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October 5, 2008 at 5:39 PM in reply to: Still thing moving to Euro’s is good thing? Still think Europe is immuned from this mess??? #281537October 5, 2008 at 5:39 PM in reply to: Still thing moving to Euro’s is good thing? Still think Europe is immuned from this mess??? #281814
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ParticipantSTOCKHOLM, Sweden – Germany became the latest country to move to allay fears about the financial meltdown, enhancing a rescue plan for Hypo Real Estate AG and guaranteeing private bank accounts as European governments scrambled on their own Sunday to save failing banks.
Chancellor Angela Merkel said that no citizen should fear for the safety of their investments. Hours later, her government announced a new bailout package totaling 50 billion euros ($69 billion) for Hypo Real Estate, Germany’s second-biggest commercial property lender.
Hypo said an original euro35 billion ($48 billion) rescue plan fell apart after private lenders withdrew support, a key element to the proposal that had already been approved by the EU.
The deal was on top of the guarantees of private accounts. German Finance Ministry spokesman Torsten Albig said the unlimited guarantee covered some 568 billion euros ($785 billion) in savings and checking accounts as well as time deposits, or CDs.
At the same time, Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme said that France’s BNP Paribas SA had committed to taking a 75-percent stake in Fortis NV.
Leterme said the Belgian and Luxembourg governments would, in turn, take a blocking minority share in BNP Paribas.
The deal came after two days of closed-door talks between the Paris-based bank, Fortis and government authorities in an effort to restore confidence in the company before markets open Monday.
In Iceland — particularly hard-hit by the credit crunch — government officials and banking chiefs were discussing a possible rescue plan for the country’s overstretched commercial banks.
British treasury chief Alistair Darling said he was ready to take “pretty big steps that we wouldn’t take in ordinary times” to help the country weather the credit crunch.
In the past year the government has nationalized struggling mortgage lenders Northern Rock and Bradford & Bingley.
“The European banking industry is feeling the wind of default blowing from the other side of the Atlantic,” said Axel Pierron, senior vice president at Celent, a Boston, Massachusetts-based financial research and consulting firm.
The erosion has also injured overall confidence and caused concern among investors, politicians and the European public.
The leaders of Germany, France, Britain and Italy met Saturday to discuss the meltdown that has leapfrogged across the Atlantic from the U.S. to Europe, but shied away from action on the scale of the massive $700 billion bailout passed by the U.S. Congress on Friday and later signed into law by President Bush.
Their failure to agree to an EU-wide plan showcased the divisions in Europe on how to deal with the crisis.
France had suggested a multibillion-euro (multibillion-dollar) EU-wide government bailout plan, but backed off after Germany said banks must find their own way out.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s top adviser, Claude Gueant, insisted that a “common European plan” had come out of the summit.
“What is certain and what the citizens of France and Europe must know is that their (banking) establishments won’t be left in difficulty,” he told Europe-1 radio on Sunday.
Icelandic banks expanded rapidly after deregulation of the domestic financial market in the 1990s and now have combined foreign liabilities in excess of 100 billion euros ($138 billion) — dwarfing the tiny country’s gross domestic product of 14 billion euros ($19 billion euros).
The government last week took over Iceland’s third-largest bank, Glitnir, a decision that prompted major credit ratings agencies to downgrade both Iceland’s four major banks and its government credit rating.
Looming large was a growing sense that the Federal Reserve and Europe’s major central banks — which have been flooding euros and dollars to banks that have grown increasingly unwilling to lend money even to themselves — were ready to institute emergency cuts to their benchmark interest rates this week.
None of the banks, including the European Central Bank and Bank of England, have commented on potential rate hikes or cuts. But analysts believe the Bank of England, which meets this Thursday, will likely lower its rate below 5 percent. The ECB left its rate unchanged at 4.25 percent on Thursday, but opened the door to a rate cut.
Robert Brusca, chief economist at the New York-based Fact and Opinion Economics, said that the ECB does issue such a cut it would a be a sign “that they’re really, really scared.
