myself to eat them, however, having seen the fleas and ticks crawling off, so I leave them for the coyotes to eat at night.
I suspect suppression of rattlesnakes gets the bunny population going.
Participant[quote=walterwhite]so many wild rabbits around here this year. want to shoot and eat them. but what about tularemia? is it really dangerous to eat wild hares?[/quote]
Tularemia is not that common. Just to be safe, wear gloves when cleaning them, wash up afterward, and cook the meat. It’s a bacteria relatively easy to eliminate with cooking.I shoot rabbits from my back porch all the time. The little monsters attack my ornamental plants and grape vines. I use a .177 Beeman R9 air rifle; it makes little noise, and is limited much more by the skill of the shooter than the accuracy of the gun. Longest distance I have shot one is about 50 yards. With its scope, though, I constantly fear the neighbors will see and take me for the homicidal maniac I truly am, so I usually hunt at dusk or dawn.
They’re easy hunting, and if you want to eat them you would not go hungry for a while. I can’t bring myself to eat them, however, having seen the fleas and ticks crawling off, so I leave them for the coyotes to eat at night.
I suspect suppression of rattlesnakes gets the bunny population going.
Participant[quote=walterwhite]so many wild rabbits around here this year. want to shoot and eat them. but what about tularemia? is it really dangerous to eat wild hares?[/quote]
Tularemia is not that common. Just to be safe, wear gloves when cleaning them, wash up afterward, and cook the meat. It’s a bacteria relatively easy to eliminate with cooking.I shoot rabbits from my back porch all the time. The little monsters attack my ornamental plants and grape vines. I use a .177 Beeman R9 air rifle; it makes little noise, and is limited much more by the skill of the shooter than the accuracy of the gun. Longest distance I have shot one is about 50 yards. With its scope, though, I constantly fear the neighbors will see and take me for the homicidal maniac I truly am, so I usually hunt at dusk or dawn.
They’re easy hunting, and if you want to eat them you would not go hungry for a while. I can’t bring myself to eat them, however, having seen the fleas and ticks crawling off, so I leave them for the coyotes to eat at night.
I suspect suppression of rattlesnakes gets the bunny population going.
Participant[quote=walterwhite]so many wild rabbits around here this year. want to shoot and eat them. but what about tularemia? is it really dangerous to eat wild hares?[/quote]
Tularemia is not that common. Just to be safe, wear gloves when cleaning them, wash up afterward, and cook the meat. It’s a bacteria relatively easy to eliminate with cooking.I shoot rabbits from my back porch all the time. The little monsters attack my ornamental plants and grape vines. I use a .177 Beeman R9 air rifle; it makes little noise, and is limited much more by the skill of the shooter than the accuracy of the gun. Longest distance I have shot one is about 50 yards. With its scope, though, I constantly fear the neighbors will see and take me for the homicidal maniac I truly am, so I usually hunt at dusk or dawn.
They’re easy hunting, and if you want to eat them you would not go hungry for a while. I can’t bring myself to eat them, however, having seen the fleas and ticks crawling off, so I leave them for the coyotes to eat at night.
I suspect suppression of rattlesnakes gets the bunny population going.
Participant[quote=walterwhite]so many wild rabbits around here this year. want to shoot and eat them. but what about tularemia? is it really dangerous to eat wild hares?[/quote]
Tularemia is not that common. Just to be safe, wear gloves when cleaning them, wash up afterward, and cook the meat. It’s a bacteria relatively easy to eliminate with cooking.I shoot rabbits from my back porch all the time. The little monsters attack my ornamental plants and grape vines. I use a .177 Beeman R9 air rifle; it makes little noise, and is limited much more by the skill of the shooter than the accuracy of the gun. Longest distance I have shot one is about 50 yards. With its scope, though, I constantly fear the neighbors will see and take me for the homicidal maniac I truly am, so I usually hunt at dusk or dawn.
They’re easy hunting, and if you want to eat them you would not go hungry for a while. I can’t bring myself to eat them, however, having seen the fleas and ticks crawling off, so I leave them for the coyotes to eat at night.
