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Participant[quote=Rt.66]I stand corrected, that was a WAG, hence the “or whatever” in my statement. I guess they are actually quite well payed and unionized, I was way off.
“I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai?”
Yes I think thats exactly the point of the thread maker.
Personally I’m not picking on any country or manufacturer specifically, just trying to make a case for supporting our own manufacturers.
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Hummer H3 Plugin Hybrid Gets 100 MPG, Kicks Prius Butt!
http://gas2.org/2009/04/21/hummer-h3-plugin-hybrid-gets-100-mpg-kicks-prius-butt/%5B/quote%5DOne observation. In case you didn’t know Japan occupied Korea for about 30 years until 1945. And it was very brutal occupation. People forced to change last names to Japanese sounding ones. Comfort Women. Korean Christians/pastors beaten to death for refusing to bow down at Shintoism ceremony. So older Koreans have no great love for Japan. Younger Koreans are less so but still it’s there. HOWEVER, if you go to Korea Town in LA, you will see far more Japanese brand cars than US or even Korean ones. Do you know why? They buy one that’s of good quality, lasts long but costs reasonably.
Instead of saying ‘let’s support US industries’, we should be ‘demanding good quality products at reasonable price’ that’s ‘competitive’. It’s about competition. One may say well US car makers can’t compete because their union members make too much? Well than that will have to be changed.
I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]I stand corrected, that was a WAG, hence the “or whatever” in my statement. I guess they are actually quite well payed and unionized, I was way off.
“I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai?”
Yes I think thats exactly the point of the thread maker.
Personally I’m not picking on any country or manufacturer specifically, just trying to make a case for supporting our own manufacturers.
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More Hummer fun:
Hummer H3 Plugin Hybrid Gets 100 MPG, Kicks Prius Butt!
http://gas2.org/2009/04/21/hummer-h3-plugin-hybrid-gets-100-mpg-kicks-prius-butt/%5B/quote%5DOne observation. In case you didn’t know Japan occupied Korea for about 30 years until 1945. And it was very brutal occupation. People forced to change last names to Japanese sounding ones. Comfort Women. Korean Christians/pastors beaten to death for refusing to bow down at Shintoism ceremony. So older Koreans have no great love for Japan. Younger Koreans are less so but still it’s there. HOWEVER, if you go to Korea Town in LA, you will see far more Japanese brand cars than US or even Korean ones. Do you know why? They buy one that’s of good quality, lasts long but costs reasonably.
Instead of saying ‘let’s support US industries’, we should be ‘demanding good quality products at reasonable price’ that’s ‘competitive’. It’s about competition. One may say well US car makers can’t compete because their union members make too much? Well than that will have to be changed.
I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]I stand corrected, that was a WAG, hence the “or whatever” in my statement. I guess they are actually quite well payed and unionized, I was way off.
“I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai?”
Yes I think thats exactly the point of the thread maker.
Personally I’m not picking on any country or manufacturer specifically, just trying to make a case for supporting our own manufacturers.
————–
More Hummer fun:
Hummer H3 Plugin Hybrid Gets 100 MPG, Kicks Prius Butt!
http://gas2.org/2009/04/21/hummer-h3-plugin-hybrid-gets-100-mpg-kicks-prius-butt/%5B/quote%5DOne observation. In case you didn’t know Japan occupied Korea for about 30 years until 1945. And it was very brutal occupation. People forced to change last names to Japanese sounding ones. Comfort Women. Korean Christians/pastors beaten to death for refusing to bow down at Shintoism ceremony. So older Koreans have no great love for Japan. Younger Koreans are less so but still it’s there. HOWEVER, if you go to Korea Town in LA, you will see far more Japanese brand cars than US or even Korean ones. Do you know why? They buy one that’s of good quality, lasts long but costs reasonably.
Instead of saying ‘let’s support US industries’, we should be ‘demanding good quality products at reasonable price’ that’s ‘competitive’. It’s about competition. One may say well US car makers can’t compete because their union members make too much? Well than that will have to be changed.