October 5, 2008 at 5:39 PM in reply to: Still thing moving to Euro’s is good thing? Still think Europe is immuned from this mess??? #281818Ex-SD
ParticipantSTOCKHOLM, Sweden – Germany became the latest country to move to allay fears about the financial meltdown, enhancing a rescue plan for Hypo Real Estate AG and guaranteeing private bank accounts as European governments scrambled on their own Sunday to save failing banks.
Chancellor Angela Merkel said that no citizen should fear for the safety of their investments. Hours later, her government announced a new bailout package totaling 50 billion euros ($69 billion) for Hypo Real Estate, Germany’s second-biggest commercial property lender.
Hypo said an original euro35 billion ($48 billion) rescue plan fell apart after private lenders withdrew support, a key element to the proposal that had already been approved by the EU.
The deal was on top of the guarantees of private accounts. German Finance Ministry spokesman Torsten Albig said the unlimited guarantee covered some 568 billion euros ($785 billion) in savings and checking accounts as well as time deposits, or CDs.
At the same time, Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme said that France’s BNP Paribas SA had committed to taking a 75-percent stake in Fortis NV.
Leterme said the Belgian and Luxembourg governments would, in turn, take a blocking minority share in BNP Paribas.
The deal came after two days of closed-door talks between the Paris-based bank, Fortis and government authorities in an effort to restore confidence in the company before markets open Monday.
In Iceland — particularly hard-hit by the credit crunch — government officials and banking chiefs were discussing a possible rescue plan for the country’s overstretched commercial banks.
British treasury chief Alistair Darling said he was ready to take “pretty big steps that we wouldn’t take in ordinary times” to help the country weather the credit crunch.
In the past year the government has nationalized struggling mortgage lenders Northern Rock and Bradford & Bingley.
“The European banking industry is feeling the wind of default blowing from the other side of the Atlantic,” said Axel Pierron, senior vice president at Celent, a Boston, Massachusetts-based financial research and consulting firm.
The erosion has also injured overall confidence and caused concern among investors, politicians and the European public.
The leaders of Germany, France, Britain and Italy met Saturday to discuss the meltdown that has leapfrogged across the Atlantic from the U.S. to Europe, but shied away from action on the scale of the massive $700 billion bailout passed by the U.S. Congress on Friday and later signed into law by President Bush.
Their failure to agree to an EU-wide plan showcased the divisions in Europe on how to deal with the crisis.
France had suggested a multibillion-euro (multibillion-dollar) EU-wide government bailout plan, but backed off after Germany said banks must find their own way out.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s top adviser, Claude Gueant, insisted that a “common European plan” had come out of the summit.
“What is certain and what the citizens of France and Europe must know is that their (banking) establishments won’t be left in difficulty,” he told Europe-1 radio on Sunday.
Icelandic banks expanded rapidly after deregulation of the domestic financial market in the 1990s and now have combined foreign liabilities in excess of 100 billion euros ($138 billion) — dwarfing the tiny country’s gross domestic product of 14 billion euros ($19 billion euros).
The government last week took over Iceland’s third-largest bank, Glitnir, a decision that prompted major credit ratings agencies to downgrade both Iceland’s four major banks and its government credit rating.
Looming large was a growing sense that the Federal Reserve and Europe’s major central banks — which have been flooding euros and dollars to banks that have grown increasingly unwilling to lend money even to themselves — were ready to institute emergency cuts to their benchmark interest rates this week.
None of the banks, including the European Central Bank and Bank of England, have commented on potential rate hikes or cuts. But analysts believe the Bank of England, which meets this Thursday, will likely lower its rate below 5 percent. The ECB left its rate unchanged at 4.25 percent on Thursday, but opened the door to a rate cut.
Robert Brusca, chief economist at the New York-based Fact and Opinion Economics, said that the ECB does issue such a cut it would a be a sign “that they’re really, really scared.
October 5, 2008 at 5:39 PM in reply to: Still thing moving to Euro’s is good thing? Still think Europe is immuned from this mess??? #281860Ex-SD
ParticipantSTOCKHOLM, Sweden – Germany became the latest country to move to allay fears about the financial meltdown, enhancing a rescue plan for Hypo Real Estate AG and guaranteeing private bank accounts as European governments scrambled on their own Sunday to save failing banks.
