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Participant[quote=UCGal]Here’s the UT’s take on it.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/aug/20/romney-home-in-la-jolla-to-grow/And if anyone wants to see the house on redfin – http://www.redfin.com/CA/La-Jolla/311-Dunemere-Dr-92037/home/4913412
Or zillow –
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/311-Dunemere-Dr-La-Jolla-CA-92037/16849324_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-bubble-address}(which still has listing pictures).
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Looking at Romney’s existing house, I can’t imagine how they are going to squeeze 11,000+ square feet of McMansion into that lot. Must suck to be the poor guy who lives directly behind Mitt’s property.
Unless he can manage to sell his property to Romney for hmmmmm……….. say, $19,999,000?
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=DataAgent]If you want to be Romney’s neighbor, the house next door (325 Dunemere) is for sale:
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-090039716-92037Cliff Robertson was born and grew up in this house.[/quote]
I LOVE this house. Huge oceanfront lot, beautiful grounds… Now if I only had a spare 19-20 Million.Time to play the lottery. ;)[/quote]
UCGal, don’t lose hope. It’s been on the market for over two years. Time for a price drop, which should make it more affordable………Well, affordable to you and 50 of your closest friends and relatives.
I just hope Mitt doesn’t decide to buy it, so he can tear it down and build himself his own little La Jolla Beachfront community.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=DataAgent]If you want to be Romney’s neighbor, the house next door (325 Dunemere) is for sale:
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-090039716-92037Cliff Robertson was born and grew up in this house.[/quote]
I LOVE this house. Huge oceanfront lot, beautiful grounds… Now if I only had a spare 19-20 Million.Time to play the lottery. ;)[/quote]
UCGal, don’t lose hope. It’s been on the market for over two years. Time for a price drop, which should make it more affordable………Well, affordable to you and 50 of your closest friends and relatives.
I just hope Mitt doesn’t decide to buy it, so he can tear it down and build himself his own little La Jolla Beachfront community.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=DataAgent]If you want to be Romney’s neighbor, the house next door (325 Dunemere) is for sale:
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-090039716-92037Cliff Robertson was born and grew up in this house.[/quote]
I LOVE this house. Huge oceanfront lot, beautiful grounds… Now if I only had a spare 19-20 Million.Time to play the lottery. ;)[/quote]
UCGal, don’t lose hope. It’s been on the market for over two years. Time for a price drop, which should make it more affordable………Well, affordable to you and 50 of your closest friends and relatives.
I just hope Mitt doesn’t decide to buy it, so he can tear it down and build himself his own little La Jolla Beachfront community.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=DataAgent]If you want to be Romney’s neighbor, the house next door (325 Dunemere) is for sale:
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-090039716-92037Cliff Robertson was born and grew up in this house.[/quote]
I LOVE this house. Huge oceanfront lot, beautiful grounds… Now if I only had a spare 19-20 Million.Time to play the lottery. ;)[/quote]
UCGal, don’t lose hope. It’s been on the market for over two years. Time for a price drop, which should make it more affordable………Well, affordable to you and 50 of your closest friends and relatives.
I just hope Mitt doesn’t decide to buy it, so he can tear it down and build himself his own little La Jolla Beachfront community.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=DataAgent]If you want to be Romney’s neighbor, the house next door (325 Dunemere) is for sale:
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-090039716-92037Cliff Robertson was born and grew up in this house.[/quote]
I LOVE this house. Huge oceanfront lot, beautiful grounds… Now if I only had a spare 19-20 Million.Time to play the lottery. ;)[/quote]
UCGal, don’t lose hope. It’s been on the market for over two years. Time for a price drop, which should make it more affordable………Well, affordable to you and 50 of your closest friends and relatives.