I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]I stand corrected, that was a WAG, hence the “or whatever” in my statement. I guess they are actually quite well payed and unionized, I was way off.
“I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai?”
Yes I think thats exactly the point of the thread maker.
Personally I’m not picking on any country or manufacturer specifically, just trying to make a case for supporting our own manufacturers.
————–
More Hummer fun:
Hummer H3 Plugin Hybrid Gets 100 MPG, Kicks Prius Butt!
http://gas2.org/2009/04/21/hummer-h3-plugin-hybrid-gets-100-mpg-kicks-prius-butt/%5B/quote%5DOne observation. In case you didn’t know Japan occupied Korea for about 30 years until 1945. And it was very brutal occupation. People forced to change last names to Japanese sounding ones. Comfort Women. Korean Christians/pastors beaten to death for refusing to bow down at Shintoism ceremony. So older Koreans have no great love for Japan. Younger Koreans are less so but still it’s there. HOWEVER, if you go to Korea Town in LA, you will see far more Japanese brand cars than US or even Korean ones. Do you know why? They buy one that’s of good quality, lasts long but costs reasonably.
Instead of saying ‘let’s support US industries’, we should be ‘demanding good quality products at reasonable price’ that’s ‘competitive’. It’s about competition. One may say well US car makers can’t compete because their union members make too much? Well than that will have to be changed.
I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]
3) Pay their workers $5 or whatever a day in Korea (where most US hyundais are built).
[/quote]$19,983 – GDP per capital of ROK estimated by World Bank in 2007
Here’s the wiki I got the info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capitaROK Hyundai doesn’t pay $5 a day to build cars. Are you kidding? Just in case you didn’t know, Hyundai doesn’t build cars in little shacks in ROK. They have factories all over the world. Hyundai/Kia is ranked 5 or 6 worldwide in # of cars they sold recently. I think Hyundai outsold Nissan last year.
AND Hyundai Motor has pretty aggressive unions. It’s infamous. They stage strike almost every year.One thing Hyundai Motor doesn’t have to worry about is paying for health care of workers/retirees because it’s paid for by govt. That’s right, ROK govt offers universal healthcare for all citizens AND people of Korean ancestry who are citizens of other country. You pay a monthly fee (adjusted for your income level) to enroll and you are covered.
I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai? Where’s China in your grumbling? Do you know how unfair China’s trade policy is? Like allowing only 10 premiers per year of movies from USA? And how unbalanced the trade is between China and USA?
A little history lesson.
Here’s how ROK’s GDP per capita moved in 57 years.
$976 – 1950
$19,983 – 2007I got $976 from http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_per_cap_in_195-economy-gdp-per-capita-1950
If you really want to level complaint at someone/nation publicly, you should know more about it a bit more…
Final comment.
I will tell you what’s really wrong with US. It’s the lack of focus on education. The only reason ROK went from GDP per capita of $976 in the 1950’s to $19,983 of 2007 is because of education. ROK’s education isn’t without its faults of course. How much focus are we putting on educating our kids?Participant[quote=Rt.66]
3) Pay their workers $5 or whatever a day in Korea (where most US hyundais are built).
[/quote]$19,983 – GDP per capital of ROK estimated by World Bank in 2007
Here’s the wiki I got the info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capitaROK Hyundai doesn’t pay $5 a day to build cars. Are you kidding? Just in case you didn’t know, Hyundai doesn’t build cars in little shacks in ROK. They have factories all over the world. Hyundai/Kia is ranked 5 or 6 worldwide in # of cars they sold recently. I think Hyundai outsold Nissan last year.
AND Hyundai Motor has pretty aggressive unions. It’s infamous. They stage strike almost every year.One thing Hyundai Motor doesn’t have to worry about is paying for health care of workers/retirees because it’s paid for by govt. That’s right, ROK govt offers universal healthcare for all citizens AND people of Korean ancestry who are citizens of other country. You pay a monthly fee (adjusted for your income level) to enroll and you are covered.
