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[quote=CA renter]
Additionally, the taxpayers pay for the majority of our medical research, either through the NIH or public universities or grants, etc. Why should the private industry reap the rewards from the research (especially the foundational R&D) that the taxpayers have paid for?[/quote]

While NIH is government funded, not many institutions have access to this money. A majority of research is paid for my pharma companies through clinical trials and philanthropic funds distributed through grants.

– Previous accountant for the research department of Scripps

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[quote=CA renter]
Additionally, the taxpayers pay for the majority of our medical research, either through the NIH or public universities or grants, etc. Why should the private industry reap the rewards from the research (especially the foundational R&D) that the taxpayers have paid for?[/quote]

While NIH is government funded, not many institutions have access to this money. A majority of research is paid for my pharma companies through clinical trials and philanthropic funds distributed through grants.

– Previous accountant for the research department of Scripps

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[quote=briansd1][quote=Djshakes]Most of the time I oppose them both. When I have to pick I pick the lesser of two evils.[/quote]

So there you go, Djshakes. The two sides are not the same. One side is better (or lesser evil) than the other, depending on your point of view.[/quote]

Well, each paper clip in the pile is slightly different if you inspect each one. How different? Not enough to give a shite.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=Djshakes]Most of the time I oppose them both. When I have to pick I pick the lesser of two evils.[/quote]

So there you go, Djshakes. The two sides are not the same. One side is better (or lesser evil) than the other, depending on your point of view.[/quote]

Well, each paper clip in the pile is slightly different if you inspect each one. How different? Not enough to give a shite.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=Djshakes]Most of the time I oppose them both. When I have to pick I pick the lesser of two evils.[/quote]

So there you go, Djshakes. The two sides are not the same. One side is better (or lesser evil) than the other, depending on your point of view.[/quote]

Well, each paper clip in the pile is slightly different if you inspect each one. How different? Not enough to give a shite.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=Djshakes]Most of the time I oppose them both. When I have to pick I pick the lesser of two evils.[/quote]

So there you go, Djshakes. The two sides are not the same. One side is better (or lesser evil) than the other, depending on your point of view.[/quote]

Well, each paper clip in the pile is slightly different if you inspect each one. How different? Not enough to give a shite.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=Djshakes]Most of the time I oppose them both. When I have to pick I pick the lesser of two evils.[/quote]

So there you go, Djshakes. The two sides are not the same. One side is better (or lesser evil) than the other, depending on your point of view.[/quote]

Well, each paper clip in the pile is slightly different if you inspect each one. How different? Not enough to give a shite.

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[quote=zk][quote=Brutus]Here’s how to find the problem with California’s budget: Wait until the state goes completely broke, beyond the level where the Gummint can bail Cali out. When the riots begin, the people doing the rioting will be the ones that caused the problem (plus their political pals — who can easily be voted out).

Now that I’ve identified the problem, it’s up to you natives to do something about it such as: jail every rioter with US citizenship and deport everyone without US citizenship. Problem solved!!!!

And by the way, California WILL eventually go broke and I will do my best to encourage Pols NOT to bail California out. Or New York. Or any other state including my own.

When California was a Conservative state it didn’t have these problems much, but now it’s a state full of Bleeding-heart, left-wing lunatics, leftovers from the hippy days who have taken over and are driving the state into the poor house.

Here’s an idea: TAX wealthy Hollywood filmmakers, producers, and actors at 90%!!!! Start with Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Spielberg, Lucas, et al.[/quote]

Allright, Brutus, I’ll give you the same challenge I gave faterikcartman.

What would you do, exactly, Brutus, to fix the budget?

Here’s a little something to get you started:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/budget/

I have a prediction, Brutus. You’ll either ignore this, like faterikcartman did. Or you’ll rant and rave about lefty this and lefty that. But you won’t have any real, constructive ideas.

Prove me wrong, Brutus, if you can.[/quote]

I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.

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[quote=zk][quote=Brutus]Here’s how to find the problem with California’s budget: Wait until the state goes completely broke, beyond the level where the Gummint can bail Cali out. When the riots begin, the people doing the rioting will be the ones that caused the problem (plus their political pals — who can easily be voted out).

Now that I’ve identified the problem, it’s up to you natives to do something about it such as: jail every rioter with US citizenship and deport everyone without US citizenship. Problem solved!!!!

