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[quote=CA renter][quote=sdrealtor]
With “socialist” healthcare systems, the goal is health; in a “capitalist” system, the goal is higher profits — even if those profits come at the expense of people’s health.[/quote]

Saying “Capitalist” healthcare is only concerned about profits is similar to an anti “socialist” mentality of saying socialist models are only concerned about death beds and providing care to people who can contribute to the system through working. It is a blanket statement. I work for a large health care provider and never once have we sat around at executive meetings discussing ways to ream it to the patient through upselling and unnecessary care. If word got out patients would go one of the many other competitive providers.

I know you guys hate the capitalist system but we do actually care about our patients despite what you may think.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=sdrealtor]
With “socialist” healthcare systems, the goal is health; in a “capitalist” system, the goal is higher profits — even if those profits come at the expense of people’s health.[/quote]

Saying “Capitalist” healthcare is only concerned about profits is similar to an anti “socialist” mentality of saying socialist models are only concerned about death beds and providing care to people who can contribute to the system through working. It is a blanket statement. I work for a large health care provider and never once have we sat around at executive meetings discussing ways to ream it to the patient through upselling and unnecessary care. If word got out patients would go one of the many other competitive providers.

I know you guys hate the capitalist system but we do actually care about our patients despite what you may think.

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[quote=Arraya][quote=CA renter][quote=Aecetia]Consumer behavior and what might happen if the banks fail and there are food shortages:

http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=70855F9DA9551CA4C8E996A41160FCC7%5B/quote%5D

Which is exactly why “socialist” programs exist in all developed nations — to save the wealthy from these sociopathic freaks. Welfare programs are designed for the benefit of the rich, not the poor.[/quote]

No, police are for the wealthy. Many developed nations left movements did a lot of work for different social programs. Compared to the rest of the developed world the US social safety nets and programs are at the bottom of the list, precisely because of wealthy people. Which is also part of the reason why that video is strictly and american phenomena- because Americans are conditioned to be hyper-competitive. I would admit, though, Americans are more likely to go crazy in a JIT disruption because that is how they are bread.

In every other modern post industrial economy you would have attended college for free as long as you chose to, and been given free healthcare and a stipend to live on while you did it.

Clawing down basic things like an education in such a competitive, reptilian environment makes people hard. And that’s what the empire wants, hardassed people in the degreed classes managing the dumbed down, over-fed proles whose mental activity consists of plugging their brains into their television sets so they can absorb the message to buy more, and absorb themselves in the bread and circus spectacles provided them through profitable media corporations operating mainly as extensions of the capitalist state’s propaganda system, such as “buy this,” or “you have it better than anyone in the world,” (not at all true).

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/11/americathe-grim-truth.html

Americans, I have some bad news for you:

You have the worst quality of life in the developed world—by a wide margin.

If you had any idea of how people really lived in Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and many parts of Asia, you’d be rioting in the streets calling for a better life. In fact, the average Australian or Singaporean taxi driver has a much better standard of living than the typical American white-collar worker.

I know this because I am an American, and I escaped from the prison you call home.

I have lived all around the world, in wealthy countries and poor ones, and there is only one country I would never consider living in again: The United States of America. The mere thought of it fills me with dread.

Consider this: you are the only people in the developed world without a single-payer health system. Everyone in Western Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, Singapore and New Zealand has a single-payer system. If they get sick, they can devote all their energies to getting well. If you get sick, you have to battle two things at once: your illness and the fear of financial ruin. Millions of Americans go bankrupt every year due to medical bills, and tens of thousands die each year because they have no insurance or insufficient insurance. And don’t believe for a second that rot about America having the world’s best medical care or the shortest waiting lists: I’ve been to hospitals in Australia, New Zealand, Europe, Singapore, and Thailand, and every one was better than the “good” hospital I used to go to back home. The waits were shorter, the facilities more comfortable, and the doctors just as good.

This is ironic, because you need a good health system more than anyone else in the world. Why? Because your lifestyle is almost designed to make you sick.

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Is that why so many people from Canada come to the US for healthcare?

