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(Quote = “sdnativeson”: If you need to bad mouth Bush just do it and try to do it in a relevant manner. /Quote)

(Quote – “sdnativeson”: IMHO it exhibits complete bias, one side of the coin and all that. There is an implied opinion that the Clinton/Gore government is a paragon of governmental leadership and is beyond critcism. /Quote)

Nice…

Typical talk-radio-conservative crap. Slam others for precisely what you’re doing – insist that they’re the ones with the problem as a way to distract attention from your own activities.

Example: The phrase “Leftwing Media Bias” Conservatives seem to believe that any information that runs contrary to their talking points is inherently biased. Well, duh!

I have a saying that many years of engineering work has taught me. “There are glass-half-full people and glass-half-empty people. Some of these people will argue about who’s more correct. The only correct answer to that question is BOTH. Anyone arguing that their tiny part of the big picture is an adequate explanation for the entire picture is almost always already fooled and is trying to convince others to share in their foolishness.”

I don’t suggest that anyone has all the answers, and don’t see where I’ve put words in anyone else’s mouth to that effect. SDN, can you please have the common decently not to put those words in my mouth, or anyone else’s for that matter?

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(Quote = “sdnativeson”: If you need to bad mouth Bush just do it and try to do it in a relevant manner. /Quote)

(Quote – “sdnativeson”: IMHO it exhibits complete bias, one side of the coin and all that. There is an implied opinion that the Clinton/Gore government is a paragon of governmental leadership and is beyond critcism. /Quote)

Nice…

Typical talk-radio-conservative crap. Slam others for precisely what you’re doing – insist that they’re the ones with the problem as a way to distract attention from your own activities.

Example: The phrase “Leftwing Media Bias” Conservatives seem to believe that any information that runs contrary to their talking points is inherently biased. Well, duh!

I have a saying that many years of engineering work has taught me. “There are glass-half-full people and glass-half-empty people. Some of these people will argue about who’s more correct. The only correct answer to that question is BOTH. Anyone arguing that their tiny part of the big picture is an adequate explanation for the entire picture is almost always already fooled and is trying to convince others to share in their foolishness.”

I don’t suggest that anyone has all the answers, and don’t see where I’ve put words in anyone else’s mouth to that effect. SDN, can you please have the common decently not to put those words in my mouth, or anyone else’s for that matter?

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I’d be remiss if I didn’t admit that this thread has popped into my mind more than a couple times over the last couple weeks.

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I’d be remiss if I didn’t admit that this thread has popped into my mind more than a couple times over the last couple weeks.

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I’d be remiss if I didn’t admit that this thread has popped into my mind more than a couple times over the last couple weeks.

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The media is simply a bunch of lazy parrots that repeat whatever they’re taught to say. The people doing the teaching are typically those with enough dough to be able to pay someone to teach the talking heads to say what the rich guy wants them to say. That’s quite a bit like the guy who pays people to stand in front of Home Depot with petitions titled ‘save our schools’ or ‘make taxes more fair’. There’s always someone behind the scenes trying to manipulate the masses through whatever means that are necessary to achieve a desired goal.

It usually isn’t hard to see through the BS and recognize that the wizard is just behind the curtain.

What was the last legitimate news story that was reported by the news that wasn’t based on either a press release or a police report? Seriously! Don’t give them too much power – the real problem is the sheeple that are too fat/dumb/happy to think for themselves, question what they’re being told and then reach out their arm and pull the curtain back.

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The media is simply a bunch of lazy parrots that repeat whatever they’re taught to say. The people doing the teaching are typically those with enough dough to be able to pay someone to teach the talking heads to say what the rich guy wants them to say. That’s quite a bit like the guy who pays people to stand in front of Home Depot with petitions titled ‘save our schools’ or ‘make taxes more fair’. There’s always someone behind the scenes trying to manipulate the masses through whatever means that are necessary to achieve a desired goal.

It usually isn’t hard to see through the BS and recognize that the wizard is just behind the curtain.

What was the last legitimate news story that was reported by the news that wasn’t based on either a press release or a police report? Seriously! Don’t give them too much power – the real problem is the sheeple that are too fat/dumb/happy to think for themselves, question what they’re being told and then reach out their arm and pull the curtain back.

