[dbapig]

[quote=flu][quote=dbapig][quote=flu]Sure. It’s a free country. If I don’t like what I hear, I just cry foul. I learned that from you, rt66, and our president 🙂

I’d loan you the money to buy that camaro, except I already gave it to the IRS, who in turn gave it to obama, who in turn already gave it to Fiat.[/quote]

And the situation was forced because GM/Ford Management really really screwed up for a very long time.

I’m sure obama wasn’t happy to do it. don’t ya think?[/quote]

(Previous comment responding to paddyoh)

Yes sir. Otherwise he wouldn’t be seeing a reelection for sure. Unfortunately, with an extreme loopsided government, things are going to pass through, for better or worse.[/quote]

I wonder if obama/democrats are thanking Bush appropriately for messing up so bad. I believe Obama was elected largely because of Bush/cheney.

[dbapig]

[quote=flu][quote=dbapig][quote=flu]Sure. It’s a free country. If I don’t like what I hear, I just cry foul. I learned that from you, rt66, and our president 🙂

I’d loan you the money to buy that camaro, except I already gave it to the IRS, who in turn gave it to obama, who in turn already gave it to Fiat.[/quote]

And the situation was forced because GM/Ford Management really really screwed up for a very long time.

I’m sure obama wasn’t happy to do it. don’t ya think?[/quote]

(Previous comment responding to paddyoh)

Yes sir. Otherwise he wouldn’t be seeing a reelection for sure. Unfortunately, with an extreme loopsided government, things are going to pass through, for better or worse.[/quote]

I wonder if obama/democrats are thanking Bush appropriately for messing up so bad. I believe Obama was elected largely because of Bush/cheney.

[dbapig]

[quote=flu][quote=dbapig][quote=flu]Sure. It’s a free country. If I don’t like what I hear, I just cry foul. I learned that from you, rt66, and our president 🙂

I’d loan you the money to buy that camaro, except I already gave it to the IRS, who in turn gave it to obama, who in turn already gave it to Fiat.[/quote]

And the situation was forced because GM/Ford Management really really screwed up for a very long time.

I’m sure obama wasn’t happy to do it. don’t ya think?[/quote]

(Previous comment responding to paddyoh)

Yes sir. Otherwise he wouldn’t be seeing a reelection for sure. Unfortunately, with an extreme loopsided government, things are going to pass through, for better or worse.[/quote]

I wonder if obama/democrats are thanking Bush appropriately for messing up so bad. I believe Obama was elected largely because of Bush/cheney.

[dbapig]

[quote=flu][quote=dbapig][quote=flu]Sure. It’s a free country. If I don’t like what I hear, I just cry foul. I learned that from you, rt66, and our president 🙂

I’d loan you the money to buy that camaro, except I already gave it to the IRS, who in turn gave it to obama, who in turn already gave it to Fiat.[/quote]

And the situation was forced because GM/Ford Management really really screwed up for a very long time.

I’m sure obama wasn’t happy to do it. don’t ya think?[/quote]

(Previous comment responding to paddyoh)

Yes sir. Otherwise he wouldn’t be seeing a reelection for sure. Unfortunately, with an extreme loopsided government, things are going to pass through, for better or worse.[/quote]

I wonder if obama/democrats are thanking Bush appropriately for messing up so bad. I believe Obama was elected largely because of Bush/cheney.

[dbapig]

[quote=flu][quote=dbapig][quote=flu]Sure. It’s a free country. If I don’t like what I hear, I just cry foul. I learned that from you, rt66, and our president 🙂

I’d loan you the money to buy that camaro, except I already gave it to the IRS, who in turn gave it to obama, who in turn already gave it to Fiat.[/quote]

And the situation was forced because GM/Ford Management really really screwed up for a very long time.

I’m sure obama wasn’t happy to do it. don’t ya think?[/quote]

(Previous comment responding to paddyoh)

Yes sir. Otherwise he wouldn’t be seeing a reelection for sure. Unfortunately, with an extreme loopsided government, things are going to pass through, for better or worse.[/quote]

I wonder if obama/democrats are thanking Bush appropriately for messing up so bad. I believe Obama was elected largely because of Bush/cheney.

[dbapig]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=dbapig]
It’s not just Americans…[/quote]

Point taken. But we are (maybe were) the ones with the money. The ultimate consumers.[/quote]

We still have the money, as long as US $ is the world currency.

[dbapig]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=dbapig]
It’s not just Americans…[/quote]

Point taken. But we are (maybe were) the ones with the money. The ultimate consumers.[/quote]

We still have the money, as long as US $ is the world currency.

