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[quote=gandalf]All the ‘Obamacare Socialism’ crap is ridiculous.

The Health Insurance Industry sucks.

Stop defending the status quo.[/quote]
When have I defended the health insurance industry? I don’t work for the health insurance industry, I work for a hospital system. I agree, health insurance needs reform…not the entire health care industry.

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[quote=gandalf]All the ‘Obamacare Socialism’ crap is ridiculous.

The Health Insurance Industry sucks.

Stop defending the status quo.[/quote]
When have I defended the health insurance industry? I don’t work for the health insurance industry, I work for a hospital system. I agree, health insurance needs reform…not the entire health care industry.

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[quote=gandalf]When it comes to corporate America and handing out favors for big business, the GOP is worse than Democrats. Everybody knows this.

Sadly, a protest vote for the GOP is an endorsement of growing corporate power. That’s the reality.

Bitch about Obama all you want. The GOP is worse.[/quote]

Well, it comes down to either the government being in control or corporations being in control from what you are saying. Which is worse? I don’t know. You have progressives on one side trying to take down corporations and you have conservatives/tea partiers on the other side trying to take down government. Maybe neither is in the wrong? After all, haven’t both corporations and government grown out of control? Instead, we all argue against each other (left and right) while never making headway on either side…exactly what they want.

[Djshakes]

[quote=gandalf]When it comes to corporate America and handing out favors for big business, the GOP is worse than Democrats. Everybody knows this.

Sadly, a protest vote for the GOP is an endorsement of growing corporate power. That’s the reality.

Bitch about Obama all you want. The GOP is worse.[/quote]

Well, it comes down to either the government being in control or corporations being in control from what you are saying. Which is worse? I don’t know. You have progressives on one side trying to take down corporations and you have conservatives/tea partiers on the other side trying to take down government. Maybe neither is in the wrong? After all, haven’t both corporations and government grown out of control? Instead, we all argue against each other (left and right) while never making headway on either side…exactly what they want.

[Djshakes]

[quote=gandalf]When it comes to corporate America and handing out favors for big business, the GOP is worse than Democrats. Everybody knows this.

Sadly, a protest vote for the GOP is an endorsement of growing corporate power. That’s the reality.

Bitch about Obama all you want. The GOP is worse.[/quote]

Well, it comes down to either the government being in control or corporations being in control from what you are saying. Which is worse? I don’t know. You have progressives on one side trying to take down corporations and you have conservatives/tea partiers on the other side trying to take down government. Maybe neither is in the wrong? After all, haven’t both corporations and government grown out of control? Instead, we all argue against each other (left and right) while never making headway on either side…exactly what they want.

[Djshakes]

[quote=gandalf]When it comes to corporate America and handing out favors for big business, the GOP is worse than Democrats. Everybody knows this.

Sadly, a protest vote for the GOP is an endorsement of growing corporate power. That’s the reality.

Bitch about Obama all you want. The GOP is worse.[/quote]

Well, it comes down to either the government being in control or corporations being in control from what you are saying. Which is worse? I don’t know. You have progressives on one side trying to take down corporations and you have conservatives/tea partiers on the other side trying to take down government. Maybe neither is in the wrong? After all, haven’t both corporations and government grown out of control? Instead, we all argue against each other (left and right) while never making headway on either side…exactly what they want.

[Djshakes]

[quote=gandalf]When it comes to corporate America and handing out favors for big business, the GOP is worse than Democrats. Everybody knows this.

Sadly, a protest vote for the GOP is an endorsement of growing corporate power. That’s the reality.

Bitch about Obama all you want. The GOP is worse.[/quote]

Well, it comes down to either the government being in control or corporations being in control from what you are saying. Which is worse? I don’t know. You have progressives on one side trying to take down corporations and you have conservatives/tea partiers on the other side trying to take down government. Maybe neither is in the wrong? After all, haven’t both corporations and government grown out of control? Instead, we all argue against each other (left and right) while never making headway on either side…exactly what they want.

[Djshakes]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Djshakes]The government sought to control 1/6 of the economy through healthcare and they have succeeded. [/quote]

Djshakes, the Obama health care plan is virtually the same as the Republican 1993 proposal. I hope that your non-partisan self can see that.