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The media is simply a bunch of lazy parrots that repeat whatever they’re taught to say. The people doing the teaching are typically those with enough dough to be able to pay someone to teach the talking heads to say what the rich guy wants them to say. That’s quite a bit like the guy who pays people to stand in front of Home Depot with petitions titled ‘save our schools’ or ‘make taxes more fair’. There’s always someone behind the scenes trying to manipulate the masses through whatever means that are necessary to achieve a desired goal.

It usually isn’t hard to see through the BS and recognize that the wizard is just behind the curtain.

What was the last legitimate news story that was reported by the news that wasn’t based on either a press release or a police report? Seriously! Don’t give them too much power – the real problem is the sheeple that are too fat/dumb/happy to think for themselves, question what they’re being told and then reach out their arm and pull the curtain back.

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Perhaps we have a difference of opinion. I struggle to believe that the United States Constitution actually matters to a guy who’s clearly motivaed primarily by the opportunity to improve his social standing amongst a handful of oil tycoons.

Look closely at those words and recognize that that’s what’s currently written on the White House toilet paper – as evidenced by the ACTIONS of the Bush administration.

But, ultimately, neither of us will ever change the other’s mind. However, if one American feels compelled to question my competence, patriotism or other intangible quality for no greater reason than I do not agree with them – well, I hope they’re ready to deal with someone who’s ready to stand up for themself.

The conservative’s approach of painting anyone not drinking their koolaid as some kind of defective entity just ain’t got the traction it once had.

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Perhaps we have a difference of opinion. I struggle to believe that the United States Constitution actually matters to a guy who’s clearly motivaed primarily by the opportunity to improve his social standing amongst a handful of oil tycoons.

Look closely at those words and recognize that that’s what’s currently written on the White House toilet paper – as evidenced by the ACTIONS of the Bush administration.

But, ultimately, neither of us will ever change the other’s mind. However, if one American feels compelled to question my competence, patriotism or other intangible quality for no greater reason than I do not agree with them – well, I hope they’re ready to deal with someone who’s ready to stand up for themself.

The conservative’s approach of painting anyone not drinking their koolaid as some kind of defective entity just ain’t got the traction it once had.

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Perhaps we have a difference of opinion. I struggle to believe that the United States Constitution actually matters to a guy who’s clearly motivaed primarily by the opportunity to improve his social standing amongst a handful of oil tycoons.

Look closely at those words and recognize that that’s what’s currently written on the White House toilet paper – as evidenced by the ACTIONS of the Bush administration.

But, ultimately, neither of us will ever change the other’s mind. However, if one American feels compelled to question my competence, patriotism or other intangible quality for no greater reason than I do not agree with them – well, I hope they’re ready to deal with someone who’s ready to stand up for themself.

The conservative’s approach of painting anyone not drinking their koolaid as some kind of defective entity just ain’t got the traction it once had.

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Um, the president can’t propose legislation that he’d like to sign? (with the not-so-subtle armtwist of the implied quid pro quo)

Google news search turns up lots of examples of press conferences of precisely this from early ’01 to mid ’06 – when most of the American public decided that Iraq flavored kool-aid didn’t really taste all that great after all.

Yep, flat wrong.

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Um, the president can’t propose legislation that he’d like to sign? (with the not-so-subtle armtwist of the implied quid pro quo)

Google news search turns up lots of examples of press conferences of precisely this from early ’01 to mid ’06 – when most of the American public decided that Iraq flavored kool-aid didn’t really taste all that great after all.

Yep, flat wrong.

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Um, the president can’t propose legislation that he’d like to sign? (with the not-so-subtle armtwist of the implied quid pro quo)

Google news search turns up lots of examples of press conferences of precisely this from early ’01 to mid ’06 – when most of the American public decided that Iraq flavored kool-aid didn’t really taste all that great after all.

Yep, flat wrong.

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Subprime is a catchword for the media trying to play and spin the bad data coming in.

Be careful about giving the media too much credit for what they are presenting. I have a hard time believing that Bloomberg, MSNBC, etc… are even marginally insulated from the influence of the industry that they report on.

It’s clear that a huge amount of what is seen is nothing more than regurgitated propaganda. Why else would the big boys in the financial services business go public with their ‘opinions’ except to improve their own chances of success?

What I would call true reporting – actually going out and digging up factual information that otherwise isn’t widely known – is fast becoming a lost art. Very few ‘reporters’ actually ever go out in search of anything except the lowest hanging fruit.

On topic – thanks to all for a wonderfully informative thread! 🙂

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