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Dave,

So I end up with “how can it be ‘in good faith’ if it is all based on lies?” Just because politics is messy doesnt mean good faith doesnt require honesty. We will never get off this rollercoaster if at somepoint we never believe anything the government is saying.

If it isnt in good faith, then it is just more bull being shoveled by a different suit, and I see no reason not to criticize the current efforts being led by the same people and/or groups that got us here. Often it is in the criticism of my work that I find my best ideas.

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Dave,

So I end up with “how can it be ‘in good faith’ if it is all based on lies?” Just because politics is messy doesnt mean good faith doesnt require honesty. We will never get off this rollercoaster if at somepoint we never believe anything the government is saying.

If it isnt in good faith, then it is just more bull being shoveled by a different suit, and I see no reason not to criticize the current efforts being led by the same people and/or groups that got us here. Often it is in the criticism of my work that I find my best ideas.

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Just a question, but what is the “normal” jump for building in Feb.? I can think of a few reasons why it would always be higher in Feb than Jan.

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Just a question, but what is the “normal” jump for building in Feb.? I can think of a few reasons why it would always be higher in Feb than Jan.

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Just a question, but what is the “normal” jump for building in Feb.? I can think of a few reasons why it would always be higher in Feb than Jan.

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Just a question, but what is the “normal” jump for building in Feb.? I can think of a few reasons why it would always be higher in Feb than Jan.

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Just a question, but what is the “normal” jump for building in Feb.? I can think of a few reasons why it would always be higher in Feb than Jan.

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[quote=davelj] But now that they’re putting in a good faith effort (we can debate the anticipated effectiveness, to be sure) to stem the bleeding, everyone just bitches and moans as if they have any clue as to what to do.[/quote]

Not sure if I am included in that number, but I question your above statement. Is this a good faith attempt to fix the bleeding? Worrying about the few hundred million in bonus money and not the hundred billion + of the rest of it? There was NO accountability included in the original TARP/bailouts. Most of the “tough” restrictions of the original AIG bailouts are gone replaced by lots of words but little action. Our “infrastrusture building” ‘Stimulus’ contains a whole lotta stuff that isnt infrasture spending and of dubious ‘stimulus’ in a long term sense.
IN a time of record deficits it seems everyone found time to include their pork inbetween railing on deficit spending and worring out future generations.

I guess I question your assertation of “good faith”. It seems like the same old BS, just a different suit shoveling it.

[quote=davelj] Again, I’m no fan of the current Officialdom. But at least I can sympathize with the bind they’re in (granted, partly of their own making) – they’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Not an easy place to be.[/quote]

Id be more sympathetic if they were more honest.

” I realize this is screwing the young and poorer segments of our population, but I really feel that not bailing out the irresponsible and reckless who have overspent would be worse for our country, and those groups we are hurting, than doing nothing at all.”
Atleast then I could believe the words coming out of their mouths, even if I didnt like them.

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[quote=davelj] But now that they’re putting in a good faith effort (we can debate the anticipated effectiveness, to be sure) to stem the bleeding, everyone just bitches and moans as if they have any clue as to what to do.[/quote]

Not sure if I am included in that number, but I question your above statement. Is this a good faith attempt to fix the bleeding? Worrying about the few hundred million in bonus money and not the hundred billion + of the rest of it? There was NO accountability included in the original TARP/bailouts. Most of the “tough” restrictions of the original AIG bailouts are gone replaced by lots of words but little action. Our “infrastrusture building” ‘Stimulus’ contains a whole lotta stuff that isnt infrasture spending and of dubious ‘stimulus’ in a long term sense.
IN a time of record deficits it seems everyone found time to include their pork inbetween railing on deficit spending and worring out future generations.

I guess I question your assertation of “good faith”. It seems like the same old BS, just a different suit shoveling it.

[quote=davelj] Again, I’m no fan of the current Officialdom. But at least I can sympathize with the bind they’re in (granted, partly of their own making) – they’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Not an easy place to be.[/quote]

Id be more sympathetic if they were more honest.

” I realize this is screwing the young and poorer segments of our population, but I really feel that not bailing out the irresponsible and reckless who have overspent would be worse for our country, and those groups we are hurting, than doing nothing at all.”
Atleast then I could believe the words coming out of their mouths, even if I didnt like them.

