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Participant[quote=Eugene]How about you point me to a $27 an hour cash job, or even a $20 an hour job? I know about a dozen people who would be very interested. My wife is currently unemployed and she’s having trouble finding anything. Job openings in 10-15/hour range sometimes draw a hundred applicants per opening.
You really need to look at it from the national perspective. California DOES have a problem with excessive prison spending, because it’s #1 in the country by spending per prisoner, separately in healthcare and non-healthcare categories. California DOES NOT have a problem with excessive K-12 spending, because it’s something like #43 in the country per K-12 student.[/quote]
Obviously the job market isn’t that great over the past two years. You can’t say that $20 an hour cash jobs were never available or won’t be in the future once the economy turns around. Look at it from a perspective of a normal market. It isn’t that hard. Bottom line, those three months can be used to make additional money which increases the yearly figure.
Participant[quote=pri_dk]
But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.[/quote]No…what won’t work is continuing on our current path. Get rid of tenured teachers, the unions and make compensation based on incentives and performance…not how long you have been in the system. The highest paid teachers are the ones closest to retirement and they are the ones teaching the most outdated material because they have no incentive for professional growth. They are coasting.
Participant[quote=pri_dk]
But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.[/quote]No…what won’t work is continuing on our current path. Get rid of tenured teachers, the unions and make compensation based on incentives and performance…not how long you have been in the system. The highest paid teachers are the ones closest to retirement and they are the ones teaching the most outdated material because they have no incentive for professional growth. They are coasting.
Participant[quote=pri_dk]
But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.[/quote]No…what won’t work is continuing on our current path. Get rid of tenured teachers, the unions and make compensation based on incentives and performance…not how long you have been in the system. The highest paid teachers are the ones closest to retirement and they are the ones teaching the most outdated material because they have no incentive for professional growth. They are coasting.
Participant[quote=pri_dk]
But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.[/quote]No…what won’t work is continuing on our current path. Get rid of tenured teachers, the unions and make compensation based on incentives and performance…not how long you have been in the system. The highest paid teachers are the ones closest to retirement and they are the ones teaching the most outdated material because they have no incentive for professional growth. They are coasting.
Participant[quote=pri_dk]
But one thing won’t work: Making teaching even less attractive as a profession.[/quote]No…what won’t work is continuing on our current path. Get rid of tenured teachers, the unions and make compensation based on incentives and performance…not how long you have been in the system. The highest paid teachers are the ones closest to retirement and they are the ones teaching the most outdated material because they have no incentive for professional growth. They are coasting.
ParticipantYou must have skipped my original post in which I said I was a teacher. Every summer I worked a second job. Early June through late August. Three months or a quarter of the year. A lot of the teachers did this. They painted houses, etc. Some for cash jobs, some W2 employees.
$86k/2080= $41.35 an hour.
$41.33 an hour is equivalent to roughly $27 an hour cash with a 35% reduction for all taxes.
So you are telling me it is impossible to find a $27 an hour cash job? Okay, so maybe they find a $20 an hour cash job and bring home an extra $9,600 for 12 weeks of work. That is a total of $65K + 9,600 = $75,000 a year + benefits and a pension. Lets factor all those in for a true salary.
Don’t give me sob stories that they underpaid. They are overpaid, under educated in soft degrees and have far too much security with little requirement to perform at a specified level.
ParticipantYou must have skipped my original post in which I said I was a teacher. Every summer I worked a second job. Early June through late August. Three months or a quarter of the year. A lot of the teachers did this. They painted houses, etc. Some for cash jobs, some W2 employees.
$86k/2080= $41.35 an hour.
$41.33 an hour is equivalent to roughly $27 an hour cash with a 35% reduction for all taxes.
So you are telling me it is impossible to find a $27 an hour cash job? Okay, so maybe they find a $20 an hour cash job and bring home an extra $9,600 for 12 weeks of work. That is a total of $65K + 9,600 = $75,000 a year + benefits and a pension. Lets factor all those in for a true salary.