I just hope Mitt doesn’t decide to buy it, so he can tear it down and build himself his own little La Jolla Beachfront community.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=eavesdropper]Excuse me?? Dallas AND Houston BOTH made the list?? Red-state Texas? Super-Christianite Texas? Pro-marriage Texas? Anti-premarital sex Texas? Mega-family-values-Texas has TWO cities in the top ten? [/quote]
Seriously? This from the lady who constantly rail against the American public for being too polarized and not doing their proper research? I’m sure you did your research and just can’t help but be partisan. FYI both Harris County and Dallas County voted for Obama in 2008. Obama actually beat McCain 57.5% to 41.9% in Dallas.[/quote]Okay, AN, you reeeallly need to get over your absurd preoccupation with statements I’m making in my posts. You’re starting to remind me of the Frank Burns character in M*A*S*H, and that’s not a good thing.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve interpreted your post as saying that (1) I’m engaging in polarizing activity by bringing attention to Texas’s presence on the list, (2) that I didn’t do my proper research, and (3) that the research I didn’t do was wrong, and that the fact that Obama beat McCain in the 2008 elections in both Dallas and Harris counties PROVES that these two areas are actually liberal strongholds in Texas, thereby explaining their places on the list.
AN, I didn’t bring politics into my post at all. Everything that I DID mention has been well-established, many times over, in all forms of media, by both outside observers and Texas residents themselves. And these are sociological/cultural phenomena. Over the past few years, I have read hundreds of blog entries, message board posts, letters to editors, and interviews, in which residents of Texas attest to their high levels of morality, their true American family values, their religious fervor, and their special place in God’s radar. When their governor decide to rent a massive stadium in which attendees could get their Jesus on, just in case the message that Texas is the most Christiany place on the planet hadn’t reached everyone living on it, that just served to seal the deal.
But YOU have brought politics into this by your “evidence” re: the 2008 election results in Houston and Dallas. Are we expected to believe that because Obama beat McCain by 15 percentage points in Dallas County and 1.5 in Harris County, that Houston and Dallas are chock full of Democrats, and
— Democrats = liberals
— Liberals = godless sinners
therefore,
–Houston and Dallas are full of sinners, which is why they had a place on the 10 most promiscuous cities list?Actually, thinking that I was just leaving a tongue-in-cheek response to a humorous post from flu, I did NO research, proper or otherwise, prior to my post on Saturday.
However, I keep abreast of Texas political trends and elections, despite the fact that I am not currently a resident of that fine state. The Harris and Dallas county results of the race between the 2008 Presidential race contenders are true aberrations, AN. The only other year in the past sixty that a Democrat won the Presidency in Harris and Dallas counties was 1964 (why don’t you Google it to determine why that happened?).
The fact remains that Texas, including Harris and Dallas counties, is overwhelmingly (and, in all likelihood, permanently) Republican in its voter demographics. While Democratic candidates for U.S. Senate did slightly better than the Republican winners of the 2008 election, the Republicans maintained a significant lead in U.S. House, and Texas state senate and house seats in both Harris and Dallas counties in 2008. What’s more, these numbers increased in the 2010 midterms.
So, AN, to answer your question: Yes, SERIOUSLY, I find it amusing, and somewhat remarkable that not just one, but TWO Texas cities have found their way onto this list, given the PR job that both the people and the governor of Texas have given themselves over the past several years. Because I said something that wasn’t terribly complimentary to Texas (I pretty much called the Ultra-Christianites hypocrites) doesn’t mean that I am guilty of partisanship. Just like when the New York Times or NPR or CNN reports the criminal acts of a conservative congressman, that doesn’t invariably mean that they have a liberal bias.
In the meantime, stop hassling me with your obsessive nitpicking of my posts, and your absurd misinterpretation of their content. Once again, you’ve left yourself vulnerable to criticism, not because of an opinion or position you adopt, but because of your inability to “hear” what others are saying, and your lack of preparation prior to entering public discourse.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=eavesdropper]Excuse me?? Dallas AND Houston BOTH made the list?? Red-state Texas? Super-Christianite Texas? Pro-marriage Texas? Anti-premarital sex Texas? Mega-family-values-Texas has TWO cities in the top ten? [/quote]
Seriously? This from the lady who constantly rail against the American public for being too polarized and not doing their proper research? I’m sure you did your research and just can’t help but be partisan. FYI both Harris County and Dallas County voted for Obama in 2008. Obama actually beat McCain 57.5% to 41.9% in Dallas.[/quote]Okay, AN, you reeeallly need to get over your absurd preoccupation with statements I’m making in my posts. You’re starting to remind me of the Frank Burns character in M*A*S*H, and that’s not a good thing.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve interpreted your post as saying that (1) I’m engaging in polarizing activity by bringing attention to Texas’s presence on the list, (2) that I didn’t do my proper research, and (3) that the research I didn’t do was wrong, and that the fact that Obama beat McCain in the 2008 elections in both Dallas and Harris counties PROVES that these two areas are actually liberal strongholds in Texas, thereby explaining their places on the list.