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[quote=Arraya][quote=CA renter][quote=Aecetia]Consumer behavior and what might happen if the banks fail and there are food shortages:

http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=70855F9DA9551CA4C8E996A41160FCC7%5B/quote%5D

Which is exactly why “socialist” programs exist in all developed nations — to save the wealthy from these sociopathic freaks. Welfare programs are designed for the benefit of the rich, not the poor.[/quote]

No, police are for the wealthy. Many developed nations left movements did a lot of work for different social programs. Compared to the rest of the developed world the US social safety nets and programs are at the bottom of the list, precisely because of wealthy people. Which is also part of the reason why that video is strictly and american phenomena- because Americans are conditioned to be hyper-competitive. I would admit, though, Americans are more likely to go crazy in a JIT disruption because that is how they are bread.

In every other modern post industrial economy you would have attended college for free as long as you chose to, and been given free healthcare and a stipend to live on while you did it.

Clawing down basic things like an education in such a competitive, reptilian environment makes people hard. And that’s what the empire wants, hardassed people in the degreed classes managing the dumbed down, over-fed proles whose mental activity consists of plugging their brains into their television sets so they can absorb the message to buy more, and absorb themselves in the bread and circus spectacles provided them through profitable media corporations operating mainly as extensions of the capitalist state’s propaganda system, such as “buy this,” or “you have it better than anyone in the world,” (not at all true).

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/11/americathe-grim-truth.html

Americans, I have some bad news for you:

You have the worst quality of life in the developed world—by a wide margin.

If you had any idea of how people really lived in Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and many parts of Asia, you’d be rioting in the streets calling for a better life. In fact, the average Australian or Singaporean taxi driver has a much better standard of living than the typical American white-collar worker.

I know this because I am an American, and I escaped from the prison you call home.

I have lived all around the world, in wealthy countries and poor ones, and there is only one country I would never consider living in again: The United States of America. The mere thought of it fills me with dread.

Consider this: you are the only people in the developed world without a single-payer health system. Everyone in Western Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, Singapore and New Zealand has a single-payer system. If they get sick, they can devote all their energies to getting well. If you get sick, you have to battle two things at once: your illness and the fear of financial ruin. Millions of Americans go bankrupt every year due to medical bills, and tens of thousands die each year because they have no insurance or insufficient insurance. And don’t believe for a second that rot about America having the world’s best medical care or the shortest waiting lists: I’ve been to hospitals in Australia, New Zealand, Europe, Singapore, and Thailand, and every one was better than the “good” hospital I used to go to back home. The waits were shorter, the facilities more comfortable, and the doctors just as good.

This is ironic, because you need a good health system more than anyone else in the world. Why? Because your lifestyle is almost designed to make you sick.

[/quote]

Is that why so many people from Canada come to the US for healthcare?

[Djshakes]

[quote=Arraya][quote=CA renter][quote=Aecetia]Consumer behavior and what might happen if the banks fail and there are food shortages:

http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=70855F9DA9551CA4C8E996A41160FCC7%5B/quote%5D

Which is exactly why “socialist” programs exist in all developed nations — to save the wealthy from these sociopathic freaks. Welfare programs are designed for the benefit of the rich, not the poor.[/quote]

No, police are for the wealthy. Many developed nations left movements did a lot of work for different social programs. Compared to the rest of the developed world the US social safety nets and programs are at the bottom of the list, precisely because of wealthy people. Which is also part of the reason why that video is strictly and american phenomena- because Americans are conditioned to be hyper-competitive. I would admit, though, Americans are more likely to go crazy in a JIT disruption because that is how they are bread.

In every other modern post industrial economy you would have attended college for free as long as you chose to, and been given free healthcare and a stipend to live on while you did it.

Clawing down basic things like an education in such a competitive, reptilian environment makes people hard. And that’s what the empire wants, hardassed people in the degreed classes managing the dumbed down, over-fed proles whose mental activity consists of plugging their brains into their television sets so they can absorb the message to buy more, and absorb themselves in the bread and circus spectacles provided them through profitable media corporations operating mainly as extensions of the capitalist state’s propaganda system, such as “buy this,” or “you have it better than anyone in the world,” (not at all true).