Chancellor Angela Merkel said that no citizen should fear for the safety of their investments. Hours later, her government announced a new bailout package totaling 50 billion euros ($69 billion) for Hypo Real Estate, Germany’s second-biggest commercial property lender.
Hypo said an original euro35 billion ($48 billion) rescue plan fell apart after private lenders withdrew support, a key element to the proposal that had already been approved by the EU.
The deal was on top of the guarantees of private accounts. German Finance Ministry spokesman Torsten Albig said the unlimited guarantee covered some 568 billion euros ($785 billion) in savings and checking accounts as well as time deposits, or CDs.
At the same time, Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme said that France’s BNP Paribas SA had committed to taking a 75-percent stake in Fortis NV.
Leterme said the Belgian and Luxembourg governments would, in turn, take a blocking minority share in BNP Paribas.
The deal came after two days of closed-door talks between the Paris-based bank, Fortis and government authorities in an effort to restore confidence in the company before markets open Monday.
In Iceland — particularly hard-hit by the credit crunch — government officials and banking chiefs were discussing a possible rescue plan for the country’s overstretched commercial banks.
British treasury chief Alistair Darling said he was ready to take “pretty big steps that we wouldn’t take in ordinary times” to help the country weather the credit crunch.
In the past year the government has nationalized struggling mortgage lenders Northern Rock and Bradford & Bingley.
“The European banking industry is feeling the wind of default blowing from the other side of the Atlantic,” said Axel Pierron, senior vice president at Celent, a Boston, Massachusetts-based financial research and consulting firm.
The erosion has also injured overall confidence and caused concern among investors, politicians and the European public.
The leaders of Germany, France, Britain and Italy met Saturday to discuss the meltdown that has leapfrogged across the Atlantic from the U.S. to Europe, but shied away from action on the scale of the massive $700 billion bailout passed by the U.S. Congress on Friday and later signed into law by President Bush.
Their failure to agree to an EU-wide plan showcased the divisions in Europe on how to deal with the crisis.
France had suggested a multibillion-euro (multibillion-dollar) EU-wide government bailout plan, but backed off after Germany said banks must find their own way out.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s top adviser, Claude Gueant, insisted that a “common European plan” had come out of the summit.
“What is certain and what the citizens of France and Europe must know is that their (banking) establishments won’t be left in difficulty,” he told Europe-1 radio on Sunday.
Icelandic banks expanded rapidly after deregulation of the domestic financial market in the 1990s and now have combined foreign liabilities in excess of 100 billion euros ($138 billion) — dwarfing the tiny country’s gross domestic product of 14 billion euros ($19 billion euros).
The government last week took over Iceland’s third-largest bank, Glitnir, a decision that prompted major credit ratings agencies to downgrade both Iceland’s four major banks and its government credit rating.
Looming large was a growing sense that the Federal Reserve and Europe’s major central banks — which have been flooding euros and dollars to banks that have grown increasingly unwilling to lend money even to themselves — were ready to institute emergency cuts to their benchmark interest rates this week.
None of the banks, including the European Central Bank and Bank of England, have commented on potential rate hikes or cuts. But analysts believe the Bank of England, which meets this Thursday, will likely lower its rate below 5 percent. The ECB left its rate unchanged at 4.25 percent on Thursday, but opened the door to a rate cut.
Robert Brusca, chief economist at the New York-based Fact and Opinion Economics, said that the ECB does issue such a cut it would a be a sign “that they’re really, really scared.
October 5, 2008 at 5:39 PM in reply to: Still thing moving to Euro’s is good thing? Still think Europe is immuned from this mess??? #281872Ex-SD
ParticipantSTOCKHOLM, Sweden – Germany became the latest country to move to allay fears about the financial meltdown, enhancing a rescue plan for Hypo Real Estate AG and guaranteeing private bank accounts as European governments scrambled on their own Sunday to save failing banks.
Chancellor Angela Merkel said that no citizen should fear for the safety of their investments. Hours later, her government announced a new bailout package totaling 50 billion euros ($69 billion) for Hypo Real Estate, Germany’s second-biggest commercial property lender.
