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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Felix: I think what gets lost in all this smoke is the intent of the Founding Fathers and the dynamic, “living document” nature of the Constitution.

One of Clinton’s little acolytes, Lani Guinier, riffed on the “Tyranny of the Majority” criticism in a book carrying the same title and you now catch that same stench emanating from the Left under Obama.

The Founding Fathers were as anti-authority, anti-monarchy, and anti-tax/anti-confiscation as it got. That thread runs through nearly all of the contemporaneous writings, as well as documents such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Am I opposed to radicals and reactionaries? Nope, far from it. What I am opposed to are those individuals that favor confiscatory and redistributive government, under the rubric of a “social” society.

The Left is now reduced to pathetically calling those Americans with the temerity to protest, “racists” and “extremists” and “un-Americans”. You have useful idiots like former President Carter and Keith Olbermann and Joe Klein prevaricating about racism and bigotry, simply because these buffoons (Olbermann), anti-Semites (Carter) and elitists (Klein) are stunned that average Americans are now rousing themselves from their debt-addled stupor and acting.

All of this, however, does not constitute legitimacy of the GOP. They are as complicit as the Left in this fucking mess and their current answers are really no better.

What is needed is a return to core American values, these being self-reliance, self-autonomy, frugality, humility and the civil use of free expression.[/quote]

/Sarcasm On
Useful idiots on the right:
Bush, Glenn, Limbaugh

That about equals out the balance so that now America is not tilted to the right or left.

About self-reliance, self-… That’s all good.

Let’s kill Social Security and Medicare and let everyone plan/pay for their own retirement and health insurance after turning 65. Too bad the old folks will have to worry about getting their private health insurance dropped by the insurance companies just when they need it the most.

Free enterprise = insurance company is free to do what ever it thinks is necessary to earn a buck or two.
/Sarcasm Off

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Felix: I think what gets lost in all this smoke is the intent of the Founding Fathers and the dynamic, “living document” nature of the Constitution.

One of Clinton’s little acolytes, Lani Guinier, riffed on the “Tyranny of the Majority” criticism in a book carrying the same title and you now catch that same stench emanating from the Left under Obama.

The Founding Fathers were as anti-authority, anti-monarchy, and anti-tax/anti-confiscation as it got. That thread runs through nearly all of the contemporaneous writings, as well as documents such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Am I opposed to radicals and reactionaries? Nope, far from it. What I am opposed to are those individuals that favor confiscatory and redistributive government, under the rubric of a “social” society.

The Left is now reduced to pathetically calling those Americans with the temerity to protest, “racists” and “extremists” and “un-Americans”. You have useful idiots like former President Carter and Keith Olbermann and Joe Klein prevaricating about racism and bigotry, simply because these buffoons (Olbermann), anti-Semites (Carter) and elitists (Klein) are stunned that average Americans are now rousing themselves from their debt-addled stupor and acting.

All of this, however, does not constitute legitimacy of the GOP. They are as complicit as the Left in this fucking mess and their current answers are really no better.

What is needed is a return to core American values, these being self-reliance, self-autonomy, frugality, humility and the civil use of free expression.[/quote]

/Sarcasm On
Useful idiots on the right:
Bush, Glenn, Limbaugh

That about equals out the balance so that now America is not tilted to the right or left.

About self-reliance, self-… That’s all good.

Let’s kill Social Security and Medicare and let everyone plan/pay for their own retirement and health insurance after turning 65. Too bad the old folks will have to worry about getting their private health insurance dropped by the insurance companies just when they need it the most.

Free enterprise = insurance company is free to do what ever it thinks is necessary to earn a buck or two.
/Sarcasm Off

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Felix: I think what gets lost in all this smoke is the intent of the Founding Fathers and the dynamic, “living document” nature of the Constitution.

One of Clinton’s little acolytes, Lani Guinier, riffed on the “Tyranny of the Majority” criticism in a book carrying the same title and you now catch that same stench emanating from the Left under Obama.

The Founding Fathers were as anti-authority, anti-monarchy, and anti-tax/anti-confiscation as it got. That thread runs through nearly all of the contemporaneous writings, as well as documents such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Am I opposed to radicals and reactionaries? Nope, far from it. What I am opposed to are those individuals that favor confiscatory and redistributive government, under the rubric of a “social” society.