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/11/americathe-grim-truth.html

Americans, I have some bad news for you:

You have the worst quality of life in the developed world—by a wide margin.

If you had any idea of how people really lived in Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and many parts of Asia, you’d be rioting in the streets calling for a better life. In fact, the average Australian or Singaporean taxi driver has a much better standard of living than the typical American white-collar worker.

I know this because I am an American, and I escaped from the prison you call home.

I have lived all around the world, in wealthy countries and poor ones, and there is only one country I would never consider living in again: The United States of America. The mere thought of it fills me with dread.

Consider this: you are the only people in the developed world without a single-payer health system. Everyone in Western Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, Singapore and New Zealand has a single-payer system. If they get sick, they can devote all their energies to getting well. If you get sick, you have to battle two things at once: your illness and the fear of financial ruin. Millions of Americans go bankrupt every year due to medical bills, and tens of thousands die each year because they have no insurance or insufficient insurance. And don’t believe for a second that rot about America having the world’s best medical care or the shortest waiting lists: I’ve been to hospitals in Australia, New Zealand, Europe, Singapore, and Thailand, and every one was better than the “good” hospital I used to go to back home. The waits were shorter, the facilities more comfortable, and the doctors just as good.

This is ironic, because you need a good health system more than anyone else in the world. Why? Because your lifestyle is almost designed to make you sick.

[/quote]

Is that why so many people from Canada come to the US for healthcare?

[Djshakes]

[quote=Arraya][quote=CA renter][quote=Aecetia]Consumer behavior and what might happen if the banks fail and there are food shortages:

http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=70855F9DA9551CA4C8E996A41160FCC7%5B/quote%5D

Which is exactly why “socialist” programs exist in all developed nations — to save the wealthy from these sociopathic freaks. Welfare programs are designed for the benefit of the rich, not the poor.[/quote]

No, police are for the wealthy. Many developed nations left movements did a lot of work for different social programs. Compared to the rest of the developed world the US social safety nets and programs are at the bottom of the list, precisely because of wealthy people. Which is also part of the reason why that video is strictly and american phenomena- because Americans are conditioned to be hyper-competitive. I would admit, though, Americans are more likely to go crazy in a JIT disruption because that is how they are bread.

In every other modern post industrial economy you would have attended college for free as long as you chose to, and been given free healthcare and a stipend to live on while you did it.

Clawing down basic things like an education in such a competitive, reptilian environment makes people hard. And that’s what the empire wants, hardassed people in the degreed classes managing the dumbed down, over-fed proles whose mental activity consists of plugging their brains into their television sets so they can absorb the message to buy more, and absorb themselves in the bread and circus spectacles provided them through profitable media corporations operating mainly as extensions of the capitalist state’s propaganda system, such as “buy this,” or “you have it better than anyone in the world,” (not at all true).

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/11/americathe-grim-truth.html

Americans, I have some bad news for you:

You have the worst quality of life in the developed world—by a wide margin.

If you had any idea of how people really lived in Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and many parts of Asia, you’d be rioting in the streets calling for a better life. In fact, the average Australian or Singaporean taxi driver has a much better standard of living than the typical American white-collar worker.

I know this because I am an American, and I escaped from the prison you call home.

I have lived all around the world, in wealthy countries and poor ones, and there is only one country I would never consider living in again: The United States of America. The mere thought of it fills me with dread.

Consider this: you are the only people in the developed world without a single-payer health system. Everyone in Western Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, Singapore and New Zealand has a single-payer system. If they get sick, they can devote all their energies to getting well. If you get sick, you have to battle two things at once: your illness and the fear of financial ruin. Millions of Americans go bankrupt every year due to medical bills, and tens of thousands die each year because they have no insurance or insufficient insurance. And don’t believe for a second that rot about America having the world’s best medical care or the shortest waiting lists: I’ve been to hospitals in Australia, New Zealand, Europe, Singapore, and Thailand, and every one was better than the “good” hospital I used to go to back home. The waits were shorter, the facilities more comfortable, and the doctors just as good.

