[davelj]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=davelj]
I think you’re including books and supplies for SD State (just to clarify) – here are the numbers for 2010/2011:

http://www.howtogetin.com/colleges/san-diego-state-university/expenses.php

[/quote]

I was looking at the wrong year, for 2011-2012, from the SDSU website, it’s $5,990.

http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/fao/1-Application_Process/COA.html%5B/quote%5D

And then there’s San Diego City College, which is $46/unit plus a $17/semester health care fee. That’s about $1,400/year (for 30 units). I’ve said this before… if money is an issue, and you’re almost automatically admitted to one of the UC-system full-time universities if you do well at the CC level… why not save a few bucks and spend that first two years at San Diego City College (or equivalent)? I think most folks with tight budgets who choose not to do that, do so because they don’t want to have to explain to the Joneses that Muffy’s in Community College – regardless of the sound financial logic involved.

[davelj]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=davelj]
I think you’re including books and supplies for SD State (just to clarify) – here are the numbers for 2010/2011:

http://www.howtogetin.com/colleges/san-diego-state-university/expenses.php

[/quote]

I was looking at the wrong year, for 2011-2012, from the SDSU website, it’s $5,990.

http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/fao/1-Application_Process/COA.html%5B/quote%5D

And then there’s San Diego City College, which is $46/unit plus a $17/semester health care fee. That’s about $1,400/year (for 30 units). I’ve said this before… if money is an issue, and you’re almost automatically admitted to one of the UC-system full-time universities if you do well at the CC level… why not save a few bucks and spend that first two years at San Diego City College (or equivalent)? I think most folks with tight budgets who choose not to do that, do so because they don’t want to have to explain to the Joneses that Muffy’s in Community College – regardless of the sound financial logic involved.

[davelj]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=davelj]
I think you’re including books and supplies for SD State (just to clarify) – here are the numbers for 2010/2011:

http://www.howtogetin.com/colleges/san-diego-state-university/expenses.php

[/quote]

I was looking at the wrong year, for 2011-2012, from the SDSU website, it’s $5,990.

http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/fao/1-Application_Process/COA.html%5B/quote%5D

And then there’s San Diego City College, which is $46/unit plus a $17/semester health care fee. That’s about $1,400/year (for 30 units). I’ve said this before… if money is an issue, and you’re almost automatically admitted to one of the UC-system full-time universities if you do well at the CC level… why not save a few bucks and spend that first two years at San Diego City College (or equivalent)? I think most folks with tight budgets who choose not to do that, do so because they don’t want to have to explain to the Joneses that Muffy’s in Community College – regardless of the sound financial logic involved.

[davelj]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=davelj]
I think you’re including books and supplies for SD State (just to clarify) – here are the numbers for 2010/2011:

http://www.howtogetin.com/colleges/san-diego-state-university/expenses.php

[/quote]

I was looking at the wrong year, for 2011-2012, from the SDSU website, it’s $5,990.

http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/fao/1-Application_Process/COA.html%5B/quote%5D

And then there’s San Diego City College, which is $46/unit plus a $17/semester health care fee. That’s about $1,400/year (for 30 units). I’ve said this before… if money is an issue, and you’re almost automatically admitted to one of the UC-system full-time universities if you do well at the CC level… why not save a few bucks and spend that first two years at San Diego City College (or equivalent)? I think most folks with tight budgets who choose not to do that, do so because they don’t want to have to explain to the Joneses that Muffy’s in Community College – regardless of the sound financial logic involved.

[davelj]

[quote=briansd1]

The period from 1945 to about 1975 was an anomaly.

[snip]

Immigration is more prevalent and global workforce mobility is the new norm. So the “natives” tend to long for a romanticized past.[/quote]

This is really the crux of my point. It is likely that this “romanticized past” (or in my terms, “Halcyon Days”) was the anomaly… not our current situation.

[davelj]

[quote=briansd1]

The period from 1945 to about 1975 was an anomaly.

[snip]

Immigration is more prevalent and global workforce mobility is the new norm. So the “natives” tend to long for a romanticized past.[/quote]

This is really the crux of my point. It is likely that this “romanticized past” (or in my terms, “Halcyon Days”) was the anomaly… not our current situation.

