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June 8, 2007 at 2:16 PM in reply to: So I’m curious. How do you usually vote? Financially or Socially? #58017June 8, 2007 at 1:24 PM in reply to: So I’m curious. How do you usually vote? Financially or Socially? #57966drunkleParticipant
“I wish it mattered. There is nobody running that I could endorse. Democracy in the US is an illusion.”
ron paul. his social ideas are flawed, but at least he appears to be a constitutionalist.
in answer to the question… yes.
see, this question, money or social help is redundant. it takes money to pay for the programs, if you’re not down for the programs, you’re not down to spend money on them.
you will always be guided by your values in making such decisions. you can’t simply say “i’m republican because i dont want taxes”. you have to help pay for those functions that the government is suppposed to perform. it’s the decisions on which functions are necessary that guides the money. not the other way around, nobody is interested in simply throwing money aimless around… or hording it at their own expense.
the primary difference in ideologies is that conservative wants the past or status quo. the liberal is forward looking and trying to prepare. it’s framed perfectly by the global warming debate, conservatives are wait and see, liberals are study and prevent.
george bush’s adventurism, his pre-emptive attack on iraq is exactly a liberal position, one that makes him a neo-con, a conservative fraud.
the difference between tax and spend or borrow and spend is moot. taxation is borrowing, borrowing is taxation. at least, for governments. framing the difference between cons and libs in this light misses the fact that they’re still doing the same thing: spending your money on their toys.
etc etc etc.
June 8, 2007 at 1:24 PM in reply to: So I’m curious. How do you usually vote? Financially or Socially? #57993drunkleParticipant“I wish it mattered. There is nobody running that I could endorse. Democracy in the US is an illusion.”
ron paul. his social ideas are flawed, but at least he appears to be a constitutionalist.
in answer to the question… yes.
see, this question, money or social help is redundant. it takes money to pay for the programs, if you’re not down for the programs, you’re not down to spend money on them.
you will always be guided by your values in making such decisions. you can’t simply say “i’m republican because i dont want taxes”. you have to help pay for those functions that the government is suppposed to perform. it’s the decisions on which functions are necessary that guides the money. not the other way around, nobody is interested in simply throwing money aimless around… or hording it at their own expense.
the primary difference in ideologies is that conservative wants the past or status quo. the liberal is forward looking and trying to prepare. it’s framed perfectly by the global warming debate, conservatives are wait and see, liberals are study and prevent.
george bush’s adventurism, his pre-emptive attack on iraq is exactly a liberal position, one that makes him a neo-con, a conservative fraud.
the difference between tax and spend or borrow and spend is moot. taxation is borrowing, borrowing is taxation. at least, for governments. framing the difference between cons and libs in this light misses the fact that they’re still doing the same thing: spending your money on their toys.
etc etc etc.
drunkleParticipantmedian household income is the total of both family households and nonfamily households.
income, median household: 56k
median family: 66k
median nonfamily: 38kof the total households (1.04 mil), nonfamily is about 1/3 (.35 mil).
that clears my confusion on why the two different data sets; one is a subset of the other. whereas, i was previously under the assumption that “median household” excluded family households.
the non family households number is what i was really interested in. under my previously incorrect assumption that “household income” excluded family households, i thought the median income to be fairly high and therefore, more than 2:1 wage earners per home. the non family household median income is much more in line with both a 2:1 residency and individual wages.
drunkleParticipantmedian household income is the total of both family households and nonfamily households.
income, median household: 56k
median family: 66k
median nonfamily: 38kof the total households (1.04 mil), nonfamily is about 1/3 (.35 mil).
that clears my confusion on why the two different data sets; one is a subset of the other. whereas, i was previously under the assumption that “median household” excluded family households.
the non family households number is what i was really interested in. under my previously incorrect assumption that “household income” excluded family households, i thought the median income to be fairly high and therefore, more than 2:1 wage earners per home. the non family household median income is much more in line with both a 2:1 residency and individual wages.
drunkleParticipantthe reason i ask is because i didn’t want to make any such assumptions… you figure 2:1, but i’m thinking it’s more like 2.5 to 3:1, at least for determining persons/incomes per house in the household stat.
the poverty rate is over 12%. the difference between median income and per capita income is huge. the spread between median and top 5% is galactic.
the point of all this being that i dont think anyones estimate of “normal” home price is anywhere near truly affordable. that median income is twisted and skewed in order to justify “inflation” and “appreciation”.
btw, i make 70k/year sdsu dropout i dont know how old i am and i dont want to know.
drunkleParticipantthe reason i ask is because i didn’t want to make any such assumptions… you figure 2:1, but i’m thinking it’s more like 2.5 to 3:1, at least for determining persons/incomes per house in the household stat.
the poverty rate is over 12%. the difference between median income and per capita income is huge. the spread between median and top 5% is galactic.
the point of all this being that i dont think anyones estimate of “normal” home price is anywhere near truly affordable. that median income is twisted and skewed in order to justify “inflation” and “appreciation”.
btw, i make 70k/year sdsu dropout i dont know how old i am and i dont want to know.
drunkleParticipant“We have an obligation to prevent fraud and abusive lending,” Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said in a speech Tuesday. “At the same time, we must tread carefully so as not to suppress responsible lending or eliminate refinancing opportunities for subprime borrowers.”
since when is ben bernanke a law maker…
drunkleParticipant“We have an obligation to prevent fraud and abusive lending,” Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said in a speech Tuesday. “At the same time, we must tread carefully so as not to suppress responsible lending or eliminate refinancing opportunities for subprime borrowers.”
since when is ben bernanke a law maker…
drunkleParticipantwhat is the point of a household statistic when the members of the house are not financially committed to each other?
family income, ok, you use that measure how well families are doing as well as calculate how much money you can take from them.
individual income, same, although the differences in per capita, median-male, median-female, etc are twisted.
but the household number… seems a distraction from the appalling poverty rate and per capita numbers.
which reminds me, how many homes are there per person?
drunkleParticipantwhat is the point of a household statistic when the members of the house are not financially committed to each other?
family income, ok, you use that measure how well families are doing as well as calculate how much money you can take from them.
individual income, same, although the differences in per capita, median-male, median-female, etc are twisted.
but the household number… seems a distraction from the appalling poverty rate and per capita numbers.
which reminds me, how many homes are there per person?
drunkleParticipantis household defined as income of all inhabitants? ie., kids, roommates, etc? i think it is and i think the census numbers are skewed because of it.
drunkleParticipantis household defined as income of all inhabitants? ie., kids, roommates, etc? i think it is and i think the census numbers are skewed because of it.
June 6, 2007 at 4:48 PM in reply to: Clone yourself an army- then maybe you can afford a house #57292drunkleParticipantbut where are the slaves going to live? you’ll either have to buy them housing or they’ll shack up with you. in which case, your spouse might die of exhaustion…
not to mention, the run up in housing demand and the associated increase in prices. thereby defeating the purpose. and you’ll be out one spouse.
June 6, 2007 at 4:48 PM in reply to: Clone yourself an army- then maybe you can afford a house #57315drunkleParticipantbut where are the slaves going to live? you’ll either have to buy them housing or they’ll shack up with you. in which case, your spouse might die of exhaustion…
not to mention, the run up in housing demand and the associated increase in prices. thereby defeating the purpose. and you’ll be out one spouse.
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