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[quote=flu]Anyone see the Carmel Valley “newspaper” lately? Looks like with the budget cuts, a lot of those afterschool programs are about to be axed along with some teachers.
…Why is it that when the state has a budget issue, the first places people love to cut is schools? Just curious if there is a correlation to CA being at the bottom of the education stack in the U.S. and what our state government/fed chooses to axe first.

At least the superintendent sort of speaks the talk:
“We haven’t been happy in tackling these cuts,” McClain said. “But we can’t continue to live beyond our means and maintain our budget.”

Fortunately, not “bad” cuts yet, just all the bells and whistles…But me thinks it’s going to get a lot worse….

Here’s the soft-print version:
http://www.carmelvalleyleader.com/news/253699-dmusd-considers-laying-off-19-esc-teachers

DMUSD considers laying off 19 ESC teachers
Feb 12, 2009
By Karen Billing

As many as 19 teachers in the Extended Studies Curriculum program may be laid off and the Del Mar Union School District Board of Trustees may cut out the art and physical education arms of that curriculum if the school board approves Superintendent Sharon McClain recommendations.

At the school board’s Feb. 11 meeting, McClain recommended that the ESC program be trimmed to include only technology, science and music based on input from parent surveys asking which programs they valued most.

“We haven’t been happy in tackling these cuts,” McClain said. “But we can’t continue to live beyond our means and maintain our budget.”

Currently there are 39 teachers in the ESC program and only 19 are needed to cover the contractual agreement of the program, McClain said. Seniority will play into the lay-off decisions and teachers are expected to receive preliminary notice by March 15.

A final decision on the cuts is expected to come at the next board meeting on Feb. 25 at 6 p.m.

About 50 people attended Wednesday night’s meeting at Del Mar Hills Academy.

Public comment included an art teacher near tears and a student who expressed how much her art and PE classes mean to her.

The cuts do not mean that PE and art won’t be taught in district schools. The subjects are already taught in the classroom. The cuts mean that they won’t be taught by specialized teachers in the ESC program, who bring “depth and complexity” to these subjects.

The board also discussed a shift in the way the ESC program is funded. By the 2010-11 school year, there will be no more site-specific fundraising for programs. Funds donated to the Del Mar School Education Foundation will be spread out among all schools equally, to provide parity.

As fundraising efforts have already begun at school sites for the 2009-2010 school year, McClain recommended giving schools until April 15 to raise the money needed to keep their ESC programs in 2009-2010.

Some parents expressed concern about specific sites not raising enough in that short timeline.[/quote]

Schools get the axe first cause they take the most. HALF goes to schools. HALF. It makes it hard to not cut schools.
And I may be a prick, but I think these are the kinda programs that need to go in a budget as bad as this one. Some kids not getting EXTRA gym isnt the worst thing to ever happen. Is it good, no, not claiming it is. But the sociatal costs of this cut compaired to some others is quite low. Besides, go play a sport. I am sure those programs were not cut. Or go for a run, or maybe, just maybe, play a sport with your kids after work. Or art. I know alot of people who can paint without the help of a teacher. Especially when these kids already had an hour of art instruction that day.

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[quote=flu]Anyone see the Carmel Valley “newspaper” lately? Looks like with the budget cuts, a lot of those afterschool programs are about to be axed along with some teachers.
…Why is it that when the state has a budget issue, the first places people love to cut is schools? Just curious if there is a correlation to CA being at the bottom of the education stack in the U.S. and what our state government/fed chooses to axe first.

At least the superintendent sort of speaks the talk:
“We haven’t been happy in tackling these cuts,” McClain said. “But we can’t continue to live beyond our means and maintain our budget.”

Fortunately, not “bad” cuts yet, just all the bells and whistles…But me thinks it’s going to get a lot worse….

Here’s the soft-print version:
http://www.carmelvalleyleader.com/news/253699-dmusd-considers-laying-off-19-esc-teachers

DMUSD considers laying off 19 ESC teachers
Feb 12, 2009
By Karen Billing

As many as 19 teachers in the Extended Studies Curriculum program may be laid off and the Del Mar Union School District Board of Trustees may cut out the art and physical education arms of that curriculum if the school board approves Superintendent Sharon McClain recommendations.