Obama Health Proposal = 1993 Republican Proposal

Posted on: March 1, 2010 9:23 AM, by Ed Brayton

Kaiser Health News points out something quite interesting. The health care reform proposal that President Obama just put out is remarkably similar to the Republican alternative to Clinton’s health care reform bill from 1993. That 1993 bill was sponsored by Sen. John Chafee (R-Rhode Island) and had 19 Republican co-sponsors in the Senate and two Democratic co-sponsors and was the primary alternative offered by the Republicans to Clinton’s bill.

Check out the chart of similarities between the Chafee bill and the Obama bill. Apparently the Republicans in 1993 were a bunch of socialists bent on making reparations and rebuilding the Third Reich, complete with death panels and murdering Sarah Palin’s baby.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/03/obama_health_proposal_1993_rep.php

More on Republican opposition to Health Care Reform:
http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/john-farrell/2010/3/19/why-republicans-fear-obamas-healthcare-reform_print.html%5B/quote%5D

My non-partisan self can see that. That is why I opposed it when they proposed it. What part of government (not just democrat)control I spoke of confused you?

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[quote=briansd1][quote=Djshakes]The government sought to control 1/6 of the economy through healthcare and they have succeeded. [/quote]

Djshakes, the Obama health care plan is virtually the same as the Republican 1993 proposal. I hope that your non-partisan self can see that.

Obama Health Proposal = 1993 Republican Proposal

Posted on: March 1, 2010 9:23 AM, by Ed Brayton

Kaiser Health News points out something quite interesting. The health care reform proposal that President Obama just put out is remarkably similar to the Republican alternative to Clinton’s health care reform bill from 1993. That 1993 bill was sponsored by Sen. John Chafee (R-Rhode Island) and had 19 Republican co-sponsors in the Senate and two Democratic co-sponsors and was the primary alternative offered by the Republicans to Clinton’s bill.

Check out the chart of similarities between the Chafee bill and the Obama bill. Apparently the Republicans in 1993 were a bunch of socialists bent on making reparations and rebuilding the Third Reich, complete with death panels and murdering Sarah Palin’s baby.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/03/obama_health_proposal_1993_rep.php

More on Republican opposition to Health Care Reform:
http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/john-farrell/2010/3/19/why-republicans-fear-obamas-healthcare-reform_print.html%5B/quote%5D

My non-partisan self can see that. That is why I opposed it when they proposed it. What part of government (not just democrat)control I spoke of confused you?

[Djshakes]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Djshakes]The government sought to control 1/6 of the economy through healthcare and they have succeeded. [/quote]

Djshakes, the Obama health care plan is virtually the same as the Republican 1993 proposal. I hope that your non-partisan self can see that.

Obama Health Proposal = 1993 Republican Proposal

Posted on: March 1, 2010 9:23 AM, by Ed Brayton

Kaiser Health News points out something quite interesting. The health care reform proposal that President Obama just put out is remarkably similar to the Republican alternative to Clinton’s health care reform bill from 1993. That 1993 bill was sponsored by Sen. John Chafee (R-Rhode Island) and had 19 Republican co-sponsors in the Senate and two Democratic co-sponsors and was the primary alternative offered by the Republicans to Clinton’s bill.

Check out the chart of similarities between the Chafee bill and the Obama bill. Apparently the Republicans in 1993 were a bunch of socialists bent on making reparations and rebuilding the Third Reich, complete with death panels and murdering Sarah Palin’s baby.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/03/obama_health_proposal_1993_rep.php

More on Republican opposition to Health Care Reform:
http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/john-farrell/2010/3/19/why-republicans-fear-obamas-healthcare-reform_print.html%5B/quote%5D

My non-partisan self can see that. That is why I opposed it when they proposed it. What part of government (not just democrat)control I spoke of confused you?

[Djshakes]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Djshakes]The government sought to control 1/6 of the economy through healthcare and they have succeeded. [/quote]

Djshakes, the Obama health care plan is virtually the same as the Republican 1993 proposal. I hope that your non-partisan self can see that.

Obama Health Proposal = 1993 Republican Proposal

Posted on: March 1, 2010 9:23 AM, by Ed Brayton

Kaiser Health News points out something quite interesting. The health care reform proposal that President Obama just put out is remarkably similar to the Republican alternative to Clinton’s health care reform bill from 1993. That 1993 bill was sponsored by Sen. John Chafee (R-Rhode Island) and had 19 Republican co-sponsors in the Senate and two Democratic co-sponsors and was the primary alternative offered by the Republicans to Clinton’s bill.