Hypo said an original euro35 billion ($48 billion) rescue plan fell apart after private lenders withdrew support, a key element to the proposal that had already been approved by the EU.
The deal was on top of the guarantees of private accounts. German Finance Ministry spokesman Torsten Albig said the unlimited guarantee covered some 568 billion euros ($785 billion) in savings and checking accounts as well as time deposits, or CDs.
At the same time, Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme said that France’s BNP Paribas SA had committed to taking a 75-percent stake in Fortis NV.
Leterme said the Belgian and Luxembourg governments would, in turn, take a blocking minority share in BNP Paribas.
The deal came after two days of closed-door talks between the Paris-based bank, Fortis and government authorities in an effort to restore confidence in the company before markets open Monday.
In Iceland — particularly hard-hit by the credit crunch — government officials and banking chiefs were discussing a possible rescue plan for the country’s overstretched commercial banks.
British treasury chief Alistair Darling said he was ready to take “pretty big steps that we wouldn’t take in ordinary times” to help the country weather the credit crunch.
In the past year the government has nationalized struggling mortgage lenders Northern Rock and Bradford & Bingley.
“The European banking industry is feeling the wind of default blowing from the other side of the Atlantic,” said Axel Pierron, senior vice president at Celent, a Boston, Massachusetts-based financial research and consulting firm.
The erosion has also injured overall confidence and caused concern among investors, politicians and the European public.
The leaders of Germany, France, Britain and Italy met Saturday to discuss the meltdown that has leapfrogged across the Atlantic from the U.S. to Europe, but shied away from action on the scale of the massive $700 billion bailout passed by the U.S. Congress on Friday and later signed into law by President Bush.
Their failure to agree to an EU-wide plan showcased the divisions in Europe on how to deal with the crisis.
France had suggested a multibillion-euro (multibillion-dollar) EU-wide government bailout plan, but backed off after Germany said banks must find their own way out.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s top adviser, Claude Gueant, insisted that a “common European plan” had come out of the summit.
“What is certain and what the citizens of France and Europe must know is that their (banking) establishments won’t be left in difficulty,” he told Europe-1 radio on Sunday.
Icelandic banks expanded rapidly after deregulation of the domestic financial market in the 1990s and now have combined foreign liabilities in excess of 100 billion euros ($138 billion) — dwarfing the tiny country’s gross domestic product of 14 billion euros ($19 billion euros).
The government last week took over Iceland’s third-largest bank, Glitnir, a decision that prompted major credit ratings agencies to downgrade both Iceland’s four major banks and its government credit rating.
Looming large was a growing sense that the Federal Reserve and Europe’s major central banks — which have been flooding euros and dollars to banks that have grown increasingly unwilling to lend money even to themselves — were ready to institute emergency cuts to their benchmark interest rates this week.
None of the banks, including the European Central Bank and Bank of England, have commented on potential rate hikes or cuts. But analysts believe the Bank of England, which meets this Thursday, will likely lower its rate below 5 percent. The ECB left its rate unchanged at 4.25 percent on Thursday, but opened the door to a rate cut.
Robert Brusca, chief economist at the New York-based Fact and Opinion Economics, said that the ECB does issue such a cut it would a be a sign “that they’re really, really scared.
October 5, 2008 at 2:55 PM in reply to: Still thing moving to Euro’s is good thing? Still think Europe is immuned from this mess??? #281417Ex-SD
ParticipantThe poop is absolutely going to hit the fan in Europe and other countries too. I just read where the government’s of Greece, Ireland & Germany have decided to guarantee all deposits in private bank accounts (CD’s, checking & savings accounts…… and other accounts too) because they are expecting bank failures and are trying to prevent a run on the banks by the public.
As bad it is going to get in the good ole’ USA………..(and it’s going to get really nasty)………….it’s going to get as bad or worse in Europe and some Asian countries too.