And by the way, California WILL eventually go broke and I will do my best to encourage Pols NOT to bail California out. Or New York. Or any other state including my own.

When California was a Conservative state it didn’t have these problems much, but now it’s a state full of Bleeding-heart, left-wing lunatics, leftovers from the hippy days who have taken over and are driving the state into the poor house.

Here’s an idea: TAX wealthy Hollywood filmmakers, producers, and actors at 90%!!!! Start with Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Spielberg, Lucas, et al.[/quote]

Allright, Brutus, I’ll give you the same challenge I gave faterikcartman.

What would you do, exactly, Brutus, to fix the budget?

Here’s a little something to get you started:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/budget/

I have a prediction, Brutus. You’ll either ignore this, like faterikcartman did. Or you’ll rant and rave about lefty this and lefty that. But you won’t have any real, constructive ideas.

Prove me wrong, Brutus, if you can.[/quote]

I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.

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[quote=zk][quote=Brutus]Here’s how to find the problem with California’s budget: Wait until the state goes completely broke, beyond the level where the Gummint can bail Cali out. When the riots begin, the people doing the rioting will be the ones that caused the problem (plus their political pals — who can easily be voted out).

Now that I’ve identified the problem, it’s up to you natives to do something about it such as: jail every rioter with US citizenship and deport everyone without US citizenship. Problem solved!!!!

And by the way, California WILL eventually go broke and I will do my best to encourage Pols NOT to bail California out. Or New York. Or any other state including my own.

When California was a Conservative state it didn’t have these problems much, but now it’s a state full of Bleeding-heart, left-wing lunatics, leftovers from the hippy days who have taken over and are driving the state into the poor house.

Here’s an idea: TAX wealthy Hollywood filmmakers, producers, and actors at 90%!!!! Start with Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Spielberg, Lucas, et al.[/quote]

Allright, Brutus, I’ll give you the same challenge I gave faterikcartman.

What would you do, exactly, Brutus, to fix the budget?

Here’s a little something to get you started:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/budget/

I have a prediction, Brutus. You’ll either ignore this, like faterikcartman did. Or you’ll rant and rave about lefty this and lefty that. But you won’t have any real, constructive ideas.

Prove me wrong, Brutus, if you can.[/quote]

I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.

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[quote=zk][quote=Brutus]Here’s how to find the problem with California’s budget: Wait until the state goes completely broke, beyond the level where the Gummint can bail Cali out. When the riots begin, the people doing the rioting will be the ones that caused the problem (plus their political pals — who can easily be voted out).

Now that I’ve identified the problem, it’s up to you natives to do something about it such as: jail every rioter with US citizenship and deport everyone without US citizenship. Problem solved!!!!

And by the way, California WILL eventually go broke and I will do my best to encourage Pols NOT to bail California out. Or New York. Or any other state including my own.

When California was a Conservative state it didn’t have these problems much, but now it’s a state full of Bleeding-heart, left-wing lunatics, leftovers from the hippy days who have taken over and are driving the state into the poor house.

Here’s an idea: TAX wealthy Hollywood filmmakers, producers, and actors at 90%!!!! Start with Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Spielberg, Lucas, et al.[/quote]

Allright, Brutus, I’ll give you the same challenge I gave faterikcartman.

What would you do, exactly, Brutus, to fix the budget?

Here’s a little something to get you started:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/budget/

I have a prediction, Brutus. You’ll either ignore this, like faterikcartman did. Or you’ll rant and rave about lefty this and lefty that. But you won’t have any real, constructive ideas.

Prove me wrong, Brutus, if you can.[/quote]

I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.

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[quote=zk][quote=Brutus]Here’s how to find the problem with California’s budget: Wait until the state goes completely broke, beyond the level where the Gummint can bail Cali out. When the riots begin, the people doing the rioting will be the ones that caused the problem (plus their political pals — who can easily be voted out).

Now that I’ve identified the problem, it’s up to you natives to do something about it such as: jail every rioter with US citizenship and deport everyone without US citizenship. Problem solved!!!!

And by the way, California WILL eventually go broke and I will do my best to encourage Pols NOT to bail California out. Or New York. Or any other state including my own.

When California was a Conservative state it didn’t have these problems much, but now it’s a state full of Bleeding-heart, left-wing lunatics, leftovers from the hippy days who have taken over and are driving the state into the poor house.