AN, I didn’t bring politics into my post at all. Everything that I DID mention has been well-established, many times over, in all forms of media, by both outside observers and Texas residents themselves. And these are sociological/cultural phenomena. Over the past few years, I have read hundreds of blog entries, message board posts, letters to editors, and interviews, in which residents of Texas attest to their high levels of morality, their true American family values, their religious fervor, and their special place in God’s radar. When their governor decide to rent a massive stadium in which attendees could get their Jesus on, just in case the message that Texas is the most Christiany place on the planet hadn’t reached everyone living on it, that just served to seal the deal.
But YOU have brought politics into this by your “evidence” re: the 2008 election results in Houston and Dallas. Are we expected to believe that because Obama beat McCain by 15 percentage points in Dallas County and 1.5 in Harris County, that Houston and Dallas are chock full of Democrats, and
— Democrats = liberals
— Liberals = godless sinners
therefore,
–Houston and Dallas are full of sinners, which is why they had a place on the 10 most promiscuous cities list?Actually, thinking that I was just leaving a tongue-in-cheek response to a humorous post from flu, I did NO research, proper or otherwise, prior to my post on Saturday.
However, I keep abreast of Texas political trends and elections, despite the fact that I am not currently a resident of that fine state. The Harris and Dallas county results of the race between the 2008 Presidential race contenders are true aberrations, AN. The only other year in the past sixty that a Democrat won the Presidency in Harris and Dallas counties was 1964 (why don’t you Google it to determine why that happened?).
The fact remains that Texas, including Harris and Dallas counties, is overwhelmingly (and, in all likelihood, permanently) Republican in its voter demographics. While Democratic candidates for U.S. Senate did slightly better than the Republican winners of the 2008 election, the Republicans maintained a significant lead in U.S. House, and Texas state senate and house seats in both Harris and Dallas counties in 2008. What’s more, these numbers increased in the 2010 midterms.
So, AN, to answer your question: Yes, SERIOUSLY, I find it amusing, and somewhat remarkable that not just one, but TWO Texas cities have found their way onto this list, given the PR job that both the people and the governor of Texas have given themselves over the past several years. Because I said something that wasn’t terribly complimentary to Texas (I pretty much called the Ultra-Christianites hypocrites) doesn’t mean that I am guilty of partisanship. Just like when the New York Times or NPR or CNN reports the criminal acts of a conservative congressman, that doesn’t invariably mean that they have a liberal bias.
In the meantime, stop hassling me with your obsessive nitpicking of my posts, and your absurd misinterpretation of their content. Once again, you’ve left yourself vulnerable to criticism, not because of an opinion or position you adopt, but because of your inability to “hear” what others are saying, and your lack of preparation prior to entering public discourse.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=eavesdropper]Excuse me?? Dallas AND Houston BOTH made the list?? Red-state Texas? Super-Christianite Texas? Pro-marriage Texas? Anti-premarital sex Texas? Mega-family-values-Texas has TWO cities in the top ten? [/quote]
Seriously? This from the lady who constantly rail against the American public for being too polarized and not doing their proper research? I’m sure you did your research and just can’t help but be partisan. FYI both Harris County and Dallas County voted for Obama in 2008. Obama actually beat McCain 57.5% to 41.9% in Dallas.[/quote]Okay, AN, you reeeallly need to get over your absurd preoccupation with statements I’m making in my posts. You’re starting to remind me of the Frank Burns character in M*A*S*H, and that’s not a good thing.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve interpreted your post as saying that (1) I’m engaging in polarizing activity by bringing attention to Texas’s presence on the list, (2) that I didn’t do my proper research, and (3) that the research I didn’t do was wrong, and that the fact that Obama beat McCain in the 2008 elections in both Dallas and Harris counties PROVES that these two areas are actually liberal strongholds in Texas, thereby explaining their places on the list.
