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The story made for interesting reading and a colorful story but I still can’t get over how they were painted as victims by the big bad bank. Granted, a percentage of fault can be blamed on predatory lending but WTH happened to personal responsibility. I have no sympathy for people that can’t do simple math and realize what kind of predicament they are going to be in if the house doesn’t keep escalating with the bubble. I mean, you read what the guy said, “I’ll buy you a Lamborghini….” Doesn’t sound like them most financial savvy person. A lot of these people knew it was probably too good to be true when signing the docs and did it because everyone else was…like they mentioned in the article. Now they cry foul when shite hit the fan. You can’t have your cake and eat it. I’m no fan of banks…however, if you are that stupid to follow the rest off the cliff, I can’t have sympathy.

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The story made for interesting reading and a colorful story but I still can’t get over how they were painted as victims by the big bad bank. Granted, a percentage of fault can be blamed on predatory lending but WTH happened to personal responsibility. I have no sympathy for people that can’t do simple math and realize what kind of predicament they are going to be in if the house doesn’t keep escalating with the bubble. I mean, you read what the guy said, “I’ll buy you a Lamborghini….” Doesn’t sound like them most financial savvy person. A lot of these people knew it was probably too good to be true when signing the docs and did it because everyone else was…like they mentioned in the article. Now they cry foul when shite hit the fan. You can’t have your cake and eat it. I’m no fan of banks…however, if you are that stupid to follow the rest off the cliff, I can’t have sympathy.

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I specifically recall the GOP offering solutions such as:

1. Lowering premiums
2. Establishing universal access programs for those with pre-existing conditions.
3. Allowing insurance to be purchased over state lines.
4. HSAa
5. Junk lawsuits
…and I am sure there were more.

What is the difference arguing over spilled milk. We all know the healthcare legislation is only going to add to the debt which this thread is about.

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I specifically recall the GOP offering solutions such as:

1. Lowering premiums
2. Establishing universal access programs for those with pre-existing conditions.
3. Allowing insurance to be purchased over state lines.
4. HSAa
5. Junk lawsuits
…and I am sure there were more.

What is the difference arguing over spilled milk. We all know the healthcare legislation is only going to add to the debt which this thread is about.

[Djshakes]

I specifically recall the GOP offering solutions such as:

1. Lowering premiums
2. Establishing universal access programs for those with pre-existing conditions.
3. Allowing insurance to be purchased over state lines.
4. HSAa
5. Junk lawsuits
…and I am sure there were more.

What is the difference arguing over spilled milk. We all know the healthcare legislation is only going to add to the debt which this thread is about.

[Djshakes]

I specifically recall the GOP offering solutions such as:

1. Lowering premiums
2. Establishing universal access programs for those with pre-existing conditions.
3. Allowing insurance to be purchased over state lines.
4. HSAa
5. Junk lawsuits
…and I am sure there were more.

What is the difference arguing over spilled milk. We all know the healthcare legislation is only going to add to the debt which this thread is about.

[Djshakes]

I specifically recall the GOP offering solutions such as:

1. Lowering premiums
2. Establishing universal access programs for those with pre-existing conditions.
3. Allowing insurance to be purchased over state lines.
4. HSAa
5. Junk lawsuits
…and I am sure there were more.

What is the difference arguing over spilled milk. We all know the healthcare legislation is only going to add to the debt which this thread is about.

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[quote=pri_dk]
You are suggesting that 2000+ pages of text just materialized out of thin air two days before the vote. Now THAT is hyperbole.

But you believe it happened that way because your Fox news masters have repeated it over and over: “there was no time to for discussion!”, “who can read all that?”, “OMG socialism and death panels!”

(how many staffers does a typical Senator have, anyway…how many pages per staffer…is it really that hard?)

Basic common sense allows anyone to reason away the claim that it was “rammed down our throats.”

But we don’t use common sense. Our media masters do the thinking for us.