This is ironic, because you need a good health system more than anyone else in the world. Why? Because your lifestyle is almost designed to make you sick.

[/quote]

Is that why so many people from Canada come to the US for healthcare?

[Djshakes]

[quote=Arraya][quote=CA renter][quote=Aecetia]Consumer behavior and what might happen if the banks fail and there are food shortages:

http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=70855F9DA9551CA4C8E996A41160FCC7%5B/quote%5D

Which is exactly why “socialist” programs exist in all developed nations — to save the wealthy from these sociopathic freaks. Welfare programs are designed for the benefit of the rich, not the poor.[/quote]

No, police are for the wealthy. Many developed nations left movements did a lot of work for different social programs. Compared to the rest of the developed world the US social safety nets and programs are at the bottom of the list, precisely because of wealthy people. Which is also part of the reason why that video is strictly and american phenomena- because Americans are conditioned to be hyper-competitive. I would admit, though, Americans are more likely to go crazy in a JIT disruption because that is how they are bread.

In every other modern post industrial economy you would have attended college for free as long as you chose to, and been given free healthcare and a stipend to live on while you did it.

Clawing down basic things like an education in such a competitive, reptilian environment makes people hard. And that’s what the empire wants, hardassed people in the degreed classes managing the dumbed down, over-fed proles whose mental activity consists of plugging their brains into their television sets so they can absorb the message to buy more, and absorb themselves in the bread and circus spectacles provided them through profitable media corporations operating mainly as extensions of the capitalist state’s propaganda system, such as “buy this,” or “you have it better than anyone in the world,” (not at all true).

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/11/americathe-grim-truth.html

Americans, I have some bad news for you:

You have the worst quality of life in the developed world—by a wide margin.

If you had any idea of how people really lived in Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and many parts of Asia, you’d be rioting in the streets calling for a better life. In fact, the average Australian or Singaporean taxi driver has a much better standard of living than the typical American white-collar worker.

I know this because I am an American, and I escaped from the prison you call home.

I have lived all around the world, in wealthy countries and poor ones, and there is only one country I would never consider living in again: The United States of America. The mere thought of it fills me with dread.

Consider this: you are the only people in the developed world without a single-payer health system. Everyone in Western Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, Singapore and New Zealand has a single-payer system. If they get sick, they can devote all their energies to getting well. If you get sick, you have to battle two things at once: your illness and the fear of financial ruin. Millions of Americans go bankrupt every year due to medical bills, and tens of thousands die each year because they have no insurance or insufficient insurance. And don’t believe for a second that rot about America having the world’s best medical care or the shortest waiting lists: I’ve been to hospitals in Australia, New Zealand, Europe, Singapore, and Thailand, and every one was better than the “good” hospital I used to go to back home. The waits were shorter, the facilities more comfortable, and the doctors just as good.

This is ironic, because you need a good health system more than anyone else in the world. Why? Because your lifestyle is almost designed to make you sick.

[/quote]

Is that why so many people from Canada come to the US for healthcare?

[Djshakes]

They won’t dump him because who knows if they will even be in SD in after next year. If they move to LA the new owners may want to start on a clean slate and not deal with new existing contracts. I don’t know how long his contract is for but this is what I have heard people mention on the street. How credible it is, I have no clue nor do I care. Go GB!

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They won’t dump him because who knows if they will even be in SD in after next year. If they move to LA the new owners may want to start on a clean slate and not deal with new existing contracts. I don’t know how long his contract is for but this is what I have heard people mention on the street. How credible it is, I have no clue nor do I care. Go GB!

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They won’t dump him because who knows if they will even be in SD in after next year. If they move to LA the new owners may want to start on a clean slate and not deal with new existing contracts. I don’t know how long his contract is for but this is what I have heard people mention on the street. How credible it is, I have no clue nor do I care. Go GB!

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They won’t dump him because who knows if they will even be in SD in after next year. If they move to LA the new owners may want to start on a clean slate and not deal with new existing contracts. I don’t know how long his contract is for but this is what I have heard people mention on the street. How credible it is, I have no clue nor do I care. Go GB!