At the school board’s Feb. 11 meeting, McClain recommended that the ESC program be trimmed to include only technology, science and music based on input from parent surveys asking which programs they valued most.

“We haven’t been happy in tackling these cuts,” McClain said. “But we can’t continue to live beyond our means and maintain our budget.”

Currently there are 39 teachers in the ESC program and only 19 are needed to cover the contractual agreement of the program, McClain said. Seniority will play into the lay-off decisions and teachers are expected to receive preliminary notice by March 15.

A final decision on the cuts is expected to come at the next board meeting on Feb. 25 at 6 p.m.

About 50 people attended Wednesday night’s meeting at Del Mar Hills Academy.

Public comment included an art teacher near tears and a student who expressed how much her art and PE classes mean to her.

The cuts do not mean that PE and art won’t be taught in district schools. The subjects are already taught in the classroom. The cuts mean that they won’t be taught by specialized teachers in the ESC program, who bring “depth and complexity” to these subjects.

The board also discussed a shift in the way the ESC program is funded. By the 2010-11 school year, there will be no more site-specific fundraising for programs. Funds donated to the Del Mar School Education Foundation will be spread out among all schools equally, to provide parity.

As fundraising efforts have already begun at school sites for the 2009-2010 school year, McClain recommended giving schools until April 15 to raise the money needed to keep their ESC programs in 2009-2010.

Some parents expressed concern about specific sites not raising enough in that short timeline.[/quote]

Schools get the axe first cause they take the most. HALF goes to schools. HALF. It makes it hard to not cut schools.
And I may be a prick, but I think these are the kinda programs that need to go in a budget as bad as this one. Some kids not getting EXTRA gym isnt the worst thing to ever happen. Is it good, no, not claiming it is. But the sociatal costs of this cut compaired to some others is quite low. Besides, go play a sport. I am sure those programs were not cut. Or go for a run, or maybe, just maybe, play a sport with your kids after work. Or art. I know alot of people who can paint without the help of a teacher. Especially when these kids already had an hour of art instruction that day.

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Wayne,

sorry not to get back to your posts, been busy.

You are right, I was confusing tax cuts with budget cuts. My mistake.

I have been trying to get a better handle on this budget mess, but numbers are just harder to come by than I expected. It seems everyone talks in generalities and non-specifics, and I am starting to question if anyone has a good handle on what is going on.

So here is what I know so far.

Roughly half our general budget goes to Schools.
30% or so goes to health and social services.
10% or so goes to prisons.
Everything else gets the remaining 10%.

Does anyone have any links on how much of that goes to salaries? How much goes to supplies? How much goes to Administration and reimbursments? How much goes to fund Pensions? (I noticed that wasnt apart of the budgeting, which means they are rolling it into the budgets overall.)

Here is a decient breakdown, but what I notice is that it doesnt even give total size of the overall budget. I didnt really find it anywhere. If I remember right, it is about 100billion, but I couldnt find it. Seems like a basic fact doesnt it?

http://yubanet.com/california/California-Budget-Snapshot-February-14-2009.php

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Wayne,

sorry not to get back to your posts, been busy.

You are right, I was confusing tax cuts with budget cuts. My mistake.

I have been trying to get a better handle on this budget mess, but numbers are just harder to come by than I expected. It seems everyone talks in generalities and non-specifics, and I am starting to question if anyone has a good handle on what is going on.

So here is what I know so far.

Roughly half our general budget goes to Schools.
30% or so goes to health and social services.
10% or so goes to prisons.
Everything else gets the remaining 10%.

Does anyone have any links on how much of that goes to salaries? How much goes to supplies? How much goes to Administration and reimbursments? How much goes to fund Pensions? (I noticed that wasnt apart of the budgeting, which means they are rolling it into the budgets overall.)

Here is a decient breakdown, but what I notice is that it doesnt even give total size of the overall budget. I didnt really find it anywhere. If I remember right, it is about 100billion, but I couldnt find it. Seems like a basic fact doesnt it?

http://yubanet.com/california/California-Budget-Snapshot-February-14-2009.php

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Wayne,

sorry not to get back to your posts, been busy.