AN, I didn’t bring politics into my post at all. Everything that I DID mention has been well-established, many times over, in all forms of media, by both outside observers and Texas residents themselves. And these are sociological/cultural phenomena. Over the past few years, I have read hundreds of blog entries, message board posts, letters to editors, and interviews, in which residents of Texas attest to their high levels of morality, their true American family values, their religious fervor, and their special place in God’s radar. When their governor decide to rent a massive stadium in which attendees could get their Jesus on, just in case the message that Texas is the most Christiany place on the planet hadn’t reached everyone living on it, that just served to seal the deal.
But YOU have brought politics into this by your “evidence” re: the 2008 election results in Houston and Dallas. Are we expected to believe that because Obama beat McCain by 15 percentage points in Dallas County and 1.5 in Harris County, that Houston and Dallas are chock full of Democrats, and
— Democrats = liberals
— Liberals = godless sinners
therefore,
–Houston and Dallas are full of sinners, which is why they had a place on the 10 most promiscuous cities list?Actually, thinking that I was just leaving a tongue-in-cheek response to a humorous post from flu, I did NO research, proper or otherwise, prior to my post on Saturday.
However, I keep abreast of Texas political trends and elections, despite the fact that I am not currently a resident of that fine state. The Harris and Dallas county results of the race between the 2008 Presidential race contenders are true aberrations, AN. The only other year in the past sixty that a Democrat won the Presidency in Harris and Dallas counties was 1964 (why don’t you Google it to determine why that happened?).
The fact remains that Texas, including Harris and Dallas counties, is overwhelmingly (and, in all likelihood, permanently) Republican in its voter demographics. While Democratic candidates for U.S. Senate did slightly better than the Republican winners of the 2008 election, the Republicans maintained a significant lead in U.S. House, and Texas state senate and house seats in both Harris and Dallas counties in 2008. What’s more, these numbers increased in the 2010 midterms.
So, AN, to answer your question: Yes, SERIOUSLY, I find it amusing, and somewhat remarkable that not just one, but TWO Texas cities have found their way onto this list, given the PR job that both the people and the governor of Texas have given themselves over the past several years. Because I said something that wasn’t terribly complimentary to Texas (I pretty much called the Ultra-Christianites hypocrites) doesn’t mean that I am guilty of partisanship. Just like when the New York Times or NPR or CNN reports the criminal acts of a conservative congressman, that doesn’t invariably mean that they have a liberal bias.
In the meantime, stop hassling me with your obsessive nitpicking of my posts, and your absurd misinterpretation of their content. Once again, you’ve left yourself vulnerable to criticism, not because of an opinion or position you adopt, but because of your inability to “hear” what others are saying, and your lack of preparation prior to entering public discourse.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=eavesdropper]Excuse me?? Dallas AND Houston BOTH made the list?? Red-state Texas? Super-Christianite Texas? Pro-marriage Texas? Anti-premarital sex Texas? Mega-family-values-Texas has TWO cities in the top ten? [/quote]
Seriously? This from the lady who constantly rail against the American public for being too polarized and not doing their proper research? I’m sure you did your research and just can’t help but be partisan. FYI both Harris County and Dallas County voted for Obama in 2008. Obama actually beat McCain 57.5% to 41.9% in Dallas.[/quote]Okay, AN, you reeeallly need to get over your absurd preoccupation with statements I’m making in my posts. You’re starting to remind me of the Frank Burns character in M*A*S*H, and that’s not a good thing.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve interpreted your post as saying that (1) I’m engaging in polarizing activity by bringing attention to Texas’s presence on the list, (2) that I didn’t do my proper research, and (3) that the research I didn’t do was wrong, and that the fact that Obama beat McCain in the 2008 elections in both Dallas and Harris counties PROVES that these two areas are actually liberal strongholds in Texas, thereby explaining their places on the list.