Obey. Obey. Obey.[/quote]

No, he might be suggesting that several changes could have been made to the various BILLS the night before during the crunch session and time was needed to identify the changes. Are you denying that there was tons of pork in that bill not healthcare related in order to win last minute votes from the people holding out? These need to be identified.

Keep getting your talking points from huffington post and the likes. OBEY. CONFORM. FALL IN LINE.

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[quote=pri_dk]
You are suggesting that 2000+ pages of text just materialized out of thin air two days before the vote. Now THAT is hyperbole.

But you believe it happened that way because your Fox news masters have repeated it over and over: “there was no time to for discussion!”, “who can read all that?”, “OMG socialism and death panels!”

(how many staffers does a typical Senator have, anyway…how many pages per staffer…is it really that hard?)

Basic common sense allows anyone to reason away the claim that it was “rammed down our throats.”

But we don’t use common sense. Our media masters do the thinking for us.

Obey. Obey. Obey.[/quote]

No, he might be suggesting that several changes could have been made to the various BILLS the night before during the crunch session and time was needed to identify the changes. Are you denying that there was tons of pork in that bill not healthcare related in order to win last minute votes from the people holding out? These need to be identified.

Keep getting your talking points from huffington post and the likes. OBEY. CONFORM. FALL IN LINE.

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[quote=pri_dk]
You are suggesting that 2000+ pages of text just materialized out of thin air two days before the vote. Now THAT is hyperbole.

But you believe it happened that way because your Fox news masters have repeated it over and over: “there was no time to for discussion!”, “who can read all that?”, “OMG socialism and death panels!”

(how many staffers does a typical Senator have, anyway…how many pages per staffer…is it really that hard?)

Basic common sense allows anyone to reason away the claim that it was “rammed down our throats.”

But we don’t use common sense. Our media masters do the thinking for us.

Obey. Obey. Obey.[/quote]

No, he might be suggesting that several changes could have been made to the various BILLS the night before during the crunch session and time was needed to identify the changes. Are you denying that there was tons of pork in that bill not healthcare related in order to win last minute votes from the people holding out? These need to be identified.

Keep getting your talking points from huffington post and the likes. OBEY. CONFORM. FALL IN LINE.

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk]
You are suggesting that 2000+ pages of text just materialized out of thin air two days before the vote. Now THAT is hyperbole.

But you believe it happened that way because your Fox news masters have repeated it over and over: “there was no time to for discussion!”, “who can read all that?”, “OMG socialism and death panels!”

(how many staffers does a typical Senator have, anyway…how many pages per staffer…is it really that hard?)

Basic common sense allows anyone to reason away the claim that it was “rammed down our throats.”

But we don’t use common sense. Our media masters do the thinking for us.

Obey. Obey. Obey.[/quote]

No, he might be suggesting that several changes could have been made to the various BILLS the night before during the crunch session and time was needed to identify the changes. Are you denying that there was tons of pork in that bill not healthcare related in order to win last minute votes from the people holding out? These need to be identified.

Keep getting your talking points from huffington post and the likes. OBEY. CONFORM. FALL IN LINE.

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk]
You are suggesting that 2000+ pages of text just materialized out of thin air two days before the vote. Now THAT is hyperbole.

But you believe it happened that way because your Fox news masters have repeated it over and over: “there was no time to for discussion!”, “who can read all that?”, “OMG socialism and death panels!”

(how many staffers does a typical Senator have, anyway…how many pages per staffer…is it really that hard?)

Basic common sense allows anyone to reason away the claim that it was “rammed down our throats.”

But we don’t use common sense. Our media masters do the thinking for us.

Obey. Obey. Obey.[/quote]

No, he might be suggesting that several changes could have been made to the various BILLS the night before during the crunch session and time was needed to identify the changes. Are you denying that there was tons of pork in that bill not healthcare related in order to win last minute votes from the people holding out? These need to be identified.