[dbapig]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=dbapig]
It’s not just Americans…[/quote]

Point taken. But we are (maybe were) the ones with the money. The ultimate consumers.[/quote]

We still have the money, as long as US $ is the world currency.

[dbapig]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=dbapig]
It’s not just Americans…[/quote]

Point taken. But we are (maybe were) the ones with the money. The ultimate consumers.[/quote]

We still have the money, as long as US $ is the world currency.

[dbapig]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=dbapig]
It’s not just Americans…[/quote]

Point taken. But we are (maybe were) the ones with the money. The ultimate consumers.[/quote]

We still have the money, as long as US $ is the world currency.

[dbapig]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=dbapig]
So I take it that you wanna pick on someone who’s smaller? Toyota/honda are too big to attack?[/quote]

IMO, they are just too firmly entrenched in the American psyche.

I’m just the small cog trying to find something I think is actually doable on a grass-roots level to help out.

I was there when yoda and honda wisely took advantage of our situation back in the 70’s.

I refuse to sit back and watch it happen again with Hyundai, then Kia, etc, and not speak out about it.

And I will not be bullied off my point (not directed at you). I sat back and listened to all the “whose car is better” dialogue – which is all well and good.

But, I stick by my challenge. If you have a better idea – actually doable by “Joe Sixpack” – I’m all ears.

I believe in my cause. I, like probably most peeps here, have better things I could be doing with my time.[/quote]

Here’s my suggestion.

If you are really concerned about the economy, think about this or should I say ‘think about it’.

You might have heard Obama talk about the difference between S Korea and Kenya (and rest of Arica) during recent trip to Africa.

Here’s the speech.
Obama speech:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXHQkTrA9IUUQBC9WHPK3ZMK_ukAD99CBFM80

I know you aren’t going to look it up to read so here’ are some excerpts:
“From South Korea to Singapore, history shows that countries thrive when they invest in their people and in their infrastructure”

“Countries like Kenya had a per capita economy larger than South Korea’s when I was born. They have badly been outpaced.”

Unless you are an economist or historian, you probably wouldn’t know what the actual numbers are. Look it up. It’s eye opening.

———————————-
##GDP per capital 1950
source: http://www.Nationmaster.com
S Korea: $876

Kenya: $947

Yes, Kenya has higher number.

——–
##GDP per capital 2008
source: World Bank 2008 used on Wiki
S Korea: $27,939

Kenya: $1,590
———————————-

In 58 years, Kenya’s hasn’t even doubled. S Korea’s number went up almost ** 31 times **! S. Korea went through 30+ years of pretty brutal colonialism, by Japan, which ended in 1945. The entire peninsula of Korea was pretty much gutted during the Korean war (1950 – 1953). So why such a big difference?

Did US consumers say we are not gonna buy from Kenya but we will buy from S Korea because they use a US actor to promote Korean-made products on TV? Nope.

Do you want to know what the secret is?

Education.

There are many many factors such as corruption etc etc but ultimately it comes down to education. Korean parents are PASSIONATE about educating their kids and S Korean govt tried and largely met the need.

I think your passion would be better served in educating YOUR kids (not being sarcastic here) and demanding from the govt that they provide adequate funding for education. I mean like helping kids do their homework and not do channel surfing and run into TV Ads of Hyundai or any other junk pretending to be entertainment…

imho.

[dbapig]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=dbapig]
So I take it that you wanna pick on someone who’s smaller? Toyota/honda are too big to attack?[/quote]

IMO, they are just too firmly entrenched in the American psyche.

I’m just the small cog trying to find something I think is actually doable on a grass-roots level to help out.

I was there when yoda and honda wisely took advantage of our situation back in the 70’s.

I refuse to sit back and watch it happen again with Hyundai, then Kia, etc, and not speak out about it.

And I will not be bullied off my point (not directed at you). I sat back and listened to all the “whose car is better” dialogue – which is all well and good.

But, I stick by my challenge. If you have a better idea – actually doable by “Joe Sixpack” – I’m all ears.

I believe in my cause. I, like probably most peeps here, have better things I could be doing with my time.[/quote]

Here’s my suggestion.

If you are really concerned about the economy, think about this or should I say ‘think about it’.

You might have heard Obama talk about the difference between S Korea and Kenya (and rest of Arica) during recent trip to Africa.

Here’s the speech.
Obama speech:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXHQkTrA9IUUQBC9WHPK3ZMK_ukAD99CBFM80

I know you aren’t going to look it up to read so here’ are some excerpts:
“From South Korea to Singapore, history shows that countries thrive when they invest in their people and in their infrastructure”

“Countries like Kenya had a per capita economy larger than South Korea’s when I was born. They have badly been outpaced.”