As they say in the science fiction books and movies: “We are not alone”. 🙂October 5, 2008 at 2:55 PM in reply to: Still thing moving to Euro’s is good thing? Still think Europe is immuned from this mess??? #281694Ex-SD
ParticipantThe poop is absolutely going to hit the fan in Europe and other countries too. I just read where the government’s of Greece, Ireland & Germany have decided to guarantee all deposits in private bank accounts (CD’s, checking & savings accounts…… and other accounts too) because they are expecting bank failures and are trying to prevent a run on the banks by the public.
As bad it is going to get in the good ole’ USA………..(and it’s going to get really nasty)………….it’s going to get as bad or worse in Europe and some Asian countries too.
As they say in the science fiction books and movies: “We are not alone”. 🙂October 5, 2008 at 2:55 PM in reply to: Still thing moving to Euro’s is good thing? Still think Europe is immuned from this mess??? #281698Ex-SD
ParticipantThe poop is absolutely going to hit the fan in Europe and other countries too. I just read where the government’s of Greece, Ireland & Germany have decided to guarantee all deposits in private bank accounts (CD’s, checking & savings accounts…… and other accounts too) because they are expecting bank failures and are trying to prevent a run on the banks by the public.
As bad it is going to get in the good ole’ USA………..(and it’s going to get really nasty)………….it’s going to get as bad or worse in Europe and some Asian countries too.
As they say in the science fiction books and movies: “We are not alone”. 🙂October 5, 2008 at 2:55 PM in reply to: Still thing moving to Euro’s is good thing? Still think Europe is immuned from this mess??? #281740Ex-SD
ParticipantThe poop is absolutely going to hit the fan in Europe and other countries too. I just read where the government’s of Greece, Ireland & Germany have decided to guarantee all deposits in private bank accounts (CD’s, checking & savings accounts…… and other accounts too) because they are expecting bank failures and are trying to prevent a run on the banks by the public.
As bad it is going to get in the good ole’ USA………..(and it’s going to get really nasty)………….it’s going to get as bad or worse in Europe and some Asian countries too.
As they say in the science fiction books and movies: “We are not alone”. 🙂October 5, 2008 at 2:55 PM in reply to: Still thing moving to Euro’s is good thing? Still think Europe is immuned from this mess??? #281752Ex-SD
ParticipantThe poop is absolutely going to hit the fan in Europe and other countries too. I just read where the government’s of Greece, Ireland & Germany have decided to guarantee all deposits in private bank accounts (CD’s, checking & savings accounts…… and other accounts too) because they are expecting bank failures and are trying to prevent a run on the banks by the public.
As bad it is going to get in the good ole’ USA………..(and it’s going to get really nasty)………….it’s going to get as bad or worse in Europe and some Asian countries too.
As they say in the science fiction books and movies: “We are not alone”. 🙂Ex-SD
ParticipantFormer Bush Treasury Secretary O’Neill: Bailout is “crazy”
Paul O’Neill, who served as President Bush’s first treasury secretary, today called the bailout bill headed for Senate passage “crazy,” with “unbelievably bad” consequences.From Bloomberg News:
Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill said the $700 billion bank-rescue proposal under negotiation in Washington is “crazy,” with potentially “awful” consequences for the world’s largest economy.
“Doesn’t this seem like lunacy to you?” said O’Neill, who was President Bush’s first Treasury chief, from 2001 to 2002, in a telephone interview today. “The consequences of it are unbelievably bad in terms of public intrusion into the private sector.”
… “Is anybody thinking there?” asked O’Neill, who also served as deputy budget director in the Ford administration. “It’s too late, it’s not going to make any difference and it’s aggravating as hell when there’s a better idea and you can’t even get it in play,” he said, recognizing little success so far in pitching his own proposal.
O’Neill was the first Bush insider to publicly question the president’s judgment and decision-making ability. After he was fired, it was O’Neill who said, memorably, that Bush in a cabinet meeting was “like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people.”Ex-SD
ParticipantFormer Bush Treasury Secretary O’Neill: Bailout is “crazy”
Paul O’Neill, who served as President Bush’s first treasury secretary, today called the bailout bill headed for Senate passage “crazy,” with “unbelievably bad” consequences.From Bloomberg News:
Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill said the $700 billion bank-rescue proposal under negotiation in Washington is “crazy,” with potentially “awful” consequences for the world’s largest economy.