Keep getting your talking points from huffington post and the likes. OBEY. CONFORM. FALL IN LINE.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=UCGal][quote=SK in CV]
the commission never issued a report.[/quote]

Huh?

http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/

This is the commissions website. You can see the report linked on the front page. It was issued and ignored.

I linked to the report in my previous post. It came from the commission, issued on Dec 1, 2010. It came after the co-chairs recommendation, which came in November 2010.

I’ll admit, I read more of the co-chairs recommendations, and that’s what I was thinking of when I said in the previous post that I thought the recommendations were good, albeit painful.

But a quick scan of the full commissions recommendations show it’s similar to the co-chairs list.[/quote]

Maybe I was just being too technical. Besides the issuance of the report coming after the commission expired, the report failed to get sufficient votes from commission members to approve the report. Which is why it disappeared so quickly, no formal recommendation was made to congress.[/quote]

I have just finished up to about page 20 and everything so far made sense on both sides of the aisle. Figures it got buried because when does government do anything that makes sense. It is sad because I could see politicians picking it apart on each side of the aisle because of party lines or special interest commitments, all while not getting anything done as the debt increases. Our politics will kill us in this country as neither side is going to give.

I don’t understand the vote regarding the commission members. They complied the report together but not all of them voted on it? The specifically word it in regards to being bi-partisan yet it was partisan in approval?

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=UCGal][quote=SK in CV]
the commission never issued a report.[/quote]

Huh?

http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/

This is the commissions website. You can see the report linked on the front page. It was issued and ignored.

I linked to the report in my previous post. It came from the commission, issued on Dec 1, 2010. It came after the co-chairs recommendation, which came in November 2010.

I’ll admit, I read more of the co-chairs recommendations, and that’s what I was thinking of when I said in the previous post that I thought the recommendations were good, albeit painful.

But a quick scan of the full commissions recommendations show it’s similar to the co-chairs list.[/quote]

Maybe I was just being too technical. Besides the issuance of the report coming after the commission expired, the report failed to get sufficient votes from commission members to approve the report. Which is why it disappeared so quickly, no formal recommendation was made to congress.[/quote]

I have just finished up to about page 20 and everything so far made sense on both sides of the aisle. Figures it got buried because when does government do anything that makes sense. It is sad because I could see politicians picking it apart on each side of the aisle because of party lines or special interest commitments, all while not getting anything done as the debt increases. Our politics will kill us in this country as neither side is going to give.

I don’t understand the vote regarding the commission members. They complied the report together but not all of them voted on it? The specifically word it in regards to being bi-partisan yet it was partisan in approval?

[Djshakes]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=UCGal][quote=SK in CV]
the commission never issued a report.[/quote]

Huh?

http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/

This is the commissions website. You can see the report linked on the front page. It was issued and ignored.

I linked to the report in my previous post. It came from the commission, issued on Dec 1, 2010. It came after the co-chairs recommendation, which came in November 2010.

I’ll admit, I read more of the co-chairs recommendations, and that’s what I was thinking of when I said in the previous post that I thought the recommendations were good, albeit painful.

But a quick scan of the full commissions recommendations show it’s similar to the co-chairs list.[/quote]

Maybe I was just being too technical. Besides the issuance of the report coming after the commission expired, the report failed to get sufficient votes from commission members to approve the report. Which is why it disappeared so quickly, no formal recommendation was made to congress.[/quote]

I have just finished up to about page 20 and everything so far made sense on both sides of the aisle. Figures it got buried because when does government do anything that makes sense. It is sad because I could see politicians picking it apart on each side of the aisle because of party lines or special interest commitments, all while not getting anything done as the debt increases. Our politics will kill us in this country as neither side is going to give.

I don’t understand the vote regarding the commission members. They complied the report together but not all of them voted on it? The specifically word it in regards to being bi-partisan yet it was partisan in approval?

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