Unless you are an economist or historian, you probably wouldn’t know what the actual numbers are. Look it up. It’s eye opening.

———————————-
##GDP per capital 1950
source: http://www.Nationmaster.com
S Korea: $876

Kenya: $947

Yes, Kenya has higher number.

——–
##GDP per capital 2008
source: World Bank 2008 used on Wiki
S Korea: $27,939

Kenya: $1,590
———————————-

In 58 years, Kenya’s hasn’t even doubled. S Korea’s number went up almost ** 31 times **! S. Korea went through 30+ years of pretty brutal colonialism, by Japan, which ended in 1945. The entire peninsula of Korea was pretty much gutted during the Korean war (1950 – 1953). So why such a big difference?

Did US consumers say we are not gonna buy from Kenya but we will buy from S Korea because they use a US actor to promote Korean-made products on TV? Nope.

Do you want to know what the secret is?

Education.

There are many many factors such as corruption etc etc but ultimately it comes down to education. Korean parents are PASSIONATE about educating their kids and S Korean govt tried and largely met the need.

I think your passion would be better served in educating YOUR kids (not being sarcastic here) and demanding from the govt that they provide adequate funding for education. I mean like helping kids do their homework and not do channel surfing and run into TV Ads of Hyundai or any other junk pretending to be entertainment…

imho.

[dbapig]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=dbapig]
So I take it that you wanna pick on someone who’s smaller? Toyota/honda are too big to attack?[/quote]

IMO, they are just too firmly entrenched in the American psyche.

I’m just the small cog trying to find something I think is actually doable on a grass-roots level to help out.

I was there when yoda and honda wisely took advantage of our situation back in the 70’s.

I refuse to sit back and watch it happen again with Hyundai, then Kia, etc, and not speak out about it.

And I will not be bullied off my point (not directed at you). I sat back and listened to all the “whose car is better” dialogue – which is all well and good.

But, I stick by my challenge. If you have a better idea – actually doable by “Joe Sixpack” – I’m all ears.

I believe in my cause. I, like probably most peeps here, have better things I could be doing with my time.[/quote]

Here’s my suggestion.

If you are really concerned about the economy, think about this or should I say ‘think about it’.

You might have heard Obama talk about the difference between S Korea and Kenya (and rest of Arica) during recent trip to Africa.

Here’s the speech.
Obama speech:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXHQkTrA9IUUQBC9WHPK3ZMK_ukAD99CBFM80

I know you aren’t going to look it up to read so here’ are some excerpts:
“From South Korea to Singapore, history shows that countries thrive when they invest in their people and in their infrastructure”

“Countries like Kenya had a per capita economy larger than South Korea’s when I was born. They have badly been outpaced.”

Unless you are an economist or historian, you probably wouldn’t know what the actual numbers are. Look it up. It’s eye opening.

———————————-
##GDP per capital 1950
source: http://www.Nationmaster.com
S Korea: $876

Kenya: $947

Yes, Kenya has higher number.

——–
##GDP per capital 2008
source: World Bank 2008 used on Wiki
S Korea: $27,939

Kenya: $1,590
———————————-

In 58 years, Kenya’s hasn’t even doubled. S Korea’s number went up almost ** 31 times **! S. Korea went through 30+ years of pretty brutal colonialism, by Japan, which ended in 1945. The entire peninsula of Korea was pretty much gutted during the Korean war (1950 – 1953). So why such a big difference?

Did US consumers say we are not gonna buy from Kenya but we will buy from S Korea because they use a US actor to promote Korean-made products on TV? Nope.

Do you want to know what the secret is?

Education.

There are many many factors such as corruption etc etc but ultimately it comes down to education. Korean parents are PASSIONATE about educating their kids and S Korean govt tried and largely met the need.

I think your passion would be better served in educating YOUR kids (not being sarcastic here) and demanding from the govt that they provide adequate funding for education. I mean like helping kids do their homework and not do channel surfing and run into TV Ads of Hyundai or any other junk pretending to be entertainment…

imho.

[dbapig]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=dbapig]
So I take it that you wanna pick on someone who’s smaller? Toyota/honda are too big to attack?[/quote]

IMO, they are just too firmly entrenched in the American psyche.

I’m just the small cog trying to find something I think is actually doable on a grass-roots level to help out.

I was there when yoda and honda wisely took advantage of our situation back in the 70’s.

I refuse to sit back and watch it happen again with Hyundai, then Kia, etc, and not speak out about it.

And I will not be bullied off my point (not directed at you). I sat back and listened to all the “whose car is better” dialogue – which is all well and good.

But, I stick by my challenge. If you have a better idea – actually doable by “Joe Sixpack” – I’m all ears.

