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ParticipantDifference between civil and criminal
I mostly just lurk here and appreciate your insights on most matters but on this one, I am amazed at the level of ignorance & malice exhibited by some of you in your zeal to hang (or inject) anybody you think is responsible for this mess.
Society has tried things like debtor prisons and all in the past and found that they do not work (anybody read Charles Dickens?). If you commit a white collar crime like swindling money out of folks pension funds, it still ranks low compared to violating their rights in person. A white collar criminal has not violated your civil rights by talking you out of your money. You had a choice to do business with that person. This is not the same as breaking into your house and stealing, say $100 worth of your stuff.
Why should folks who ran Enron get death penalty? Did they commit homicide? Did they violate a fellow citizen’s rights? Is it their fault that their investors were a bunch of dumbasses who did not do their homework before investing in Enron?
Extending the same to the mortgage issues in CA or FL, the law will eventually catch up with those brokers & agents who committed fraud, and they will eventually pay for it. But hopefully not in the part of capital punishment as some of you here are asking for. Their customers had a choice to do business with them.
Why is it that those ultimately responsible for this crisis (the new homeowners) are the ones squealing the most and asking for more punishment for brokers and agents? Is it their way of picking on others for their bad judgment? It was greed that drove everybody from hedge fund managers to the homeowners. They all are part of this mess. Now that the party is over, they are all blaming each other for the bad hangover.
Where does this stop when one party asks for capital punishment of the other party in this mess? Can those renters who sat out of this show ask for capital punishment of those home owners who made it difficult for me to buy a home due to their greed?
Participant“One more thing. The blood of 500,000 Americans was shed earning freedom for slaves. I’m sorry, but in my book that is compensation and apology enough.”
Well put navydoc.
I know of no other country where such issues are debated openly as much as it is done here. I also know of no other country where past atrocities/mistakes are acknowledged and lessons drawn for the future as much as it is done here. If anybody here can show a counter example, I would love to hear from you.Participant“One more thing. The blood of 500,000 Americans was shed earning freedom for slaves. I’m sorry, but in my book that is compensation and apology enough.”
Well put navydoc.
I know of no other country where such issues are debated openly as much as it is done here. I also know of no other country where past atrocities/mistakes are acknowledged and lessons drawn for the future as much as it is done here. If anybody here can show a counter example, I would love to hear from you.Participant“One more thing. The blood of 500,000 Americans was shed earning freedom for slaves. I’m sorry, but in my book that is compensation and apology enough.”
Well put navydoc.
I know of no other country where such issues are debated openly as much as it is done here. I also know of no other country where past atrocities/mistakes are acknowledged and lessons drawn for the future as much as it is done here. If anybody here can show a counter example, I would love to hear from you.Participant“One more thing. The blood of 500,000 Americans was shed earning freedom for slaves. I’m sorry, but in my book that is compensation and apology enough.”
Well put navydoc.
I know of no other country where such issues are debated openly as much as it is done here. I also know of no other country where past atrocities/mistakes are acknowledged and lessons drawn for the future as much as it is done here. If anybody here can show a counter example, I would love to hear from you.Participant“One more thing. The blood of 500,000 Americans was shed earning freedom for slaves. I’m sorry, but in my book that is compensation and apology enough.”
Well put navydoc.
I know of no other country where such issues are debated openly as much as it is done here. I also know of no other country where past atrocities/mistakes are acknowledged and lessons drawn for the future as much as it is done here. If anybody here can show a counter example, I would love to hear from you.ParticipantSeriously, white people, did you all have a meeting somewhere, where you decided that Obama was black and have to use race, slavery in the same sentence as Obama all the time? How come I did not get that memo? What is it about you that makes you ignore that he is half white biologically and maybe even more in terms of entitlement? Seriously, exactly what is “black” about Obama, with a white mother and a father from eastern Africa? If somebody like Obama brings about these emotions, how would you cope with a homegrown fully American black dude in politics? Grow up. acting on guilt never helped anybody.