I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai? Where’s China in your grumbling? Do you know how unfair China’s trade policy is? Like allowing only 10 premiers per year of movies from USA? And how unbalanced the trade is between China and USA?
A little history lesson.
Here’s how ROK’s GDP per capita moved in 57 years.
$976 – 1950
$19,983 – 2007I got $976 from http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_per_cap_in_195-economy-gdp-per-capita-1950
If you really want to level complaint at someone/nation publicly, you should know more about it a bit more…
Final comment.
I will tell you what’s really wrong with US. It’s the lack of focus on education. The only reason ROK went from GDP per capita of $976 in the 1950’s to $19,983 of 2007 is because of education. ROK’s education isn’t without its faults of course. How much focus are we putting on educating our kids?Participant[quote=Rt.66]
3) Pay their workers $5 or whatever a day in Korea (where most US hyundais are built).
[/quote]$19,983 – GDP per capital of ROK estimated by World Bank in 2007
Here’s the wiki I got the info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capitaROK Hyundai doesn’t pay $5 a day to build cars. Are you kidding? Just in case you didn’t know, Hyundai doesn’t build cars in little shacks in ROK. They have factories all over the world. Hyundai/Kia is ranked 5 or 6 worldwide in # of cars they sold recently. I think Hyundai outsold Nissan last year.
AND Hyundai Motor has pretty aggressive unions. It’s infamous. They stage strike almost every year.One thing Hyundai Motor doesn’t have to worry about is paying for health care of workers/retirees because it’s paid for by govt. That’s right, ROK govt offers universal healthcare for all citizens AND people of Korean ancestry who are citizens of other country. You pay a monthly fee (adjusted for your income level) to enroll and you are covered.
I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai? Where’s China in your grumbling? Do you know how unfair China’s trade policy is? Like allowing only 10 premiers per year of movies from USA? And how unbalanced the trade is between China and USA?
A little history lesson.
Here’s how ROK’s GDP per capita moved in 57 years.
$976 – 1950
$19,983 – 2007I got $976 from http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_per_cap_in_195-economy-gdp-per-capita-1950
If you really want to level complaint at someone/nation publicly, you should know more about it a bit more…
Final comment.
I will tell you what’s really wrong with US. It’s the lack of focus on education. The only reason ROK went from GDP per capita of $976 in the 1950’s to $19,983 of 2007 is because of education. ROK’s education isn’t without its faults of course. How much focus are we putting on educating our kids?Participant[quote=Rt.66]
3) Pay their workers $5 or whatever a day in Korea (where most US hyundais are built).
[/quote]$19,983 – GDP per capital of ROK estimated by World Bank in 2007
Here’s the wiki I got the info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capitaROK Hyundai doesn’t pay $5 a day to build cars. Are you kidding? Just in case you didn’t know, Hyundai doesn’t build cars in little shacks in ROK. They have factories all over the world. Hyundai/Kia is ranked 5 or 6 worldwide in # of cars they sold recently. I think Hyundai outsold Nissan last year.
AND Hyundai Motor has pretty aggressive unions. It’s infamous. They stage strike almost every year.One thing Hyundai Motor doesn’t have to worry about is paying for health care of workers/retirees because it’s paid for by govt. That’s right, ROK govt offers universal healthcare for all citizens AND people of Korean ancestry who are citizens of other country. You pay a monthly fee (adjusted for your income level) to enroll and you are covered.
I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai? Where’s China in your grumbling? Do you know how unfair China’s trade policy is? Like allowing only 10 premiers per year of movies from USA? And how unbalanced the trade is between China and USA?
A little history lesson.
Here’s how ROK’s GDP per capita moved in 57 years.
$976 – 1950
$19,983 – 2007I got $976 from http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_per_cap_in_195-economy-gdp-per-capita-1950
If you really want to level complaint at someone/nation publicly, you should know more about it a bit more…
Final comment.
