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[quote=SD Realtor]By the same token I do not view the Madison NBC News as a blog or racially motivated posting board. They used the term “beatings” when discussing the witnesses reports. The WIsonsin State Journal did not, they used the words attacks, the ABC affiliate WISN quoted police saying that “One officer described it as a “mob beating”…

So while you want to attribute the whole thing to every blog and forum you read misrepresenting what really happened, I am not so sure that this is accurate. So yes groupspeak and all that does exist and it goes in both directions. [/quote]

I’m a little confused by your post, and I’m sorry if I didn’t make mine more clear. I certainly didn’t mean to imply that I looked at every message board. The point that I was trying to make was that I found what I considered to be adequate and responsible reporting on the incident from the mainstream media on the first day after. Around the same time, my search turned up many (and I do mean “many”) websites, all of a similar sociopolitical persuasion and tone, that were reporting that the attacks were racially-motivated, and were circulating the identical “report” that featured the eyewitness statements. When the next round of mainstream news reports came out, it appeared that they were reacting to what had been circulating on those sites (and, quite possibly, to reports from their own viewers/readers who had seen them). At that time, they mentioned that the issue of racial motivation had been raised, and they asked that anyone having eyewitness accounts of this contact them. They also quoted the police chief as saying the evidence, THUS FAR, had not shown racial motivation. He, too, asked eyewitnesses to come forward.

My overall point is that the internet has become the primary and definitive news source for a very large number of people, who are actually listening/seeing stuff generated and maintained by rumor mills. And they use these “news reports” as EVIDENCE that the mainstream media is not doing its job, and that they are arbitrarily suppressing stories, or certain facts in stories, to affect the political course in this country. Because, as everyone knows, the mainstream media (except for Fox News) is biased. And they are ALL liberal.

BTW, to all who believe that, here’s an interesting fact: many of the reporters may be of a liberal bent, but most of the publishers and owners of mainstream media are conservative. So what does that tell you, America?

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[quote=SD Realtor]By the same token I do not view the Madison NBC News as a blog or racially motivated posting board. They used the term “beatings” when discussing the witnesses reports. The WIsonsin State Journal did not, they used the words attacks, the ABC affiliate WISN quoted police saying that “One officer described it as a “mob beating”…

So while you want to attribute the whole thing to every blog and forum you read misrepresenting what really happened, I am not so sure that this is accurate. So yes groupspeak and all that does exist and it goes in both directions. [/quote]

I’m a little confused by your post, and I’m sorry if I didn’t make mine more clear. I certainly didn’t mean to imply that I looked at every message board. The point that I was trying to make was that I found what I considered to be adequate and responsible reporting on the incident from the mainstream media on the first day after. Around the same time, my search turned up many (and I do mean “many”) websites, all of a similar sociopolitical persuasion and tone, that were reporting that the attacks were racially-motivated, and were circulating the identical “report” that featured the eyewitness statements. When the next round of mainstream news reports came out, it appeared that they were reacting to what had been circulating on those sites (and, quite possibly, to reports from their own viewers/readers who had seen them). At that time, they mentioned that the issue of racial motivation had been raised, and they asked that anyone having eyewitness accounts of this contact them. They also quoted the police chief as saying the evidence, THUS FAR, had not shown racial motivation. He, too, asked eyewitnesses to come forward.

My overall point is that the internet has become the primary and definitive news source for a very large number of people, who are actually listening/seeing stuff generated and maintained by rumor mills. And they use these “news reports” as EVIDENCE that the mainstream media is not doing its job, and that they are arbitrarily suppressing stories, or certain facts in stories, to affect the political course in this country. Because, as everyone knows, the mainstream media (except for Fox News) is biased. And they are ALL liberal.

BTW, to all who believe that, here’s an interesting fact: many of the reporters may be of a liberal bent, but most of the publishers and owners of mainstream media are conservative. So what does that tell you, America?

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[quote=walterwhite] A new amazing golden age is going to begin soon in this nation![/quote]

Okay, scaredy, now you’re just being depressing. Knock it off.

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[quote=walterwhite] A new amazing golden age is going to begin soon in this nation![/quote]

Okay, scaredy, now you’re just being depressing. Knock it off.

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[quote=walterwhite] A new amazing golden age is going to begin soon in this nation![/quote]

Okay, scaredy, now you’re just being depressing. Knock it off.

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[quote=walterwhite] A new amazing golden age is going to begin soon in this nation![/quote]

Okay, scaredy, now you’re just being depressing. Knock it off.

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[quote=walterwhite] A new amazing golden age is going to begin soon in this nation![/quote]

Okay, scaredy, now you’re just being depressing. Knock it off.

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[quote=briansd1] It’s interesting how you only really get to know a city after living in it, or at least visit frequently. [/quote]

BTW, Brian, even if you’re not religious, you might get a kick out of this. Outstanding Philadelphia examples from that golden period of religious architecture in American cities, 1850 to 1925.

Each individual church site has many more images, some of the interiors.

Some of these places are even more awesome when seen in real life. Really makes you shake your head when you think that most of these parishes were made up of poor laborers and workmen. Rule of thumb was “Feed the Church before feeding the family” (sold as “Feed your soul before feeding your body”. Clever, those Catholic Church marketing teams!)

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[quote=briansd1] It’s interesting how you only really get to know a city after living in it, or at least visit frequently. [/quote]

BTW, Brian, even if you’re not religious, you might get a kick out of this. Outstanding Philadelphia examples from that golden period of religious architecture in American cities, 1850 to 1925.