And black people, if voting for somebody who looks like you is your sole criteria, then do you realize the consequences if everybody goes by the same rule once they go to vote? Do you really, really think your life will change for better if Obama is president? How many times did he had to fight discrimination in his life? How can he relate to you?
And to everybody else…prepare to prove your “blackness” if the feds ever decide to cut a check for their past guilt. I would hate for you to miss that gravy loaded guilt train.
ParticipantSeriously, white people, did you all have a meeting somewhere, where you decided that Obama was black and have to use race, slavery in the same sentence as Obama all the time? How come I did not get that memo? What is it about you that makes you ignore that he is half white biologically and maybe even more in terms of entitlement? Seriously, exactly what is “black” about Obama, with a white mother and a father from eastern Africa? If somebody like Obama brings about these emotions, how would you cope with a homegrown fully American black dude in politics? Grow up. acting on guilt never helped anybody.
And black people, if voting for somebody who looks like you is your sole criteria, then do you realize the consequences if everybody goes by the same rule once they go to vote? Do you really, really think your life will change for better if Obama is president? How many times did he had to fight discrimination in his life? How can he relate to you?
And to everybody else…prepare to prove your “blackness” if the feds ever decide to cut a check for their past guilt. I would hate for you to miss that gravy loaded guilt train.
ParticipantSeriously, white people, did you all have a meeting somewhere, where you decided that Obama was black and have to use race, slavery in the same sentence as Obama all the time? How come I did not get that memo? What is it about you that makes you ignore that he is half white biologically and maybe even more in terms of entitlement? Seriously, exactly what is “black” about Obama, with a white mother and a father from eastern Africa? If somebody like Obama brings about these emotions, how would you cope with a homegrown fully American black dude in politics? Grow up. acting on guilt never helped anybody.
And black people, if voting for somebody who looks like you is your sole criteria, then do you realize the consequences if everybody goes by the same rule once they go to vote? Do you really, really think your life will change for better if Obama is president? How many times did he had to fight discrimination in his life? How can he relate to you?
And to everybody else…prepare to prove your “blackness” if the feds ever decide to cut a check for their past guilt. I would hate for you to miss that gravy loaded guilt train.
ParticipantSeriously, white people, did you all have a meeting somewhere, where you decided that Obama was black and have to use race, slavery in the same sentence as Obama all the time? How come I did not get that memo? What is it about you that makes you ignore that he is half white biologically and maybe even more in terms of entitlement? Seriously, exactly what is “black” about Obama, with a white mother and a father from eastern Africa? If somebody like Obama brings about these emotions, how would you cope with a homegrown fully American black dude in politics? Grow up. acting on guilt never helped anybody.
And black people, if voting for somebody who looks like you is your sole criteria, then do you realize the consequences if everybody goes by the same rule once they go to vote? Do you really, really think your life will change for better if Obama is president? How many times did he had to fight discrimination in his life? How can he relate to you?
And to everybody else…prepare to prove your “blackness” if the feds ever decide to cut a check for their past guilt. I would hate for you to miss that gravy loaded guilt train.
ParticipantSeriously, white people, did you all have a meeting somewhere, where you decided that Obama was black and have to use race, slavery in the same sentence as Obama all the time? How come I did not get that memo? What is it about you that makes you ignore that he is half white biologically and maybe even more in terms of entitlement? Seriously, exactly what is “black” about Obama, with a white mother and a father from eastern Africa? If somebody like Obama brings about these emotions, how would you cope with a homegrown fully American black dude in politics? Grow up. acting on guilt never helped anybody.
And black people, if voting for somebody who looks like you is your sole criteria, then do you realize the consequences if everybody goes by the same rule once they go to vote? Do you really, really think your life will change for better if Obama is president? How many times did he had to fight discrimination in his life? How can he relate to you?
And to everybody else…prepare to prove your “blackness” if the feds ever decide to cut a check for their past guilt. I would hate for you to miss that gravy loaded guilt train.
Participantliberals are intolerantly tolerant
and I got nothing better to do today.
Participantliberals are intolerantly tolerant
and I got nothing better to do today.
Participantliberals are intolerantly tolerant
and I got nothing better to do today.
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