You are right, I was confusing tax cuts with budget cuts. My mistake.

I have been trying to get a better handle on this budget mess, but numbers are just harder to come by than I expected. It seems everyone talks in generalities and non-specifics, and I am starting to question if anyone has a good handle on what is going on.

So here is what I know so far.

Roughly half our general budget goes to Schools.
30% or so goes to health and social services.
10% or so goes to prisons.
Everything else gets the remaining 10%.

Does anyone have any links on how much of that goes to salaries? How much goes to supplies? How much goes to Administration and reimbursments? How much goes to fund Pensions? (I noticed that wasnt apart of the budgeting, which means they are rolling it into the budgets overall.)

Here is a decient breakdown, but what I notice is that it doesnt even give total size of the overall budget. I didnt really find it anywhere. If I remember right, it is about 100billion, but I couldnt find it. Seems like a basic fact doesnt it?

http://yubanet.com/california/California-Budget-Snapshot-February-14-2009.php

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Wayne,

sorry not to get back to your posts, been busy.

You are right, I was confusing tax cuts with budget cuts. My mistake.

I have been trying to get a better handle on this budget mess, but numbers are just harder to come by than I expected. It seems everyone talks in generalities and non-specifics, and I am starting to question if anyone has a good handle on what is going on.

So here is what I know so far.

Roughly half our general budget goes to Schools.
30% or so goes to health and social services.
10% or so goes to prisons.
Everything else gets the remaining 10%.

Does anyone have any links on how much of that goes to salaries? How much goes to supplies? How much goes to Administration and reimbursments? How much goes to fund Pensions? (I noticed that wasnt apart of the budgeting, which means they are rolling it into the budgets overall.)

Here is a decient breakdown, but what I notice is that it doesnt even give total size of the overall budget. I didnt really find it anywhere. If I remember right, it is about 100billion, but I couldnt find it. Seems like a basic fact doesnt it?

http://yubanet.com/california/California-Budget-Snapshot-February-14-2009.php

[DWCAP]

Wayne,

sorry not to get back to your posts, been busy.

You are right, I was confusing tax cuts with budget cuts. My mistake.

I have been trying to get a better handle on this budget mess, but numbers are just harder to come by than I expected. It seems everyone talks in generalities and non-specifics, and I am starting to question if anyone has a good handle on what is going on.

So here is what I know so far.

Roughly half our general budget goes to Schools.
30% or so goes to health and social services.
10% or so goes to prisons.
Everything else gets the remaining 10%.

Does anyone have any links on how much of that goes to salaries? How much goes to supplies? How much goes to Administration and reimbursments? How much goes to fund Pensions? (I noticed that wasnt apart of the budgeting, which means they are rolling it into the budgets overall.)

Here is a decient breakdown, but what I notice is that it doesnt even give total size of the overall budget. I didnt really find it anywhere. If I remember right, it is about 100billion, but I couldnt find it. Seems like a basic fact doesnt it?

http://yubanet.com/california/California-Budget-Snapshot-February-14-2009.php

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I am teaching my GF to shoot on a little old 22 rifle. It shoots straight and never jams with a 8 round clip. Great to learn on. That is what I learned on. You can shoot all day and wont get tired.

I also have a Beretta semi-auto 12 gage American Citizen. I can put 3 rounds through it in about 4 seconds, and have no idea what I would need more than that for. It is great cause the gas works the slide and takes a vast majority of the kick outa the gun.

My next gun will be a hand gun. Most likly a 40 Glock. Great weapon.

Brother has a AR-15, Id love to buy one, but they are not Ca compliant. 🙁

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I am teaching my GF to shoot on a little old 22 rifle. It shoots straight and never jams with a 8 round clip. Great to learn on. That is what I learned on. You can shoot all day and wont get tired.

I also have a Beretta semi-auto 12 gage American Citizen. I can put 3 rounds through it in about 4 seconds, and have no idea what I would need more than that for. It is great cause the gas works the slide and takes a vast majority of the kick outa the gun.

My next gun will be a hand gun. Most likly a 40 Glock. Great weapon.