I believe in my cause. I, like probably most peeps here, have better things I could be doing with my time.[/quote]

Here’s my suggestion.

If you are really concerned about the economy, think about this or should I say ‘think about it’.

You might have heard Obama talk about the difference between S Korea and Kenya (and rest of Arica) during recent trip to Africa.

Here’s the speech.
Obama speech:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXHQkTrA9IUUQBC9WHPK3ZMK_ukAD99CBFM80

I know you aren’t going to look it up to read so here’ are some excerpts:
“From South Korea to Singapore, history shows that countries thrive when they invest in their people and in their infrastructure”

“Countries like Kenya had a per capita economy larger than South Korea’s when I was born. They have badly been outpaced.”

Unless you are an economist or historian, you probably wouldn’t know what the actual numbers are. Look it up. It’s eye opening.

———————————-
##GDP per capital 1950
source: http://www.Nationmaster.com
S Korea: $876

Kenya: $947

Yes, Kenya has higher number.

——–
##GDP per capital 2008
source: World Bank 2008 used on Wiki
S Korea: $27,939

Kenya: $1,590
———————————-

In 58 years, Kenya’s hasn’t even doubled. S Korea’s number went up almost ** 31 times **! S. Korea went through 30+ years of pretty brutal colonialism, by Japan, which ended in 1945. The entire peninsula of Korea was pretty much gutted during the Korean war (1950 – 1953). So why such a big difference?

Did US consumers say we are not gonna buy from Kenya but we will buy from S Korea because they use a US actor to promote Korean-made products on TV? Nope.

Do you want to know what the secret is?

Education.

There are many many factors such as corruption etc etc but ultimately it comes down to education. Korean parents are PASSIONATE about educating their kids and S Korean govt tried and largely met the need.

I think your passion would be better served in educating YOUR kids (not being sarcastic here) and demanding from the govt that they provide adequate funding for education. I mean like helping kids do their homework and not do channel surfing and run into TV Ads of Hyundai or any other junk pretending to be entertainment…

imho.

[dbapig]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=dbapig]
So I take it that you wanna pick on someone who’s smaller? Toyota/honda are too big to attack?[/quote]

IMO, they are just too firmly entrenched in the American psyche.

I’m just the small cog trying to find something I think is actually doable on a grass-roots level to help out.

I was there when yoda and honda wisely took advantage of our situation back in the 70’s.

I refuse to sit back and watch it happen again with Hyundai, then Kia, etc, and not speak out about it.

And I will not be bullied off my point (not directed at you). I sat back and listened to all the “whose car is better” dialogue – which is all well and good.

But, I stick by my challenge. If you have a better idea – actually doable by “Joe Sixpack” – I’m all ears.

I believe in my cause. I, like probably most peeps here, have better things I could be doing with my time.[/quote]

Here’s my suggestion.

If you are really concerned about the economy, think about this or should I say ‘think about it’.

You might have heard Obama talk about the difference between S Korea and Kenya (and rest of Arica) during recent trip to Africa.

Here’s the speech.
Obama speech:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXHQkTrA9IUUQBC9WHPK3ZMK_ukAD99CBFM80

I know you aren’t going to look it up to read so here’ are some excerpts:
“From South Korea to Singapore, history shows that countries thrive when they invest in their people and in their infrastructure”

“Countries like Kenya had a per capita economy larger than South Korea’s when I was born. They have badly been outpaced.”

Unless you are an economist or historian, you probably wouldn’t know what the actual numbers are. Look it up. It’s eye opening.

———————————-
##GDP per capital 1950
source: http://www.Nationmaster.com
S Korea: $876

Kenya: $947

Yes, Kenya has higher number.

——–
##GDP per capital 2008
source: World Bank 2008 used on Wiki
S Korea: $27,939

Kenya: $1,590
———————————-

In 58 years, Kenya’s hasn’t even doubled. S Korea’s number went up almost ** 31 times **! S. Korea went through 30+ years of pretty brutal colonialism, by Japan, which ended in 1945. The entire peninsula of Korea was pretty much gutted during the Korean war (1950 – 1953). So why such a big difference?

Did US consumers say we are not gonna buy from Kenya but we will buy from S Korea because they use a US actor to promote Korean-made products on TV? Nope.

Do you want to know what the secret is?

Education.

There are many many factors such as corruption etc etc but ultimately it comes down to education. Korean parents are PASSIONATE about educating their kids and S Korean govt tried and largely met the need.

I think your passion would be better served in educating YOUR kids (not being sarcastic here) and demanding from the govt that they provide adequate funding for education. I mean like helping kids do their homework and not do channel surfing and run into TV Ads of Hyundai or any other junk pretending to be entertainment…

imho.

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