[davelj]

[quote=briansd1]

The period from 1945 to about 1975 was an anomaly.

[snip]

Immigration is more prevalent and global workforce mobility is the new norm. So the “natives” tend to long for a romanticized past.[/quote]

This is really the crux of my point. It is likely that this “romanticized past” (or in my terms, “Halcyon Days”) was the anomaly… not our current situation.

[davelj]

[quote=briansd1]

The period from 1945 to about 1975 was an anomaly.

[snip]

Immigration is more prevalent and global workforce mobility is the new norm. So the “natives” tend to long for a romanticized past.[/quote]

This is really the crux of my point. It is likely that this “romanticized past” (or in my terms, “Halcyon Days”) was the anomaly… not our current situation.

[davelj]

[quote=briansd1]

The period from 1945 to about 1975 was an anomaly.

[snip]

Immigration is more prevalent and global workforce mobility is the new norm. So the “natives” tend to long for a romanticized past.[/quote]

This is really the crux of my point. It is likely that this “romanticized past” (or in my terms, “Halcyon Days”) was the anomaly… not our current situation.

[davelj]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=davelj] In-state tuition at SD State, for example, is $4,200/year (which is quite reasonable). ….And I firmly believe that you get out of a college education what you put into it – the real *learning* that takes place at UCSD ($22,000/year in-state tuition) probably isn’t materially different from that which takes place at SD State. [/quote]

Not that it would likely change your conclusion any, but then numbers are about $6,000 for in-state tuition and fees at SDSU for the current academic year and about $11,500 for UCSD.

SDSU is still a great deal. The UC’s are no longer on the low side of public universities, but still a great deal for the quality of education.[/quote]

I think you’re including books and supplies for SD State (just to clarify) – here are the numbers for 2010/2011:

http://www.howtogetin.com/colleges/san-diego-state-university/expenses.php

You’re right about UCSD – I was reading the wrong column (thanks for pointing that out) – it’s $11,330 for in-state.

http://www.ucsd.edu/current-students/finances/financial-aid/budgeting/undergrad-20102011.html

[davelj]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=davelj] In-state tuition at SD State, for example, is $4,200/year (which is quite reasonable). ….And I firmly believe that you get out of a college education what you put into it – the real *learning* that takes place at UCSD ($22,000/year in-state tuition) probably isn’t materially different from that which takes place at SD State. [/quote]

Not that it would likely change your conclusion any, but then numbers are about $6,000 for in-state tuition and fees at SDSU for the current academic year and about $11,500 for UCSD.

SDSU is still a great deal. The UC’s are no longer on the low side of public universities, but still a great deal for the quality of education.[/quote]

I think you’re including books and supplies for SD State (just to clarify) – here are the numbers for 2010/2011:

http://www.howtogetin.com/colleges/san-diego-state-university/expenses.php

You’re right about UCSD – I was reading the wrong column (thanks for pointing that out) – it’s $11,330 for in-state.

http://www.ucsd.edu/current-students/finances/financial-aid/budgeting/undergrad-20102011.html

[davelj]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=davelj] In-state tuition at SD State, for example, is $4,200/year (which is quite reasonable). ….And I firmly believe that you get out of a college education what you put into it – the real *learning* that takes place at UCSD ($22,000/year in-state tuition) probably isn’t materially different from that which takes place at SD State. [/quote]

Not that it would likely change your conclusion any, but then numbers are about $6,000 for in-state tuition and fees at SDSU for the current academic year and about $11,500 for UCSD.

SDSU is still a great deal. The UC’s are no longer on the low side of public universities, but still a great deal for the quality of education.[/quote]

I think you’re including books and supplies for SD State (just to clarify) – here are the numbers for 2010/2011:

http://www.howtogetin.com/colleges/san-diego-state-university/expenses.php

You’re right about UCSD – I was reading the wrong column (thanks for pointing that out) – it’s $11,330 for in-state.

http://www.ucsd.edu/current-students/finances/financial-aid/budgeting/undergrad-20102011.html

[davelj]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=davelj] In-state tuition at SD State, for example, is $4,200/year (which is quite reasonable). ….And I firmly believe that you get out of a college education what you put into it – the real *learning* that takes place at UCSD ($22,000/year in-state tuition) probably isn’t materially different from that which takes place at SD State. [/quote]

Not that it would likely change your conclusion any, but then numbers are about $6,000 for in-state tuition and fees at SDSU for the current academic year and about $11,500 for UCSD.