AN, I didn’t bring politics into my post at all. Everything that I DID mention has been well-established, many times over, in all forms of media, by both outside observers and Texas residents themselves. And these are sociological/cultural phenomena. Over the past few years, I have read hundreds of blog entries, message board posts, letters to editors, and interviews, in which residents of Texas attest to their high levels of morality, their true American family values, their religious fervor, and their special place in God’s radar. When their governor decide to rent a massive stadium in which attendees could get their Jesus on, just in case the message that Texas is the most Christiany place on the planet hadn’t reached everyone living on it, that just served to seal the deal.
But YOU have brought politics into this by your “evidence” re: the 2008 election results in Houston and Dallas. Are we expected to believe that because Obama beat McCain by 15 percentage points in Dallas County and 1.5 in Harris County, that Houston and Dallas are chock full of Democrats, and
— Democrats = liberals
— Liberals = godless sinners
therefore,
–Houston and Dallas are full of sinners, which is why they had a place on the 10 most promiscuous cities list?Actually, thinking that I was just leaving a tongue-in-cheek response to a humorous post from flu, I did NO research, proper or otherwise, prior to my post on Saturday.
However, I keep abreast of Texas political trends and elections, despite the fact that I am not currently a resident of that fine state. The Harris and Dallas county results of the race between the 2008 Presidential race contenders are true aberrations, AN. The only other year in the past sixty that a Democrat won the Presidency in Harris and Dallas counties was 1964 (why don’t you Google it to determine why that happened?).
The fact remains that Texas, including Harris and Dallas counties, is overwhelmingly (and, in all likelihood, permanently) Republican in its voter demographics. While Democratic candidates for U.S. Senate did slightly better than the Republican winners of the 2008 election, the Republicans maintained a significant lead in U.S. House, and Texas state senate and house seats in both Harris and Dallas counties in 2008. What’s more, these numbers increased in the 2010 midterms.
So, AN, to answer your question: Yes, SERIOUSLY, I find it amusing, and somewhat remarkable that not just one, but TWO Texas cities have found their way onto this list, given the PR job that both the people and the governor of Texas have given themselves over the past several years. Because I said something that wasn’t terribly complimentary to Texas (I pretty much called the Ultra-Christianites hypocrites) doesn’t mean that I am guilty of partisanship. Just like when the New York Times or NPR or CNN reports the criminal acts of a conservative congressman, that doesn’t invariably mean that they have a liberal bias.
In the meantime, stop hassling me with your obsessive nitpicking of my posts, and your absurd misinterpretation of their content. Once again, you’ve left yourself vulnerable to criticism, not because of an opinion or position you adopt, but because of your inability to “hear” what others are saying, and your lack of preparation prior to entering public discourse.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=eavesdropper]Excuse me?? Dallas AND Houston BOTH made the list?? Red-state Texas? Super-Christianite Texas? Pro-marriage Texas? Anti-premarital sex Texas? Mega-family-values-Texas has TWO cities in the top ten? [/quote]
Seriously? This from the lady who constantly rail against the American public for being too polarized and not doing their proper research? I’m sure you did your research and just can’t help but be partisan. FYI both Harris County and Dallas County voted for Obama in 2008. Obama actually beat McCain 57.5% to 41.9% in Dallas.[/quote]Okay, AN, you reeeallly need to get over your absurd preoccupation with statements I’m making in my posts. You’re starting to remind me of the Frank Burns character in M*A*S*H, and that’s not a good thing.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve interpreted your post as saying that (1) I’m engaging in polarizing activity by bringing attention to Texas’s presence on the list, (2) that I didn’t do my proper research, and (3) that the research I didn’t do was wrong, and that the fact that Obama beat McCain in the 2008 elections in both Dallas and Harris counties PROVES that these two areas are actually liberal strongholds in Texas, thereby explaining their places on the list.
AN, I didn’t bring politics into my post at all. Everything that I DID mention has been well-established, many times over, in all forms of media, by both outside observers and Texas residents themselves. And these are sociological/cultural phenomena. Over the past few years, I have read hundreds of blog entries, message board posts, letters to editors, and interviews, in which residents of Texas attest to their high levels of morality, their true American family values, their religious fervor, and their special place in God’s radar. When their governor decide to rent a massive stadium in which attendees could get their Jesus on, just in case the message that Texas is the most Christiany place on the planet hadn’t reached everyone living on it, that just served to seal the deal.