Check out the chart of similarities between the Chafee bill and the Obama bill. Apparently the Republicans in 1993 were a bunch of socialists bent on making reparations and rebuilding the Third Reich, complete with death panels and murdering Sarah Palin’s baby.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/03/obama_health_proposal_1993_rep.php

More on Republican opposition to Health Care Reform:
http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/john-farrell/2010/3/19/why-republicans-fear-obamas-healthcare-reform_print.html%5B/quote%5D

My non-partisan self can see that. That is why I opposed it when they proposed it. What part of government (not just democrat)control I spoke of confused you?

[Djshakes]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Djshakes]The government sought to control 1/6 of the economy through healthcare and they have succeeded. [/quote]

Djshakes, the Obama health care plan is virtually the same as the Republican 1993 proposal. I hope that your non-partisan self can see that.

Obama Health Proposal = 1993 Republican Proposal

Posted on: March 1, 2010 9:23 AM, by Ed Brayton

Kaiser Health News points out something quite interesting. The health care reform proposal that President Obama just put out is remarkably similar to the Republican alternative to Clinton’s health care reform bill from 1993. That 1993 bill was sponsored by Sen. John Chafee (R-Rhode Island) and had 19 Republican co-sponsors in the Senate and two Democratic co-sponsors and was the primary alternative offered by the Republicans to Clinton’s bill.

Check out the chart of similarities between the Chafee bill and the Obama bill. Apparently the Republicans in 1993 were a bunch of socialists bent on making reparations and rebuilding the Third Reich, complete with death panels and murdering Sarah Palin’s baby.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/03/obama_health_proposal_1993_rep.php

More on Republican opposition to Health Care Reform:
http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/john-farrell/2010/3/19/why-republicans-fear-obamas-healthcare-reform_print.html%5B/quote%5D

My non-partisan self can see that. That is why I opposed it when they proposed it. What part of government (not just democrat)control I spoke of confused you?

[Djshakes]

[quote=Shadowfax]
Heathcare reform was a wash, IMHO. But the bailout policy under O has given me pause over whether he is really pursuing the country’s goals or whether he is just selling out like the rest of them to the highest bidder.

ok, rant off.[/quote]

Healthcare was not a wash IMO. The government sought to control 1/6 of the economy through healthcare and they have succeeded. I am an analyst for a major healthcare provider in SD. What I thought was republican rhetoric to block healthcare during the legislation is in some ways becoming true. We have restructured our entire management model and are seeking anyway to cut costs/services in short of layoffs (I’m sure will come eventually) to make up for the cuts in reimbursement. Any open positions (100s) unfilled as of this week Monday were pulled from the system. We are on a complete hiring freeze. All this while dozens of private practices around the county wish to close up shop and join our medical group because we can negotiate a better reimbursement rate based on our size.

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[quote=Shadowfax]
Heathcare reform was a wash, IMHO. But the bailout policy under O has given me pause over whether he is really pursuing the country’s goals or whether he is just selling out like the rest of them to the highest bidder.

ok, rant off.[/quote]

Healthcare was not a wash IMO. The government sought to control 1/6 of the economy through healthcare and they have succeeded. I am an analyst for a major healthcare provider in SD. What I thought was republican rhetoric to block healthcare during the legislation is in some ways becoming true. We have restructured our entire management model and are seeking anyway to cut costs/services in short of layoffs (I’m sure will come eventually) to make up for the cuts in reimbursement. Any open positions (100s) unfilled as of this week Monday were pulled from the system. We are on a complete hiring freeze. All this while dozens of private practices around the county wish to close up shop and join our medical group because we can negotiate a better reimbursement rate based on our size.

[Djshakes]

[quote=Shadowfax]
Heathcare reform was a wash, IMHO. But the bailout policy under O has given me pause over whether he is really pursuing the country’s goals or whether he is just selling out like the rest of them to the highest bidder.

ok, rant off.[/quote]

Healthcare was not a wash IMO. The government sought to control 1/6 of the economy through healthcare and they have succeeded. I am an analyst for a major healthcare provider in SD. What I thought was republican rhetoric to block healthcare during the legislation is in some ways becoming true. We have restructured our entire management model and are seeking anyway to cut costs/services in short of layoffs (I’m sure will come eventually) to make up for the cuts in reimbursement. Any open positions (100s) unfilled as of this week Monday were pulled from the system. We are on a complete hiring freeze. All this while dozens of private practices around the county wish to close up shop and join our medical group because we can negotiate a better reimbursement rate based on our size.

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