SDSU is still a great deal. The UC’s are no longer on the low side of public universities, but still a great deal for the quality of education.[/quote]

I think you’re including books and supplies for SD State (just to clarify) – here are the numbers for 2010/2011:

http://www.howtogetin.com/colleges/san-diego-state-university/expenses.php

You’re right about UCSD – I was reading the wrong column (thanks for pointing that out) – it’s $11,330 for in-state.

http://www.ucsd.edu/current-students/finances/financial-aid/budgeting/undergrad-20102011.html

[davelj]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=davelj] In-state tuition at SD State, for example, is $4,200/year (which is quite reasonable). ….And I firmly believe that you get out of a college education what you put into it – the real *learning* that takes place at UCSD ($22,000/year in-state tuition) probably isn’t materially different from that which takes place at SD State. [/quote]

Not that it would likely change your conclusion any, but then numbers are about $6,000 for in-state tuition and fees at SDSU for the current academic year and about $11,500 for UCSD.

SDSU is still a great deal. The UC’s are no longer on the low side of public universities, but still a great deal for the quality of education.[/quote]

I think you’re including books and supplies for SD State (just to clarify) – here are the numbers for 2010/2011:

http://www.howtogetin.com/colleges/san-diego-state-university/expenses.php

You’re right about UCSD – I was reading the wrong column (thanks for pointing that out) – it’s $11,330 for in-state.

http://www.ucsd.edu/current-students/finances/financial-aid/budgeting/undergrad-20102011.html

[davelj]

[quote=CA renter]When you add in the increased costs in healthcare, childcare, education, etc., people are much worse off today than they were decades ago.
[/quote]

I think that in general, most folks in the US are not “much worse off today than they were decades ago.” I think a LOT of folks are not measurably better off than they were decades ago… but that’s a very different statement.

I think that income inequality, however, has resulted in a lot of people *feeling* that they’re worse off because one’s feeling of well-being is to some extent tied to one’s position in life relative to others, and increasing income inequality exacerbates this issue.

I agree that health care costs are insane – that’s clearly one area in which the majority (that is, the generally healthy) are far worse off from a cost perspective than the minority (that is, the unhealthy, who are net beneficiaries in the system). Child care I have no idea about… but one chooses to have children. As far as I’m concerned, children are a luxury good and should be thought of as such – but you already know my position on this issue. Education – and I think we’re mainly talking about college here – is very expensive at the most competitive schools, but is pretty reasonable at the Community College and State schools. In-state tuition at SD State, for example, is $4,200/year (which is quite reasonable). And I firmly believe that you get out of a college education what you put into it – the real *learning* that takes place at UCSD ($22,000/year in-state tuition) probably isn’t materially different from that which takes place at SD State. The College Competitiveness which permeates many of today’s upwardly mobile parents is largely about… Keeping up with the Joneses… not about true educational attainment.

Having said all that, there’s a contrary view of your perception of our current relative standard of living (today versus the “Halcyon Days” – just to pick a term – of yore). Perhaps… the Halcyon Days (pick your decades) were the exception – and to be celebrated for their exceptionalism – and today is the “norm.” That is, instead of bemoaning how difficult things are today (in your perception) – which is the “norm” – perhaps we should just be happy that the Halcyon Days ever existed at all – that is, perhaps they were the exception, never meant to return again. That’s the glass-is-half-full view of things. It’s kind of like comparing stock returns over different periods. People bemoan the fact that the decades of 15%+ annualized returns aren’t returning… when instead they should be happy with 7% and just be glad that the 15%+ years ever existed at all… it’s all a matter of perspective. And, of course, we all suffer from reference bias, which is that our views of the present are biased by our views from some reference point in the past… which may have NOTHING to do with anything.

Anyhow, just my 2 cents.

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