But YOU have brought politics into this by your “evidence” re: the 2008 election results in Houston and Dallas. Are we expected to believe that because Obama beat McCain by 15 percentage points in Dallas County and 1.5 in Harris County, that Houston and Dallas are chock full of Democrats, and
— Democrats = liberals
— Liberals = godless sinners
therefore,
–Houston and Dallas are full of sinners, which is why they had a place on the 10 most promiscuous cities list?Actually, thinking that I was just leaving a tongue-in-cheek response to a humorous post from flu, I did NO research, proper or otherwise, prior to my post on Saturday.
However, I keep abreast of Texas political trends and elections, despite the fact that I am not currently a resident of that fine state. The Harris and Dallas county results of the race between the 2008 Presidential race contenders are true aberrations, AN. The only other year in the past sixty that a Democrat won the Presidency in Harris and Dallas counties was 1964 (why don’t you Google it to determine why that happened?).
The fact remains that Texas, including Harris and Dallas counties, is overwhelmingly (and, in all likelihood, permanently) Republican in its voter demographics. While Democratic candidates for U.S. Senate did slightly better than the Republican winners of the 2008 election, the Republicans maintained a significant lead in U.S. House, and Texas state senate and house seats in both Harris and Dallas counties in 2008. What’s more, these numbers increased in the 2010 midterms.
So, AN, to answer your question: Yes, SERIOUSLY, I find it amusing, and somewhat remarkable that not just one, but TWO Texas cities have found their way onto this list, given the PR job that both the people and the governor of Texas have given themselves over the past several years. Because I said something that wasn’t terribly complimentary to Texas (I pretty much called the Ultra-Christianites hypocrites) doesn’t mean that I am guilty of partisanship. Just like when the New York Times or NPR or CNN reports the criminal acts of a conservative congressman, that doesn’t invariably mean that they have a liberal bias.
In the meantime, stop hassling me with your obsessive nitpicking of my posts, and your absurd misinterpretation of their content. Once again, you’ve left yourself vulnerable to criticism, not because of an opinion or position you adopt, but because of your inability to “hear” what others are saying, and your lack of preparation prior to entering public discourse.
Participant“….[Romney] has filed an application….to bulldoze the existing 3,009-square-foot structure in the seaside neighborhood north of downtown and replace it with a two-story, 11,062-square-foot house….A Romney campaign aide confirmed the story on Sunday…….“They want to enlarge their two-bedroom home because with five married sons and 16 grandchildren, it is inadequate for their needs,” the aide said.
Shades of “The fundamentals of the economy are strong”, circa 2008 campaign. Maybe this is Mitt’s “jobs creation plan”?
The question is, who’s more clueless: the candidate, or the campaign staffer who not only didn’t think that it might be a good idea to deny the story, but who also chose to elaborate on the reasons for for the reno.
Participant“….[Romney] has filed an application….to bulldoze the existing 3,009-square-foot structure in the seaside neighborhood north of downtown and replace it with a two-story, 11,062-square-foot house….A Romney campaign aide confirmed the story on Sunday…….“They want to enlarge their two-bedroom home because with five married sons and 16 grandchildren, it is inadequate for their needs,” the aide said.
Shades of “The fundamentals of the economy are strong”, circa 2008 campaign. Maybe this is Mitt’s “jobs creation plan”?
The question is, who’s more clueless: the candidate, or the campaign staffer who not only didn’t think that it might be a good idea to deny the story, but who also chose to elaborate on the reasons for for the reno.
Participant“….[Romney] has filed an application….to bulldoze the existing 3,009-square-foot structure in the seaside neighborhood north of downtown and replace it with a two-story, 11,062-square-foot house….A Romney campaign aide confirmed the story on Sunday…….“They want to enlarge their two-bedroom home because with five married sons and 16 grandchildren, it is inadequate for their needs,” the aide said.
Shades of “The fundamentals of the economy are strong”, circa 2008 campaign. Maybe this is Mitt’s “jobs creation plan”?
The question is, who’s more clueless: the candidate, or the campaign staffer who not only didn’t think that it might be a good idea to deny the story, but who also chose to elaborate on the reasons for for the reno.
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