Each individual church site has many more images, some of the interiors.

Some of these places are even more awesome when seen in real life. Really makes you shake your head when you think that most of these parishes were made up of poor laborers and workmen. Rule of thumb was “Feed the Church before feeding the family” (sold as “Feed your soul before feeding your body”. Clever, those Catholic Church marketing teams!)

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[quote=briansd1] It’s interesting how you only really get to know a city after living in it, or at least visit frequently. [/quote]

BTW, Brian, even if you’re not religious, you might get a kick out of this. Outstanding Philadelphia examples from that golden period of religious architecture in American cities, 1850 to 1925.

Each individual church site has many more images, some of the interiors.

Some of these places are even more awesome when seen in real life. Really makes you shake your head when you think that most of these parishes were made up of poor laborers and workmen. Rule of thumb was “Feed the Church before feeding the family” (sold as “Feed your soul before feeding your body”. Clever, those Catholic Church marketing teams!)

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[quote=briansd1] It’s interesting how you only really get to know a city after living in it, or at least visit frequently. [/quote]

BTW, Brian, even if you’re not religious, you might get a kick out of this. Outstanding Philadelphia examples from that golden period of religious architecture in American cities, 1850 to 1925.

Each individual church site has many more images, some of the interiors.

Some of these places are even more awesome when seen in real life. Really makes you shake your head when you think that most of these parishes were made up of poor laborers and workmen. Rule of thumb was “Feed the Church before feeding the family” (sold as “Feed your soul before feeding your body”. Clever, those Catholic Church marketing teams!)

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[quote=briansd1] It’s interesting how you only really get to know a city after living in it, or at least visit frequently. [/quote]

BTW, Brian, even if you’re not religious, you might get a kick out of this. Outstanding Philadelphia examples from that golden period of religious architecture in American cities, 1850 to 1925.

Each individual church site has many more images, some of the interiors.

Some of these places are even more awesome when seen in real life. Really makes you shake your head when you think that most of these parishes were made up of poor laborers and workmen. Rule of thumb was “Feed the Church before feeding the family” (sold as “Feed your soul before feeding your body”. Clever, those Catholic Church marketing teams!)

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[quote=briansd1]I’m still getting familiar with Philly. I’m not there that much so I stay mostly in City Center. I make it a point to drive to the other neighborhoods to get a better lay of the land.

It’s interesting how you only really get to know a city after living in it, or at least visit frequently. [/quote]

Agree with your philosophy 100%, Brian. And Philly does have some great neighborhoods. I’m an architecture junkie, and some terrific examples in Philly. However, it can be painful to go through some of the residential neighborhoods and see the reno “butchering” that has occurred over the years. There’s a stretch of South Broad Street below Wash Ave, where someone back in the 70s bought a row of 4 or 6 great old enormous classic brownstones. They then proceeded to put aluminum siding over their facades (I’ll pause to allow for involuntary retching)…..and then installed a fake mansard roof across the entire stretch of buildings that covered the top 1/3 of the facades. It was some kind of shiny synthetic material that was supposed to resemble cedar shakes (because nothing says late 19th century brownstone elegance like shiny cedar shakes, right?)

It was probably the most egregious renovation I’ve ever come across.

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[quote=briansd1]I’m still getting familiar with Philly. I’m not there that much so I stay mostly in City Center. I make it a point to drive to the other neighborhoods to get a better lay of the land.

It’s interesting how you only really get to know a city after living in it, or at least visit frequently. [/quote]

Agree with your philosophy 100%, Brian. And Philly does have some great neighborhoods. I’m an architecture junkie, and some terrific examples in Philly. However, it can be painful to go through some of the residential neighborhoods and see the reno “butchering” that has occurred over the years. There’s a stretch of South Broad Street below Wash Ave, where someone back in the 70s bought a row of 4 or 6 great old enormous classic brownstones. They then proceeded to put aluminum siding over their facades (I’ll pause to allow for involuntary retching)…..and then installed a fake mansard roof across the entire stretch of buildings that covered the top 1/3 of the facades. It was some kind of shiny synthetic material that was supposed to resemble cedar shakes (because nothing says late 19th century brownstone elegance like shiny cedar shakes, right?)

It was probably the most egregious renovation I’ve ever come across.

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[quote=briansd1]I’m still getting familiar with Philly. I’m not there that much so I stay mostly in City Center. I make it a point to drive to the other neighborhoods to get a better lay of the land.

It’s interesting how you only really get to know a city after living in it, or at least visit frequently. [/quote]

Agree with your philosophy 100%, Brian. And Philly does have some great neighborhoods. I’m an architecture junkie, and some terrific examples in Philly. However, it can be painful to go through some of the residential neighborhoods and see the reno “butchering” that has occurred over the years. There’s a stretch of South Broad Street below Wash Ave, where someone back in the 70s bought a row of 4 or 6 great old enormous classic brownstones. They then proceeded to put aluminum siding over their facades (I’ll pause to allow for involuntary retching)…..and then installed a fake mansard roof across the entire stretch of buildings that covered the top 1/3 of the facades. It was some kind of shiny synthetic material that was supposed to resemble cedar shakes (because nothing says late 19th century brownstone elegance like shiny cedar shakes, right?)

It was probably the most egregious renovation I’ve ever come across.

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