Here’s an idea: TAX wealthy Hollywood filmmakers, producers, and actors at 90%!!!! Start with Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Spielberg, Lucas, et al.[/quote]

Allright, Brutus, I’ll give you the same challenge I gave faterikcartman.

What would you do, exactly, Brutus, to fix the budget?

Here’s a little something to get you started:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/budget/

I have a prediction, Brutus. You’ll either ignore this, like faterikcartman did. Or you’ll rant and rave about lefty this and lefty that. But you won’t have any real, constructive ideas.

Prove me wrong, Brutus, if you can.[/quote]

I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.

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[quote=flu][quote=zk][quote=Brutus]Here’s how to find the problem with California’s budget: Wait until the state goes completely broke, beyond the level where the Gummint can bail Cali out. When the riots begin, the people doing the rioting will be the ones that caused the problem (plus their political pals — who can easily be voted out).

Now that I’ve identified the problem, it’s up to you natives to do something about it such as: jail every rioter with US citizenship and deport everyone without US citizenship. Problem solved!!!!

And by the way, California WILL eventually go broke and I will do my best to encourage Pols NOT to bail California out. Or New York. Or any other state including my own.

When California was a Conservative state it didn’t have these problems much, but now it’s a state full of Bleeding-heart, left-wing lunatics, leftovers from the hippy days who have taken over and are driving the state into the poor house.

Here’s an idea: TAX wealthy Hollywood filmmakers, producers, and actors at 90%!!!! Start with Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Spielberg, Lucas, et al.[/quote]

Allright, Brutus, I’ll give you the same challenge I gave faterikcartman.

What would you do, exactly, Brutus, to fix the budget?

Here’s a little something to get you started:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/budget/

I have a prediction, Brutus. You’ll either ignore this, like faterikcartman did. Or you’ll rant and rave about lefty this and lefty that. But you won’t have any real, constructive ideas.

Prove me wrong, Brutus, if you can.[/quote]

Hey… I balanced the budget!… Here’s my take..

1. Welfare: Cut in half ($1.05 billion savings)

2. In home services: Cut in half ($600 million savings)

3. Cut funding for Cal state school in half ($1.25billion savings).. especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers.

4. Close 1/2 of community colleges ($2.0billion savings). Especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers/advance degrees of such

5. Cut COPS program by 1/2 ($50 million savings)

6. Cut prison rehab program completely ($250 million savings)

7. Cut state payroll ($1 billion savings)

8. Cut legislature budget ($130 million savings)

9. Add $2 sales tax to cigarettes ($2billion income)

10. Add a 18 cent booze tax ($2.5 billion income)

I ended up with a $234 million surplus.[/quote]

I’m all for the cutting. Not a fan of the taxing. That is how they divide and conquer. Let’s say you have three groups, smokers, drinkers and vegans. Government comes in and says they want votes to tax the smokers because it is unhealthy. Drinkers and vegans, say “Yes, screw the smokers” and vote for the tax. Next the government comes in and wants to tax drinkers because that is also unhealthy. Vegans and smokers say “yes”. Next the government comes in and wants to tax the vegans because they have far too much money from health care cost savings and it needs to be spread around to help the drinkers and smokers. Drinkers and smokers vote “yes” because someone else is now flipping the bill. Now everyone is taxed and it will never go away. Beware of the slippery slop.

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[quote=flu][quote=zk][quote=Brutus]Here’s how to find the problem with California’s budget: Wait until the state goes completely broke, beyond the level where the Gummint can bail Cali out. When the riots begin, the people doing the rioting will be the ones that caused the problem (plus their political pals — who can easily be voted out).

Now that I’ve identified the problem, it’s up to you natives to do something about it such as: jail every rioter with US citizenship and deport everyone without US citizenship. Problem solved!!!!

And by the way, California WILL eventually go broke and I will do my best to encourage Pols NOT to bail California out. Or New York. Or any other state including my own.

When California was a Conservative state it didn’t have these problems much, but now it’s a state full of Bleeding-heart, left-wing lunatics, leftovers from the hippy days who have taken over and are driving the state into the poor house.

Here’s an idea: TAX wealthy Hollywood filmmakers, producers, and actors at 90%!!!! Start with Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Spielberg, Lucas, et al.[/quote]

Allright, Brutus, I’ll give you the same challenge I gave faterikcartman.

What would you do, exactly, Brutus, to fix the budget?