“Doesn’t this seem like lunacy to you?” said O’Neill, who was President Bush’s first Treasury chief, from 2001 to 2002, in a telephone interview today. “The consequences of it are unbelievably bad in terms of public intrusion into the private sector.”
… “Is anybody thinking there?” asked O’Neill, who also served as deputy budget director in the Ford administration. “It’s too late, it’s not going to make any difference and it’s aggravating as hell when there’s a better idea and you can’t even get it in play,” he said, recognizing little success so far in pitching his own proposal.
O’Neill was the first Bush insider to publicly question the president’s judgment and decision-making ability. After he was fired, it was O’Neill who said, memorably, that Bush in a cabinet meeting was “like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people.”Ex-SD
ParticipantFormer Bush Treasury Secretary O’Neill: Bailout is “crazy”
Paul O’Neill, who served as President Bush’s first treasury secretary, today called the bailout bill headed for Senate passage “crazy,” with “unbelievably bad” consequences.From Bloomberg News:
Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill said the $700 billion bank-rescue proposal under negotiation in Washington is “crazy,” with potentially “awful” consequences for the world’s largest economy.
“Doesn’t this seem like lunacy to you?” said O’Neill, who was President Bush’s first Treasury chief, from 2001 to 2002, in a telephone interview today. “The consequences of it are unbelievably bad in terms of public intrusion into the private sector.”
… “Is anybody thinking there?” asked O’Neill, who also served as deputy budget director in the Ford administration. “It’s too late, it’s not going to make any difference and it’s aggravating as hell when there’s a better idea and you can’t even get it in play,” he said, recognizing little success so far in pitching his own proposal.
O’Neill was the first Bush insider to publicly question the president’s judgment and decision-making ability. After he was fired, it was O’Neill who said, memorably, that Bush in a cabinet meeting was “like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people.”Ex-SD
ParticipantFormer Bush Treasury Secretary O’Neill: Bailout is “crazy”
Paul O’Neill, who served as President Bush’s first treasury secretary, today called the bailout bill headed for Senate passage “crazy,” with “unbelievably bad” consequences.From Bloomberg News:
Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill said the $700 billion bank-rescue proposal under negotiation in Washington is “crazy,” with potentially “awful” consequences for the world’s largest economy.
“Doesn’t this seem like lunacy to you?” said O’Neill, who was President Bush’s first Treasury chief, from 2001 to 2002, in a telephone interview today. “The consequences of it are unbelievably bad in terms of public intrusion into the private sector.”
… “Is anybody thinking there?” asked O’Neill, who also served as deputy budget director in the Ford administration. “It’s too late, it’s not going to make any difference and it’s aggravating as hell when there’s a better idea and you can’t even get it in play,” he said, recognizing little success so far in pitching his own proposal.
O’Neill was the first Bush insider to publicly question the president’s judgment and decision-making ability. After he was fired, it was O’Neill who said, memorably, that Bush in a cabinet meeting was “like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people.”Ex-SD
ParticipantFormer Bush Treasury Secretary O’Neill: Bailout is “crazy”
Paul O’Neill, who served as President Bush’s first treasury secretary, today called the bailout bill headed for Senate passage “crazy,” with “unbelievably bad” consequences.From Bloomberg News:
Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill said the $700 billion bank-rescue proposal under negotiation in Washington is “crazy,” with potentially “awful” consequences for the world’s largest economy.
“Doesn’t this seem like lunacy to you?” said O’Neill, who was President Bush’s first Treasury chief, from 2001 to 2002, in a telephone interview today. “The consequences of it are unbelievably bad in terms of public intrusion into the private sector.”
… “Is anybody thinking there?” asked O’Neill, who also served as deputy budget director in the Ford administration. “It’s too late, it’s not going to make any difference and it’s aggravating as hell when there’s a better idea and you can’t even get it in play,” he said, recognizing little success so far in pitching his own proposal.
O’Neill was the first Bush insider to publicly question the president’s judgment and decision-making ability. After he was fired, it was O’Neill who said, memorably, that Bush in a cabinet meeting was “like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people.” -
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