The Left is now reduced to pathetically calling those Americans with the temerity to protest, “racists” and “extremists” and “un-Americans”. You have useful idiots like former President Carter and Keith Olbermann and Joe Klein prevaricating about racism and bigotry, simply because these buffoons (Olbermann), anti-Semites (Carter) and elitists (Klein) are stunned that average Americans are now rousing themselves from their debt-addled stupor and acting.

All of this, however, does not constitute legitimacy of the GOP. They are as complicit as the Left in this fucking mess and their current answers are really no better.

What is needed is a return to core American values, these being self-reliance, self-autonomy, frugality, humility and the civil use of free expression.[/quote]

/Sarcasm On
Useful idiots on the right:
Bush, Glenn, Limbaugh

That about equals out the balance so that now America is not tilted to the right or left.

About self-reliance, self-… That’s all good.

Let’s kill Social Security and Medicare and let everyone plan/pay for their own retirement and health insurance after turning 65. Too bad the old folks will have to worry about getting their private health insurance dropped by the insurance companies just when they need it the most.

Free enterprise = insurance company is free to do what ever it thinks is necessary to earn a buck or two.
/Sarcasm Off

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Felix: I think what gets lost in all this smoke is the intent of the Founding Fathers and the dynamic, “living document” nature of the Constitution.

One of Clinton’s little acolytes, Lani Guinier, riffed on the “Tyranny of the Majority” criticism in a book carrying the same title and you now catch that same stench emanating from the Left under Obama.

The Founding Fathers were as anti-authority, anti-monarchy, and anti-tax/anti-confiscation as it got. That thread runs through nearly all of the contemporaneous writings, as well as documents such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Am I opposed to radicals and reactionaries? Nope, far from it. What I am opposed to are those individuals that favor confiscatory and redistributive government, under the rubric of a “social” society.

The Left is now reduced to pathetically calling those Americans with the temerity to protest, “racists” and “extremists” and “un-Americans”. You have useful idiots like former President Carter and Keith Olbermann and Joe Klein prevaricating about racism and bigotry, simply because these buffoons (Olbermann), anti-Semites (Carter) and elitists (Klein) are stunned that average Americans are now rousing themselves from their debt-addled stupor and acting.

All of this, however, does not constitute legitimacy of the GOP. They are as complicit as the Left in this fucking mess and their current answers are really no better.

What is needed is a return to core American values, these being self-reliance, self-autonomy, frugality, humility and the civil use of free expression.[/quote]

/Sarcasm On
Useful idiots on the right:
Bush, Glenn, Limbaugh

That about equals out the balance so that now America is not tilted to the right or left.

About self-reliance, self-… That’s all good.

Let’s kill Social Security and Medicare and let everyone plan/pay for their own retirement and health insurance after turning 65. Too bad the old folks will have to worry about getting their private health insurance dropped by the insurance companies just when they need it the most.

Free enterprise = insurance company is free to do what ever it thinks is necessary to earn a buck or two.
/Sarcasm Off

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Felix: I think what gets lost in all this smoke is the intent of the Founding Fathers and the dynamic, “living document” nature of the Constitution.

One of Clinton’s little acolytes, Lani Guinier, riffed on the “Tyranny of the Majority” criticism in a book carrying the same title and you now catch that same stench emanating from the Left under Obama.

The Founding Fathers were as anti-authority, anti-monarchy, and anti-tax/anti-confiscation as it got. That thread runs through nearly all of the contemporaneous writings, as well as documents such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Am I opposed to radicals and reactionaries? Nope, far from it. What I am opposed to are those individuals that favor confiscatory and redistributive government, under the rubric of a “social” society.

The Left is now reduced to pathetically calling those Americans with the temerity to protest, “racists” and “extremists” and “un-Americans”. You have useful idiots like former President Carter and Keith Olbermann and Joe Klein prevaricating about racism and bigotry, simply because these buffoons (Olbermann), anti-Semites (Carter) and elitists (Klein) are stunned that average Americans are now rousing themselves from their debt-addled stupor and acting.

All of this, however, does not constitute legitimacy of the GOP. They are as complicit as the Left in this fucking mess and their current answers are really no better.

What is needed is a return to core American values, these being self-reliance, self-autonomy, frugality, humility and the civil use of free expression.[/quote]

/Sarcasm On
Useful idiots on the right:
Bush, Glenn, Limbaugh

That about equals out the balance so that now America is not tilted to the right or left.