Here’s a little something to get you started:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/budget/

I have a prediction, Brutus. You’ll either ignore this, like faterikcartman did. Or you’ll rant and rave about lefty this and lefty that. But you won’t have any real, constructive ideas.

Prove me wrong, Brutus, if you can.[/quote]

Hey… I balanced the budget!… Here’s my take..

1. Welfare: Cut in half ($1.05 billion savings)

2. In home services: Cut in half ($600 million savings)

3. Cut funding for Cal state school in half ($1.25billion savings).. especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers.

4. Close 1/2 of community colleges ($2.0billion savings). Especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers/advance degrees of such

5. Cut COPS program by 1/2 ($50 million savings)

6. Cut prison rehab program completely ($250 million savings)

7. Cut state payroll ($1 billion savings)

8. Cut legislature budget ($130 million savings)

9. Add $2 sales tax to cigarettes ($2billion income)

10. Add a 18 cent booze tax ($2.5 billion income)

I ended up with a $234 million surplus.[/quote]

I’m all for the cutting. Not a fan of the taxing. That is how they divide and conquer. Let’s say you have three groups, smokers, drinkers and vegans. Government comes in and says they want votes to tax the smokers because it is unhealthy. Drinkers and vegans, say “Yes, screw the smokers” and vote for the tax. Next the government comes in and wants to tax drinkers because that is also unhealthy. Vegans and smokers say “yes”. Next the government comes in and wants to tax the vegans because they have far too much money from health care cost savings and it needs to be spread around to help the drinkers and smokers. Drinkers and smokers vote “yes” because someone else is now flipping the bill. Now everyone is taxed and it will never go away. Beware of the slippery slop.

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[quote=flu][quote=zk][quote=Brutus]Here’s how to find the problem with California’s budget: Wait until the state goes completely broke, beyond the level where the Gummint can bail Cali out. When the riots begin, the people doing the rioting will be the ones that caused the problem (plus their political pals — who can easily be voted out).

Now that I’ve identified the problem, it’s up to you natives to do something about it such as: jail every rioter with US citizenship and deport everyone without US citizenship. Problem solved!!!!

And by the way, California WILL eventually go broke and I will do my best to encourage Pols NOT to bail California out. Or New York. Or any other state including my own.

When California was a Conservative state it didn’t have these problems much, but now it’s a state full of Bleeding-heart, left-wing lunatics, leftovers from the hippy days who have taken over and are driving the state into the poor house.

Here’s an idea: TAX wealthy Hollywood filmmakers, producers, and actors at 90%!!!! Start with Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Spielberg, Lucas, et al.[/quote]

Allright, Brutus, I’ll give you the same challenge I gave faterikcartman.

What would you do, exactly, Brutus, to fix the budget?

Here’s a little something to get you started:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/budget/

I have a prediction, Brutus. You’ll either ignore this, like faterikcartman did. Or you’ll rant and rave about lefty this and lefty that. But you won’t have any real, constructive ideas.

Prove me wrong, Brutus, if you can.[/quote]

Hey… I balanced the budget!… Here’s my take..

1. Welfare: Cut in half ($1.05 billion savings)

2. In home services: Cut in half ($600 million savings)

3. Cut funding for Cal state school in half ($1.25billion savings).. especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers.

4. Close 1/2 of community colleges ($2.0billion savings). Especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers/advance degrees of such

5. Cut COPS program by 1/2 ($50 million savings)

6. Cut prison rehab program completely ($250 million savings)

7. Cut state payroll ($1 billion savings)

8. Cut legislature budget ($130 million savings)

9. Add $2 sales tax to cigarettes ($2billion income)

10. Add a 18 cent booze tax ($2.5 billion income)

I ended up with a $234 million surplus.[/quote]

I’m all for the cutting. Not a fan of the taxing. That is how they divide and conquer. Let’s say you have three groups, smokers, drinkers and vegans. Government comes in and says they want votes to tax the smokers because it is unhealthy. Drinkers and vegans, say “Yes, screw the smokers” and vote for the tax. Next the government comes in and wants to tax drinkers because that is also unhealthy. Vegans and smokers say “yes”. Next the government comes in and wants to tax the vegans because they have far too much money from health care cost savings and it needs to be spread around to help the drinkers and smokers. Drinkers and smokers vote “yes” because someone else is now flipping the bill. Now everyone is taxed and it will never go away. Beware of the slippery slop.

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