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They won’t dump him because who knows if they will even be in SD in after next year. If they move to LA the new owners may want to start on a clean slate and not deal with new existing contracts. I don’t know how long his contract is for but this is what I have heard people mention on the street. How credible it is, I have no clue nor do I care. Go GB!

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Often your arguments revolve around the greed of these big bad corporations, bankers, business owners, etc. Greed is simply pursuing one’s self interest. Under this definition, most people are greedy because we all pursue our self interests as opposed to the interests of some stranger. I think it is fair to say that “greed” is a constant. Man will always and has pursued his self interests. Because it is a constant it can’t be a cause. You can’t explain why something changed (economic crisis) by pointing to something that hasn’t (greedy bankers). You need to point to something that changed, like the CRA which compelled banks to make bad loans, etc. I’m not saying this is the cause of the financial crisis, but merely a part of it. However, greed, which you progressives love to spew, is not. If it were, there would be no boom times as there is always greed. “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest.”

You mention that the government works for the business owners like it is a bad thing. As a big government person, you fail to realize that this country was founded on limited government. The citizens were believed to have inalienable rights, in which they borrowed some of these rights to the government, like defending the borders, so they could pursue happiness. It was never intended for the government to over reach, which it has now done in many areas in my opinion. So yes, the government works for business owners who are citizens of this country. I know you progressives would rather have the citizens working for the government but unfortunately and thankfully that isn’t the case.

I’m not an anti-government person. It has its purpose. People often argue from both ends of the spectrum when a common ground needs to be reached.

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Often your arguments revolve around the greed of these big bad corporations, bankers, business owners, etc. Greed is simply pursuing one’s self interest. Under this definition, most people are greedy because we all pursue our self interests as opposed to the interests of some stranger. I think it is fair to say that “greed” is a constant. Man will always and has pursued his self interests. Because it is a constant it can’t be a cause. You can’t explain why something changed (economic crisis) by pointing to something that hasn’t (greedy bankers). You need to point to something that changed, like the CRA which compelled banks to make bad loans, etc. I’m not saying this is the cause of the financial crisis, but merely a part of it. However, greed, which you progressives love to spew, is not. If it were, there would be no boom times as there is always greed. “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest.”

You mention that the government works for the business owners like it is a bad thing. As a big government person, you fail to realize that this country was founded on limited government. The citizens were believed to have inalienable rights, in which they borrowed some of these rights to the government, like defending the borders, so they could pursue happiness. It was never intended for the government to over reach, which it has now done in many areas in my opinion. So yes, the government works for business owners who are citizens of this country. I know you progressives would rather have the citizens working for the government but unfortunately and thankfully that isn’t the case.

I’m not an anti-government person. It has its purpose. People often argue from both ends of the spectrum when a common ground needs to be reached.

[Djshakes]

Often your arguments revolve around the greed of these big bad corporations, bankers, business owners, etc. Greed is simply pursuing one’s self interest. Under this definition, most people are greedy because we all pursue our self interests as opposed to the interests of some stranger. I think it is fair to say that “greed” is a constant. Man will always and has pursued his self interests. Because it is a constant it can’t be a cause. You can’t explain why something changed (economic crisis) by pointing to something that hasn’t (greedy bankers). You need to point to something that changed, like the CRA which compelled banks to make bad loans, etc. I’m not saying this is the cause of the financial crisis, but merely a part of it. However, greed, which you progressives love to spew, is not. If it were, there would be no boom times as there is always greed. “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest.”

You mention that the government works for the business owners like it is a bad thing. As a big government person, you fail to realize that this country was founded on limited government. The citizens were believed to have inalienable rights, in which they borrowed some of these rights to the government, like defending the borders, so they could pursue happiness. It was never intended for the government to over reach, which it has now done in many areas in my opinion. So yes, the government works for business owners who are citizens of this country. I know you progressives would rather have the citizens working for the government but unfortunately and thankfully that isn’t the case.

I’m not an anti-government person. It has its purpose. People often argue from both ends of the spectrum when a common ground needs to be reached.

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