I will tell you what’s really wrong with US. It’s the lack of focus on education. The only reason ROK went from GDP per capita of $976 in the 1950’s to $19,983 of 2007 is because of education. ROK’s education isn’t without its faults of course. How much focus are we putting on educating our kids?Participant[quote=Rt.66]
3) Pay their workers $5 or whatever a day in Korea (where most US hyundais are built).
[/quote]$19,983 – GDP per capital of ROK estimated by World Bank in 2007
Here’s the wiki I got the info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capitaROK Hyundai doesn’t pay $5 a day to build cars. Are you kidding? Just in case you didn’t know, Hyundai doesn’t build cars in little shacks in ROK. They have factories all over the world. Hyundai/Kia is ranked 5 or 6 worldwide in # of cars they sold recently. I think Hyundai outsold Nissan last year.
AND Hyundai Motor has pretty aggressive unions. It’s infamous. They stage strike almost every year.One thing Hyundai Motor doesn’t have to worry about is paying for health care of workers/retirees because it’s paid for by govt. That’s right, ROK govt offers universal healthcare for all citizens AND people of Korean ancestry who are citizens of other country. You pay a monthly fee (adjusted for your income level) to enroll and you are covered.
I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai? Where’s China in your grumbling? Do you know how unfair China’s trade policy is? Like allowing only 10 premiers per year of movies from USA? And how unbalanced the trade is between China and USA?
A little history lesson.
Here’s how ROK’s GDP per capita moved in 57 years.
$976 – 1950
$19,983 – 2007I got $976 from http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_per_cap_in_195-economy-gdp-per-capita-1950
If you really want to level complaint at someone/nation publicly, you should know more about it a bit more…
Final comment.
I will tell you what’s really wrong with US. It’s the lack of focus on education. The only reason ROK went from GDP per capita of $976 in the 1950’s to $19,983 of 2007 is because of education. ROK’s education isn’t without its faults of course. How much focus are we putting on educating our kids?Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Im personally hoping the Genesis is the next Lexus. Its a good looking ride with all the common luxuries of every other car.
Two last points – I think they messed up by not introducing a totally seperate line/division like nissan, honda and toyota did.
I dont own a one but if I needed a lease I would be all over those for two years to test is out. [/quote]
Apparently it would cost about a billion $ to launch a new brand. Hence the smart decision was not to…
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Im personally hoping the Genesis is the next Lexus. Its a good looking ride with all the common luxuries of every other car.
Two last points – I think they messed up by not introducing a totally seperate line/division like nissan, honda and toyota did.
I dont own a one but if I needed a lease I would be all over those for two years to test is out. [/quote]
Apparently it would cost about a billion $ to launch a new brand. Hence the smart decision was not to…
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Im personally hoping the Genesis is the next Lexus. Its a good looking ride with all the common luxuries of every other car.
Two last points – I think they messed up by not introducing a totally seperate line/division like nissan, honda and toyota did.
I dont own a one but if I needed a lease I would be all over those for two years to test is out. [/quote]
Apparently it would cost about a billion $ to launch a new brand. Hence the smart decision was not to…
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Im personally hoping the Genesis is the next Lexus. Its a good looking ride with all the common luxuries of every other car.
Two last points – I think they messed up by not introducing a totally seperate line/division like nissan, honda and toyota did.
I dont own a one but if I needed a lease I would be all over those for two years to test is out. [/quote]
Apparently it would cost about a billion $ to launch a new brand. Hence the smart decision was not to…
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Im personally hoping the Genesis is the next Lexus. Its a good looking ride with all the common luxuries of every other car.
Two last points – I think they messed up by not introducing a totally seperate line/division like nissan, honda and toyota did.
I dont own a one but if I needed a lease I would be all over those for two years to test is out. [/quote]
Apparently it would cost about a billion $ to launch a new brand. Hence the smart decision was not to…
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