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[quote=davelj] But now that they’re putting in a good faith effort (we can debate the anticipated effectiveness, to be sure) to stem the bleeding, everyone just bitches and moans as if they have any clue as to what to do.[/quote]

Not sure if I am included in that number, but I question your above statement. Is this a good faith attempt to fix the bleeding? Worrying about the few hundred million in bonus money and not the hundred billion + of the rest of it? There was NO accountability included in the original TARP/bailouts. Most of the “tough” restrictions of the original AIG bailouts are gone replaced by lots of words but little action. Our “infrastrusture building” ‘Stimulus’ contains a whole lotta stuff that isnt infrasture spending and of dubious ‘stimulus’ in a long term sense.
IN a time of record deficits it seems everyone found time to include their pork inbetween railing on deficit spending and worring out future generations.

I guess I question your assertation of “good faith”. It seems like the same old BS, just a different suit shoveling it.

[quote=davelj] Again, I’m no fan of the current Officialdom. But at least I can sympathize with the bind they’re in (granted, partly of their own making) – they’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Not an easy place to be.[/quote]

Id be more sympathetic if they were more honest.

” I realize this is screwing the young and poorer segments of our population, but I really feel that not bailing out the irresponsible and reckless who have overspent would be worse for our country, and those groups we are hurting, than doing nothing at all.”
Atleast then I could believe the words coming out of their mouths, even if I didnt like them.

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[quote=davelj] But now that they’re putting in a good faith effort (we can debate the anticipated effectiveness, to be sure) to stem the bleeding, everyone just bitches and moans as if they have any clue as to what to do.[/quote]

Not sure if I am included in that number, but I question your above statement. Is this a good faith attempt to fix the bleeding? Worrying about the few hundred million in bonus money and not the hundred billion + of the rest of it? There was NO accountability included in the original TARP/bailouts. Most of the “tough” restrictions of the original AIG bailouts are gone replaced by lots of words but little action. Our “infrastrusture building” ‘Stimulus’ contains a whole lotta stuff that isnt infrasture spending and of dubious ‘stimulus’ in a long term sense.
IN a time of record deficits it seems everyone found time to include their pork inbetween railing on deficit spending and worring out future generations.

I guess I question your assertation of “good faith”. It seems like the same old BS, just a different suit shoveling it.

[quote=davelj] Again, I’m no fan of the current Officialdom. But at least I can sympathize with the bind they’re in (granted, partly of their own making) – they’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Not an easy place to be.[/quote]

Id be more sympathetic if they were more honest.

” I realize this is screwing the young and poorer segments of our population, but I really feel that not bailing out the irresponsible and reckless who have overspent would be worse for our country, and those groups we are hurting, than doing nothing at all.”
Atleast then I could believe the words coming out of their mouths, even if I didnt like them.

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[quote=davelj] But now that they’re putting in a good faith effort (we can debate the anticipated effectiveness, to be sure) to stem the bleeding, everyone just bitches and moans as if they have any clue as to what to do.[/quote]

Not sure if I am included in that number, but I question your above statement. Is this a good faith attempt to fix the bleeding? Worrying about the few hundred million in bonus money and not the hundred billion + of the rest of it? There was NO accountability included in the original TARP/bailouts. Most of the “tough” restrictions of the original AIG bailouts are gone replaced by lots of words but little action. Our “infrastrusture building” ‘Stimulus’ contains a whole lotta stuff that isnt infrasture spending and of dubious ‘stimulus’ in a long term sense.
IN a time of record deficits it seems everyone found time to include their pork inbetween railing on deficit spending and worring out future generations.

I guess I question your assertation of “good faith”. It seems like the same old BS, just a different suit shoveling it.

[quote=davelj] Again, I’m no fan of the current Officialdom. But at least I can sympathize with the bind they’re in (granted, partly of their own making) – they’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Not an easy place to be.[/quote]

Id be more sympathetic if they were more honest.

” I realize this is screwing the young and poorer segments of our population, but I really feel that not bailing out the irresponsible and reckless who have overspent would be worse for our country, and those groups we are hurting, than doing nothing at all.”
Atleast then I could believe the words coming out of their mouths, even if I didnt like them.

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Just to add to AN’s comment:

My response to the whiners would be “I always thought the American Dream was giving your kids a better life than you had. I dont see the words ‘morgage’, ‘house’, or ‘loan’ in that statement anywhere.”

This is why the government should be supporting schools and child health care, not McMansions and dead banks.

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Just to add to AN’s comment:

My response to the whiners would be “I always thought the American Dream was giving your kids a better life than you had. I dont see the words ‘morgage’, ‘house’, or ‘loan’ in that statement anywhere.”

This is why the government should be supporting schools and child health care, not McMansions and dead banks.

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Just to add to AN’s comment:

My response to the whiners would be “I always thought the American Dream was giving your kids a better life than you had. I dont see the words ‘morgage’, ‘house’, or ‘loan’ in that statement anywhere.”

This is why the government should be supporting schools and child health care, not McMansions and dead banks.

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