About self-reliance, self-… That’s all good.

Let’s kill Social Security and Medicare and let everyone plan/pay for their own retirement and health insurance after turning 65. Too bad the old folks will have to worry about getting their private health insurance dropped by the insurance companies just when they need it the most.

Free enterprise = insurance company is free to do what ever it thinks is necessary to earn a buck or two.
/Sarcasm Off

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[quote=felix]From what I have seen, you are correct in your assessment of those folks at these events. Many of those interviewed even say they voted for Obama. They are upset because they didn’t expect what he is trying to do.

Even my wife, an independent, who voted for Obama, thought she was voting for something totally different than what we are getting. My in-laws, a surgeon and nurse both voted for Obama but are also very dismayed over what has been happening and up in arms about the drastic changes proposed to health care.
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Claiming some/many/most of the marchers voted for Obama doesn’t mean anything.

Assuming they did vote for Obama and they are unhappy with what the administration is trying to do, well they obviously didn’t do their homework. Reforming healthcare was a pretty prominent goal of Obama campaign.

And the other issues (bailing out banks/Big3) was an issue that he inherited. Only if Bush Administration or his officials did their work right, we wouldn’t have all these bailouts.

And the in-laws (surgeon and nurse), well the health care reform isn’t for the surgeon and nurses in a sense. It’s for the general public. The medical establishment want better return on their investment (who wouldn’t right?), which the general public just cannot support any more. What did they expect out of Obama campaign calling for reform of the health system?

And your wife who’s an independent, so what did she vote for? I’m sure it’s something different from what Bush stood for? In that regard, she got what she wanted imho.

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[quote=felix]From what I have seen, you are correct in your assessment of those folks at these events. Many of those interviewed even say they voted for Obama. They are upset because they didn’t expect what he is trying to do.

Even my wife, an independent, who voted for Obama, thought she was voting for something totally different than what we are getting. My in-laws, a surgeon and nurse both voted for Obama but are also very dismayed over what has been happening and up in arms about the drastic changes proposed to health care.
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Claiming some/many/most of the marchers voted for Obama doesn’t mean anything.

Assuming they did vote for Obama and they are unhappy with what the administration is trying to do, well they obviously didn’t do their homework. Reforming healthcare was a pretty prominent goal of Obama campaign.

And the other issues (bailing out banks/Big3) was an issue that he inherited. Only if Bush Administration or his officials did their work right, we wouldn’t have all these bailouts.

And the in-laws (surgeon and nurse), well the health care reform isn’t for the surgeon and nurses in a sense. It’s for the general public. The medical establishment want better return on their investment (who wouldn’t right?), which the general public just cannot support any more. What did they expect out of Obama campaign calling for reform of the health system?

And your wife who’s an independent, so what did she vote for? I’m sure it’s something different from what Bush stood for? In that regard, she got what she wanted imho.

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[quote=felix]From what I have seen, you are correct in your assessment of those folks at these events. Many of those interviewed even say they voted for Obama. They are upset because they didn’t expect what he is trying to do.

Even my wife, an independent, who voted for Obama, thought she was voting for something totally different than what we are getting. My in-laws, a surgeon and nurse both voted for Obama but are also very dismayed over what has been happening and up in arms about the drastic changes proposed to health care.
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Claiming some/many/most of the marchers voted for Obama doesn’t mean anything.

Assuming they did vote for Obama and they are unhappy with what the administration is trying to do, well they obviously didn’t do their homework. Reforming healthcare was a pretty prominent goal of Obama campaign.

And the other issues (bailing out banks/Big3) was an issue that he inherited. Only if Bush Administration or his officials did their work right, we wouldn’t have all these bailouts.

And the in-laws (surgeon and nurse), well the health care reform isn’t for the surgeon and nurses in a sense. It’s for the general public. The medical establishment want better return on their investment (who wouldn’t right?), which the general public just cannot support any more. What did they expect out of Obama campaign calling for reform of the health system?

And your wife who’s an independent, so what did she vote for? I’m sure it’s something different from what Bush stood for? In that regard, she got what she wanted imho.

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[quote=felix]From what I have seen, you are correct in your assessment of those folks at these events. Many of those interviewed even say they voted for Obama. They are upset because they didn’t expect what he is trying to do.