I suspect suppression of rattlesnakes gets the bunny population going.
Participant[quote=sreeb]I don’t think it is just efficiency. The black pigment they use (carbon black?) is the cheapest/best one for protecting the polypropylene from UV light. Your system will not only be bigger, the individual components will cost more and fail sooner.[/quote]
Bollocks – iron oxide is also a very good photostabilizer. Not quite as good as carbon black, but close. Nice rusty red brown.Besides, there are plenty of non black plastics that hold up fine in the sun. We aren’t even talking about water that’s under pressure, after all. And it’s kept cool by the circulating water.
Furthermore, a coat of latex paint is prescribed to protect ABS or PVC that emerges in roof vents. Just paint the stupid things.
The material cost of the polypropylene is small relative to the total installed cost. It could be coated, painted, impregnated, and the total installed cost would not change by much.
I think the reason it has not been attempted is because the market is small enough in the first place – people mostly only really care about swimming where it is hot enough during the day that the pool is nice to have somewhat cool anyway – that fiddling with the colors wouldn’t grow the market much. If given a choice, most consumers would like to have roof colored solar panels, but the availability of roof colored panels would not make many more people buy them.
That and the fact that people who make or buy them are thinking in terms of getting as much free energy from the sun as possible, aesthetics be damned.
Participant[quote=sreeb]I don’t think it is just efficiency. The black pigment they use (carbon black?) is the cheapest/best one for protecting the polypropylene from UV light. Your system will not only be bigger, the individual components will cost more and fail sooner.[/quote]
Bollocks – iron oxide is also a very good photostabilizer. Not quite as good as carbon black, but close. Nice rusty red brown.Besides, there are plenty of non black plastics that hold up fine in the sun. We aren’t even talking about water that’s under pressure, after all. And it’s kept cool by the circulating water.
Furthermore, a coat of latex paint is prescribed to protect ABS or PVC that emerges in roof vents. Just paint the stupid things.
The material cost of the polypropylene is small relative to the total installed cost. It could be coated, painted, impregnated, and the total installed cost would not change by much.
I think the reason it has not been attempted is because the market is small enough in the first place – people mostly only really care about swimming where it is hot enough during the day that the pool is nice to have somewhat cool anyway – that fiddling with the colors wouldn’t grow the market much. If given a choice, most consumers would like to have roof colored solar panels, but the availability of roof colored panels would not make many more people buy them.
That and the fact that people who make or buy them are thinking in terms of getting as much free energy from the sun as possible, aesthetics be damned.
Participant[quote=sreeb]I don’t think it is just efficiency. The black pigment they use (carbon black?) is the cheapest/best one for protecting the polypropylene from UV light. Your system will not only be bigger, the individual components will cost more and fail sooner.[/quote]
Bollocks – iron oxide is also a very good photostabilizer. Not quite as good as carbon black, but close. Nice rusty red brown.Besides, there are plenty of non black plastics that hold up fine in the sun. We aren’t even talking about water that’s under pressure, after all. And it’s kept cool by the circulating water.
Furthermore, a coat of latex paint is prescribed to protect ABS or PVC that emerges in roof vents. Just paint the stupid things.
The material cost of the polypropylene is small relative to the total installed cost. It could be coated, painted, impregnated, and the total installed cost would not change by much.
I think the reason it has not been attempted is because the market is small enough in the first place – people mostly only really care about swimming where it is hot enough during the day that the pool is nice to have somewhat cool anyway – that fiddling with the colors wouldn’t grow the market much. If given a choice, most consumers would like to have roof colored solar panels, but the availability of roof colored panels would not make many more people buy them.
That and the fact that people who make or buy them are thinking in terms of getting as much free energy from the sun as possible, aesthetics be damned.
Participant[quote=sreeb]I don’t think it is just efficiency. The black pigment they use (carbon black?) is the cheapest/best one for protecting the polypropylene from UV light. Your system will not only be bigger, the individual components will cost more and fail sooner.[/quote]
Bollocks – iron oxide is also a very good photostabilizer. Not quite as good as carbon black, but close. Nice rusty red brown.Besides, there are plenty of non black plastics that hold up fine in the sun. We aren’t even talking about water that’s under pressure, after all. And it’s kept cool by the circulating water.