Brother has a AR-15, Id love to buy one, but they are not Ca compliant. 🙁

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I am teaching my GF to shoot on a little old 22 rifle. It shoots straight and never jams with a 8 round clip. Great to learn on. That is what I learned on. You can shoot all day and wont get tired.

I also have a Beretta semi-auto 12 gage American Citizen. I can put 3 rounds through it in about 4 seconds, and have no idea what I would need more than that for. It is great cause the gas works the slide and takes a vast majority of the kick outa the gun.

My next gun will be a hand gun. Most likly a 40 Glock. Great weapon.

Brother has a AR-15, Id love to buy one, but they are not Ca compliant. 🙁

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I am teaching my GF to shoot on a little old 22 rifle. It shoots straight and never jams with a 8 round clip. Great to learn on. That is what I learned on. You can shoot all day and wont get tired.

I also have a Beretta semi-auto 12 gage American Citizen. I can put 3 rounds through it in about 4 seconds, and have no idea what I would need more than that for. It is great cause the gas works the slide and takes a vast majority of the kick outa the gun.

My next gun will be a hand gun. Most likly a 40 Glock. Great weapon.

Brother has a AR-15, Id love to buy one, but they are not Ca compliant. 🙁

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I am teaching my GF to shoot on a little old 22 rifle. It shoots straight and never jams with a 8 round clip. Great to learn on. That is what I learned on. You can shoot all day and wont get tired.

I also have a Beretta semi-auto 12 gage American Citizen. I can put 3 rounds through it in about 4 seconds, and have no idea what I would need more than that for. It is great cause the gas works the slide and takes a vast majority of the kick outa the gun.

My next gun will be a hand gun. Most likly a 40 Glock. Great weapon.

Brother has a AR-15, Id love to buy one, but they are not Ca compliant. 🙁

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“……they buy a house that costs $500k in TODAY’s market.”

Please excuse the question, but why such a nice house? TG just bought a place that was under 300k if I remember right and it sounds pretty awsome. I dont think that guy has bad taste, so I wonder why you need such an expensive house. An intergenerational loan like you describe is alot easier on the parents if it is 250k (+your 50k saved from screwing the bank) than if it is 500k.

The other question you need to ask is how long your dad wants to keep working. If he wants to drop dead on the job, and is making 100k, then it isnt such a big deal. If he wants a long retirment, then that is a different story.

Stop looking at this from your point of view and look at it from theirs. If it is the best thing for them, regardless of your interests, and it helps you too, then great. If not, then find a new scheam.

BTW, my parents have done something similar with my brother (he was buying his first house), and it has worked out for everyone. It can be a good idea.

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“……they buy a house that costs $500k in TODAY’s market.”

Please excuse the question, but why such a nice house? TG just bought a place that was under 300k if I remember right and it sounds pretty awsome. I dont think that guy has bad taste, so I wonder why you need such an expensive house. An intergenerational loan like you describe is alot easier on the parents if it is 250k (+your 50k saved from screwing the bank) than if it is 500k.

The other question you need to ask is how long your dad wants to keep working. If he wants to drop dead on the job, and is making 100k, then it isnt such a big deal. If he wants a long retirment, then that is a different story.

Stop looking at this from your point of view and look at it from theirs. If it is the best thing for them, regardless of your interests, and it helps you too, then great. If not, then find a new scheam.

BTW, my parents have done something similar with my brother (he was buying his first house), and it has worked out for everyone. It can be a good idea.

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“……they buy a house that costs $500k in TODAY’s market.”

Please excuse the question, but why such a nice house? TG just bought a place that was under 300k if I remember right and it sounds pretty awsome. I dont think that guy has bad taste, so I wonder why you need such an expensive house. An intergenerational loan like you describe is alot easier on the parents if it is 250k (+your 50k saved from screwing the bank) than if it is 500k.

The other question you need to ask is how long your dad wants to keep working. If he wants to drop dead on the job, and is making 100k, then it isnt such a big deal. If he wants a long retirment, then that is a different story.

Stop looking at this from your point of view and look at it from theirs. If it is the best thing for them, regardless of your interests, and it helps you too, then great. If not, then find a new scheam.

BTW, my parents have done something similar with my brother (he was buying his first house), and it has worked out for everyone. It can be a good idea.

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