Even my wife, an independent, who voted for Obama, thought she was voting for something totally different than what we are getting. My in-laws, a surgeon and nurse both voted for Obama but are also very dismayed over what has been happening and up in arms about the drastic changes proposed to health care.
[/quote]

Claiming some/many/most of the marchers voted for Obama doesn’t mean anything.

Assuming they did vote for Obama and they are unhappy with what the administration is trying to do, well they obviously didn’t do their homework. Reforming healthcare was a pretty prominent goal of Obama campaign.

And the other issues (bailing out banks/Big3) was an issue that he inherited. Only if Bush Administration or his officials did their work right, we wouldn’t have all these bailouts.

And the in-laws (surgeon and nurse), well the health care reform isn’t for the surgeon and nurses in a sense. It’s for the general public. The medical establishment want better return on their investment (who wouldn’t right?), which the general public just cannot support any more. What did they expect out of Obama campaign calling for reform of the health system?

And your wife who’s an independent, so what did she vote for? I’m sure it’s something different from what Bush stood for? In that regard, she got what she wanted imho.

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[quote=felix]From what I have seen, you are correct in your assessment of those folks at these events. Many of those interviewed even say they voted for Obama. They are upset because they didn’t expect what he is trying to do.

Even my wife, an independent, who voted for Obama, thought she was voting for something totally different than what we are getting. My in-laws, a surgeon and nurse both voted for Obama but are also very dismayed over what has been happening and up in arms about the drastic changes proposed to health care.
[/quote]

Claiming some/many/most of the marchers voted for Obama doesn’t mean anything.

Assuming they did vote for Obama and they are unhappy with what the administration is trying to do, well they obviously didn’t do their homework. Reforming healthcare was a pretty prominent goal of Obama campaign.

And the other issues (bailing out banks/Big3) was an issue that he inherited. Only if Bush Administration or his officials did their work right, we wouldn’t have all these bailouts.

And the in-laws (surgeon and nurse), well the health care reform isn’t for the surgeon and nurses in a sense. It’s for the general public. The medical establishment want better return on their investment (who wouldn’t right?), which the general public just cannot support any more. What did they expect out of Obama campaign calling for reform of the health system?

And your wife who’s an independent, so what did she vote for? I’m sure it’s something different from what Bush stood for? In that regard, she got what she wanted imho.

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[quote=felix]
Many in the media ignored Obama’s past and his views because of their blind hate of our previous president.[/quote]

I mean, can you really blame the media for running away from our previous president…?

I firmly believe Obama was elected ONLY because of Bush. If Bush didn’t exist, USA wouldn’t have selected a man sharing Arican/Black/African-American heritage as the POTUS. Not for another 2 or 3 decades.

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[quote=felix]
Many in the media ignored Obama’s past and his views because of their blind hate of our previous president.[/quote]

I mean, can you really blame the media for running away from our previous president…?

I firmly believe Obama was elected ONLY because of Bush. If Bush didn’t exist, USA wouldn’t have selected a man sharing Arican/Black/African-American heritage as the POTUS. Not for another 2 or 3 decades.

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[quote=felix]
Many in the media ignored Obama’s past and his views because of their blind hate of our previous president.[/quote]

I mean, can you really blame the media for running away from our previous president…?

I firmly believe Obama was elected ONLY because of Bush. If Bush didn’t exist, USA wouldn’t have selected a man sharing Arican/Black/African-American heritage as the POTUS. Not for another 2 or 3 decades.

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[quote=felix]
Many in the media ignored Obama’s past and his views because of their blind hate of our previous president.[/quote]

I mean, can you really blame the media for running away from our previous president…?

I firmly believe Obama was elected ONLY because of Bush. If Bush didn’t exist, USA wouldn’t have selected a man sharing Arican/Black/African-American heritage as the POTUS. Not for another 2 or 3 decades.

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[quote=felix]
Many in the media ignored Obama’s past and his views because of their blind hate of our previous president.[/quote]

I mean, can you really blame the media for running away from our previous president…?

I firmly believe Obama was elected ONLY because of Bush. If Bush didn’t exist, USA wouldn’t have selected a man sharing Arican/Black/African-American heritage as the POTUS. Not for another 2 or 3 decades.

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