Don’t give me sob stories that they underpaid. They are overpaid, under educated in soft degrees and have far too much security with little requirement to perform at a specified level.
ParticipantYou must have skipped my original post in which I said I was a teacher. Every summer I worked a second job. Early June through late August. Three months or a quarter of the year. A lot of the teachers did this. They painted houses, etc. Some for cash jobs, some W2 employees.
$86k/2080= $41.35 an hour.
$41.33 an hour is equivalent to roughly $27 an hour cash with a 35% reduction for all taxes.
So you are telling me it is impossible to find a $27 an hour cash job? Okay, so maybe they find a $20 an hour cash job and bring home an extra $9,600 for 12 weeks of work. That is a total of $65K + 9,600 = $75,000 a year + benefits and a pension. Lets factor all those in for a true salary.
Don’t give me sob stories that they underpaid. They are overpaid, under educated in soft degrees and have far too much security with little requirement to perform at a specified level.
ParticipantYou must have skipped my original post in which I said I was a teacher. Every summer I worked a second job. Early June through late August. Three months or a quarter of the year. A lot of the teachers did this. They painted houses, etc. Some for cash jobs, some W2 employees.
$86k/2080= $41.35 an hour.
$41.33 an hour is equivalent to roughly $27 an hour cash with a 35% reduction for all taxes.
So you are telling me it is impossible to find a $27 an hour cash job? Okay, so maybe they find a $20 an hour cash job and bring home an extra $9,600 for 12 weeks of work. That is a total of $65K + 9,600 = $75,000 a year + benefits and a pension. Lets factor all those in for a true salary.
Don’t give me sob stories that they underpaid. They are overpaid, under educated in soft degrees and have far too much security with little requirement to perform at a specified level.
ParticipantYou must have skipped my original post in which I said I was a teacher. Every summer I worked a second job. Early June through late August. Three months or a quarter of the year. A lot of the teachers did this. They painted houses, etc. Some for cash jobs, some W2 employees.
$86k/2080= $41.35 an hour.
$41.33 an hour is equivalent to roughly $27 an hour cash with a 35% reduction for all taxes.
So you are telling me it is impossible to find a $27 an hour cash job? Okay, so maybe they find a $20 an hour cash job and bring home an extra $9,600 for 12 weeks of work. That is a total of $65K + 9,600 = $75,000 a year + benefits and a pension. Lets factor all those in for a true salary.
Don’t give me sob stories that they underpaid. They are overpaid, under educated in soft degrees and have far too much security with little requirement to perform at a specified level.
Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=pri_dk]
How about source that just provides the *average* instead of selectively choosing the highest numbers to make an argument?What is the (unqualified) average teacher salary in the state of CA?
I have no doubt it’s way south of $86K.[/quote]
As of last year, $67,932.
In San Diego Unified, the average salary is $64,466, for a teacher with an average of 14.3 years of experience.
Still too much. They work 3/4’s of the year. So that equates to $86K….exactly what the previous poster suggested.
$64,466/.75 = $85,954
Looks like you proved his point.
Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=pri_dk]
How about source that just provides the *average* instead of selectively choosing the highest numbers to make an argument?What is the (unqualified) average teacher salary in the state of CA?
I have no doubt it’s way south of $86K.[/quote]
As of last year, $67,932.
In San Diego Unified, the average salary is $64,466, for a teacher with an average of 14.3 years of experience.
Still too much. They work 3/4’s of the year. So that equates to $86K….exactly what the previous poster suggested.
$64,466/.75 = $85,954
Looks like you proved his point.
Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=pri_dk]
How about source that just provides the *average* instead of selectively choosing the highest numbers to make an argument?What is the (unqualified) average teacher salary in the state of CA?
I have no doubt it’s way south of $86K.[/quote]
As of last year, $67,932.
In San Diego Unified, the average salary is $64,466, for a teacher with an average of 14.3 years of experience.
Still too much. They work 3/4’s of the year. So that equates to $86K….exactly what the previous poster suggested.
$64,466/.75 = $85,954
Looks like you proved his point.
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