Furthermore, a coat of latex paint is prescribed to protect ABS or PVC that emerges in roof vents. Just paint the stupid things.
The material cost of the polypropylene is small relative to the total installed cost. It could be coated, painted, impregnated, and the total installed cost would not change by much.
I think the reason it has not been attempted is because the market is small enough in the first place – people mostly only really care about swimming where it is hot enough during the day that the pool is nice to have somewhat cool anyway – that fiddling with the colors wouldn’t grow the market much. If given a choice, most consumers would like to have roof colored solar panels, but the availability of roof colored panels would not make many more people buy them.
That and the fact that people who make or buy them are thinking in terms of getting as much free energy from the sun as possible, aesthetics be damned.
Participant[quote=sreeb]I don’t think it is just efficiency. The black pigment they use (carbon black?) is the cheapest/best one for protecting the polypropylene from UV light. Your system will not only be bigger, the individual components will cost more and fail sooner.[/quote]
Bollocks – iron oxide is also a very good photostabilizer. Not quite as good as carbon black, but close. Nice rusty red brown.Besides, there are plenty of non black plastics that hold up fine in the sun. We aren’t even talking about water that’s under pressure, after all. And it’s kept cool by the circulating water.
Furthermore, a coat of latex paint is prescribed to protect ABS or PVC that emerges in roof vents. Just paint the stupid things.
The material cost of the polypropylene is small relative to the total installed cost. It could be coated, painted, impregnated, and the total installed cost would not change by much.
I think the reason it has not been attempted is because the market is small enough in the first place – people mostly only really care about swimming where it is hot enough during the day that the pool is nice to have somewhat cool anyway – that fiddling with the colors wouldn’t grow the market much. If given a choice, most consumers would like to have roof colored solar panels, but the availability of roof colored panels would not make many more people buy them.
That and the fact that people who make or buy them are thinking in terms of getting as much free energy from the sun as possible, aesthetics be damned.
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]SO you are saying that you want to added ten percent build cost and space to meet your minimum requirements because you don’t like the color black?
Similiar, you want to reject ten percent of the engery you could have and have to build more of the panels thus wasting more materials in your effort to go green?
Because you don’t like the color?
Problem with engineers? That is the same kind of stupid comments congressional panels make all the time.[/quote]
ANY earth tone would blend in with the majority of roofs around here. I’ll bet that a significant reason they are not adopted more widely is because they are not available in any color other than black.
People who are buying solar pool heating are not doing so to save the earth. If they really wanted to save the earth, they would fill in their pools. No, they just want a comfy pool and more swimming pleasure without the monthly SDG&E pain. Maybe with less guilt.
The people selling these things are focused on them from a technical perspective, not thinking about them from a consumer perspective. Really, it’s not the engineers’ fault; they are just doing their jobs. The people that run these companies need to think about the product from a perspective other than that of extracting every last joule* from the sunlight.
* Yes, I’m an engineer / scientist.
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]SO you are saying that you want to added ten percent build cost and space to meet your minimum requirements because you don’t like the color black?
Similiar, you want to reject ten percent of the engery you could have and have to build more of the panels thus wasting more materials in your effort to go green?
Because you don’t like the color?
Problem with engineers? That is the same kind of stupid comments congressional panels make all the time.[/quote]
ANY earth tone would blend in with the majority of roofs around here. I’ll bet that a significant reason they are not adopted more widely is because they are not available in any color other than black.
People who are buying solar pool heating are not doing so to save the earth. If they really wanted to save the earth, they would fill in their pools. No, they just want a comfy pool and more swimming pleasure without the monthly SDG&E pain. Maybe with less guilt.
The people selling these things are focused on them from a technical perspective, not thinking about them from a consumer perspective. Really, it’s not the engineers’ fault; they are just doing their jobs. The people that run these companies need to think about the product from a perspective other than that of extracting every last joule* from the sunlight.
* Yes, I’m an engineer / scientist.
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